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    UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

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    Like it says, us B6 guys have been behind the curve with tuning solutions for a while now. Revo has been the king of the B6 since the GTRS came out with nearly everyone running it. We have chose to pull ahead with bigger modifications but have been at the mercy of the tuners which havent cared to help us.

    Now we have Unitronics aided by 034 motorsport producing a quality tune for us. So will Revo or someone else step up to the plate and provide something of equal or greater value? And how long will it take? There are some improvements that have been made recently from Eurocode Tuning but are hard to compare due to currently being ran on race gas instead of pump and with a smaller turbo, etc.

    The bar has been set currently at 417whp on 93 octane with only more to come in the next few days with the addition of an aftermarket intake manifold with larger throttle body and an additional 1000rpms. Game on!

    Edit:426whp without the intake mani and bigger throttle body installed and at only 7400rpm with graph still climbing.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    I hope so. I'd hate to waste the ~$700 that file cost me. My ECU will work in another car of the same # with just a dealer visit, correct?
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    no... dude F revo, let it go. They dont care about B6s anymore. The only way it would happen is if Greg got Jake's car to Ecode and the Revo guys were around to tune it

    Like I said in the other thread

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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_20T View Post
    no... dude F revo, let it go. They dont care about B6s anymore. The only way it would happen is if Greg got Jake's car to Ecode and the Revo guys were around to tune it

    Like I said in the other thread

    - Tapp
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    it was at ecode at first
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Clint, what did your Tapp tune run you? I looked into Tapp a long time ago, but he hadn't done anything with a B6 yet.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Yah Im giving Revo a few more months, then I will be selling my ECU
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrd View Post
    I hope so. I'd hate to waste the ~$700 that file cost me. My ECU will work in another car of the same # with just a dealer visit, correct?
    yes, i have an 03 ECU coming to me and I am an 02. just have to get the imobilizer done at the dealer and recoded.

    pretty easy if you know anyone at the dealer they will do it for ya.


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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    May I ask who has that title of 417whp?
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    It sucks that I just sold my spare ECU.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrd View Post
    Clint, what did your Tapp tune run you? I looked into Tapp a long time ago, but he hadn't done anything with a B6 yet.
    Same amount as Uni... I will probably be rolling out to Canada and tuning mine when I get it running right. Tapp is a cool guy, and I like that I can talk to him and he is the one tuning the cars. Lots of times those guys at Revo don't actually do the tuning, so they hear some wrong info and then it gets to us.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteUSPflow View Post
    May I ask who has that title of 417whp?
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256202
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    well its on a 2.0 not 1.8
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteUSPflow View Post
    May I ask who has that title of 417whp?
    Member named 317ssayzarc. Well it is his father's car.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    p.s pm'd ya back.
    I got no PM.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrd View Post
    I got no PM.
    ill send again/
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    well its on a 2.0 not 1.8
    so what?
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    it was at ecode at first
    Charlie you do not want me to go there... It was not for their software

    Btw, you have pm

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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    ill send again/
    Still nothing.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrd View Post
    Still nothing.
    try now... i dont know whats wrong
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    Got it, thanks.
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrd View Post
    Got it, thanks.
    any time mang
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_20T View Post
    so what?

    I was just letting it be known
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    is this only bt software, or do they have a stg 1/2 flash.... for stock turbo guys?
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    I was just letting it be known
    not as important as some people think.

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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Audi View Post
    is this only bt software, or do they have a stg 1/2 flash.... for stock turbo guys?
    Yes they do.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Supreme View Post
    not as important as some people think.
    I say it is, so youre telling me that if I have the same exact mods as his dads car and leave my car 1.8 we will make the same power.

    If thats the case, why bother going 2.0. Other than quicker spool
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    It's not important to the tune. The tune doesn't know the difference.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    I say it is, so youre telling me that if I have the same exact mods as his dads car and leave my car 1.8 we will make the same power.

    If thats the case, why bother going 2.0. Other than quicker spool
    Indeed, why bother?

    The peak power would probably be a hair less, but essentially going from 1.8 to 2.0 is really for spool.

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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    unitronic always ftw

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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrd View Post
    It's not important to the tune. The tune doesn't know the difference.

    Sorry I didnt mean to relate this the tune. I meant powerwise. Sorry Im getting off topic
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    I wasn't sure.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    I say it is, so youre telling me that if I have the same exact mods as his dads car and leave my car 1.8 we will make the same power.

    If thats the case, why bother going 2.0. Other than quicker spool
    I wrote this in the other thread... There were 2 GTIs on Vortex, same mods except the 1.8L had a ported head and the 2.0L did not...

    1.8L made 680whp
    2.0L made 707whp

    this is at a much higher # For the price of the 2L, some people don't believe its worth it. I wanted the 2.0L because I knew I was going to run a BAMFT that needed that small bump in powerband
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    yes, i have an 03 ECU coming to me and I am an 02. just have to get the imobilizer done at the dealer and recoded.

    pretty easy if you know anyone at the dealer they will do it for ya.


    p.s pm'd ya back.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_20T View Post
    I wrote this in the other thread... There were 2 GTIs on Vortex, same mods except the 1.8L had a ported head and the 2.0L did not...

    1.8L made 680whp
    2.0L made 707whp

    this is at a much higher # For the price of the 2L, some people don't believe its worth it. I wanted the 2.0L because I knew I was going to run a BAMFT that needed that small bump in powerband

    okay understood thanks .

    - So can you change the settings in Uni as you can with Revo ?
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    okay understood thanks .

    - So can you change the settings in Uni as you can with Revo ?
    honestly, Revo doesn't really have anything special besides the boost control, but if you ask for it your tuner should be able to give you an extra "low boost" file or something, Doug has it on his ASP setup
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    First off, if REVO were to write a BAT file for 75# injectors, do you think they would give it out for free to current software owners? Probably not.

    I applaud 034s sucess with Jake's fathers car...as it sits right now, the MAIN reason that his car is making the power it is because of MIKE HOOD and for some crazy reason I do not see his name popping up to much in these discussions.

    A lot of things fell into place during the development of Mr. Warburgs car, these all led to the ability of 034 and Uni to create the file they did...let's look at the timeline.

    4-6 months ago, Jake and Mike Hood begin talking about putting together a B6 for Mr Warburg.

    At this time, not many people were running Unitronics on a B6, there were no plans for this car to even be tuned on Uni, actually there was no clear choice for a software solution.

    Mike contacted Eurocode to put together a package for the car, due to some philosophy differences between David and Mike and Jake (plus financial stuff). Mike decided to have 034 build a motor for the car (to stay within budget).

    During the time of this build, 034 became a Uni dealer and also aquired a Land and Sea (Dynomite dyno), this was very huge, because Javad is a well respected tuner and undoubtely he would be able to give PROPER data to Uni to make the file proper.

    A drop in fuel pump solution came out for the B6 during this timeframe and many AZ members began testing the fuel system, found it's strengths, weaknesses and solutions to overcome them.

    Some AZ memebers also installed legacy return fuel systems and they were shown not to make any more power than what was currently available.

    Cars were run with higher boost and each of them produced the same results (110% injector duty cycle with 630cc injectors at 24psi).

    Many VW owners had begun to run camshaft and high flow manifolds, this data shows that the head makes a huge difference in making power on the 20VT.

    At Mikes request, 034 worked primarily on the fueling system on Mr. Warburg's car, Mike and I have had extensive discussions nightly on what upgrading the lines will do for the system and the fact we both know that there will not be a need for a return line until 550AWHP.

    In the end though, through the collective research done by AZ members along with Mike's persistence, 034 was able to take a solid package and create a tune that works...

    Jake is also a huge player, just as much as Mike, since he picked out about 50% of the hardware and Mike picked out the other 50%.

    Some of the things Mike has done for this build go above and beyond what even a friend or brother would have during a project like this.

    Jake helped his dad find a car to purchase in So Cal (they live on the East Coast).

    The car is purchased and is taken to Eurocode.

    Stuff happens and Mike and David decide not to work together on the project.

    Mike was very persistent and found an engine builder (Javad) and also somebody to fab up some of the hardware (Fred Su @ ER).

    Mike personally stores the car, then he delivers it to Fred Su to get hardware fabricated.

    Mike picks up the car (at 10:30PM) and trailers it up to 034 Motorsport (9 hour drive, he had 2 hours of sleep) and gives it to Javad to build the motor, at this time Mike decides he is willing to let Javad have a crack at tuning the car with Uni.

    Jake has the head built by QED and sends it to Mike, to get the head to 034 in Nor*Cal, my beautiful Tracee pickes it up from Mike, and drives it 7 hours to my house, I then in turn, personally drive 2 hours deliver it to Javad at 034.

    The car sits at 034 for quite a long time, as they have a busy schedule and are trying to fit it in...

    034's schedule clears up, Javad finishes the car, breaks the motor in on the dyno and is finally able to create the tune in Uni...

    ...Next weekend, Mike will be driving up to 034, he will pick up the car and head to my house...the car will go to the QM track and Mike will see what 420AWHP will do in a B6 A4.

    History will be made...the true difference lies in the hardware choices Mike and Jake made, you will see the similar numbers with REVO, GIAC and TAPP using this type of fueling architecture on similar hardware.
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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

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    Re: Unitronics new king of the B6, will Revo do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    Your '03 ECU won't work in a '02 car. Fuel maps are completely different in 2002 versus all other B6 A4s.
    Can u elaborate on that, are there any other differences..Called the dealer and said there was a break in vin #'s and he asked that for replacement coil packs...
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    First off, if REVO were to write a BAT file for 75# injectors, do you think they would give it out for free to current software owners? Probably not.
    I dont think anyone was looking for a freebee from Revo but possibly a upgrade fee like going from "chipped" to BT software. The fact is people have been run in circles with is there or isnt there a different file other than the GTRS file that was worth a damn to someone with upgrades beyond the gtrs, then people had problems with the file with a higher rev limiter which was then taken away due to it not being complete or whatever.

    Some have been upgraded for a year now and others for 6+ months or so and it was well known that others were going to be taking the same route but nothing was done and people from Revo knew this due to them being on the forum and talking with people like Chris and Shawn who would have phone calls and email convos with them all the time.

    I dont know the specifics of Mike and 034 or whatever, but fact is, Uni software snuck in and stole the show and the result of it is people are now looking that way and probably not turning back. The B6 is a cheap car to get now so more and more people will own them and more and more people will be modifying them so there is money to be made and I think that Uni may just be getting a nice share of that money because others like Revo havent seemed to care about us anymore. The thing is, its a trickle down effect because not only are people going to possibly buy Unitronics Big Turbo software they are going to by Unitronics "chips" or "big injector files" as well so they can stick with one company and upgrade at a later day if they decide to go extreme.

    The lack of Revo interest is disappointing but hey it isnt my business losing money so whatever. This excludes what Dave from Eurocode just recently did with you using Revo software, but that still currently shows nothing for the bigger turbo more built guys until Charlie or Jordan or someone gets this treatment on a "BAT" car with larger than 630cc injectors.
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    Re: UNITRONICS new king of the B6, will REVO do anything about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    History will be made...the true difference lies in the hardware choices Mike and Jake made, you will see the similar numbers with REVO, GIAC and TAPP using this type of fueling architecture on similar hardware.
    thank you for the timeline Greg, that thankfully will clear up some speculation on what went on that we don't already know about, and people can keep that out of the conversation. (lol)

    remember though that similar numbers do not mean a similar car. the driveability between all these cars and tunes remains to be seen as none of us have driven more than one of them to know for sure. granted, hardware has a small bit to do with that aspect of the car - but it is 90% software dominated on the b6...

    as for being the new king of the b6 - this was inevitable. maybe not with unitronic - but a new "king" was coming no matter how you cut it because it was obvious that the REVO software was no longer working. (or atleast as well as it could have been). in REVO's defense - it's amazing that those tunes worked at all on some of the cars running them... those flashes are meant for turbos with stock exhaust housing flanges, smaller 28 frames, 440/550cc injectors, MAF's, stock cams, stock intake manis, stock heads, etc etc etc.

    point is, these kind of numbers were coming no matter what - and it was just a toss up to whether a software company would have a solid tune for our cars, or whether we'd turn to custom tuning like the rest of the import world.


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