Thoughts on Touaregs?

[RocketSurgeon]

Been looking at these lately....would be getting the V8, or if I get lucky enough to find one in my price range with decent miles the V10 TDI.

Just wondering if you guys have any experience with these cars and what you liked/didn't like about it. thanks

[sakimano]

great looking...solid feel

horrible reliability = deal crusher

[RocketSurgeon]

Can you elaborate on the reliability issues? Thanks

[auggy]

I don't have any actual experience with them, but I've always thought that Touaregs were good looking suvs.

[2007DolphinA4]

Been looking at these lately....would be getting the V8, or if I get lucky enough to find one in my price range with decent miles the V10 TDI.

Just wondering if you guys have any experience with these cars and what you liked/didn't like about it. thanks

Are you looking for new or used?

Overall it's a solid car. For the used ones, you can find really good deals, so I would definately consider it.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a new SUV, I don't think it's worth it. For a little difference in price you can get a better premium SUV.

[ROUGHEDGES]

i had a 04 v6 fully loaded with the air suspension. I LOVED it. It was one of the most solid feeling suvs i have driven. And on the reliability factor, i didnt have one problem in two years. Offroad the thing was a beast with the locking diffs. i had it in water half way up the doors. I really like the treg 2.

[RocketSurgeon]

Are you looking for new or used?

Overall it's a solid car. For the used ones, you can find really good deals, so I would definately consider it.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a new SUV, I don't think it's worth it. For a little difference in price you can get a better premium SUV.

I would be buying a used Touareg, not a T2. And yeah, the prices on them really surprised me

[ThirdStrike]

quoting my friend whom is a master tech at Camelback VW "those things are piles of shit, i hate working on them"

[JetBlue]

I had a V8 Treg and loved it. Never had any problems either.

[pyro]

passes my test

[Daness373]

V10 TDI is sick.

[sakimano]

Can you elaborate on the reliability issues? Thanks

here is what a few hundred owners who were surveyed by Consumer Reports had to say (CR is an independant company - accepts no advertising)

[Jung]

i dont trust how consumer reports tests stuff..

V10 TDI is the sickest... saw one lay down stripes through an intersection for like 150 feet, that thing is pretty damn quick / sweet looking for an SUV

[RocketSurgeon]

Thanks for all the charts Sakimano.

I've been checking out several different Treg forums. Seems the general consensus is to avoid the early '04 models, but be prepared to fix a few other things during the course of ownership no matter what (sounds a lot like the Audis, LOL!).

I'm still interested in the truck, but have 5 months to make a decision. Really comes down to whether I want a car (S4) or an SUV (Treg)

[sakimano]

i dont trust how consumer reports tests stuff..

V10 TDI is the sickest... saw one lay down stripes through an intersection for like 150 feet, that thing is pretty damn quick / sweet looking for an SUV

read the screen again...this isn't a 'test'. This is a survey of all magazine subscribers (myself included). They send you a THOROUGH survey in the mail and you answer a few dozen questions about your cars. That data is compiled and presented to subscribers (myself included) in their publications and webpage.

Consumer Reports is about the only source you CAN trust because the testing, research and 'opinion' is all funded by people like you and I...not by publishing companies who accept millions of dollars in advertising royalties form car companies, and who then turn a blind eye to their weaknesses on review.

but you're probably right...it's 'the sickest' so Consumer Reports and the people who ACTUALLY OWN TOUAREGS must be wrong.

[gaede]

that's one pissed Canadian

Back on topic, i really have no input. I was looking at SUV's and I thought the TB SS was fun, terrible on gas though.

[Jung]

so every day joes who own touaregs answer questions about stuff like the fuel system that they know so much about?
"oh yeah.. fuck that the fuel system is shitty, im giving that a white over black"

you cant deny that a v10 tdi truck is sick... dont be a dick dude

[gaede]

Holy Shit......................

The V10 TDI Touareg can tow 150 TONS.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls23tHPX8mQ

[RocketSurgeon]

that's one pissed Canadian

Back on topic, i really have no input. I was looking at SUV's and I thought the TB SS was fun, terrible on gas though.

Yeah, I think the Trailblazer SS's are cool, too. I wouldn't buy one, though. I've spent too much time in shitty interiors to buy another vehicle with one, haha (and when it comes to Domestics I'm a Ford guy. LOL!)

[MYDWAGON]

read the screen again...this isn't a 'test'. This is a survey of all magazine subscribers (myself included). They send you a THOROUGH survey in the mail and you answer a few dozen questions about your cars. That data is compiled and presented to subscribers (myself included) in their publications and webpage.
.

The only way to get an accurate quality report would be to read through the repair records of every dealership.Consumer Reports is basing their report on those who respond to the survey.People are not going to take the time to respond if they are happy with their vehicle.If Tregs where so bad VW wouldn't still be selling them.Do some research at
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=39

[sakimano]

so every day joes who own touaregs answer questions about stuff like the fuel system that they know so much about?
"oh yeah.. fuck that the fuel system is shitty, im giving that a white over black"

no, but when their car fails in their driveway, and they take it to the dealer for warranty work, and the dealer says 'your fuel line was broken...we fixed it' GUESS WHAT...the owner knows what fucked up. The survey asks you to identify 'PROBLEMS' as in things that needed to be fixed. I know EFF ALL about fixing cars, but I can tell you without looking at a repair history EVERYTHING that has ever gone wrong with any of my cars. You don't need to be a dentist to know you have a toothache. You don't need to be a dentist to know which tooth it is either.

you cant deny that a v10 tdi truck is sick... dont be a dick dude

I never said the vehicle wasn't great (read my first post)

The OP isn't thinking about renting one for a day...he's thinking about owning one for years. If you think your recommendation based on a smokeshow in an intersection carries more weight than the thoughts of hundreds and hundreds of owners, then you and I will agree to disagree.

Calling me a dick? ok...I'm going to let that go...since you're the same 'kid' who says 'SICK!' and 'SWEET!' every other post should tell the OP about your merit as a source of information. Dude where's your car?

[sakimano]

Consumer Reports is basing their report on those who respond to the survey.People are not going to take the time to respond if they are happy with their vehicle

not true...because if it was, the Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura and Subaru reports wouldn't be glowingly positive. I always fill out my survey for every vehicle...and to be honest whether I'm happy or dissatisfied, it doesn't matter. I don't pay $40 a year for the membership only to fuck it up by not being honest.

The only way to get an accurate quality report would be to read through the repair records of every dealership...

That's what the survey does...but rather than have it come from a biased source (dealers who want their cars to sell) the owners of the vehicles reply about *PROBLEMS* in general categories they've had to have the vehicle repaired for. If there are no problems, the vehicle looks good on the survey. Simple.

If Tregs where so bad VW wouldn't still be selling them.

seriously? By this rationale, Ford/GM/Chrysler would have abandoned 90% of their product line. Just look at this thread...most of the people on it aren't familiar with what Consumer Reports is really all about...thus don't have the resource to guide their buying...and thus don't know that Tregs are really this bad. Speaking of another definition of 'not selling' there are a few VW sales reps on Audizine who talk about how they can barely give away the Tregs...they're NOT selling! The other post here in this thread about a VW master technician saying the vehicles are a disaster should help you come around as well.

[Jung]

why so butthurt, batman?

I was just giving my opinions, i'm glad you could give a couple minutes of your day to correct my opinions. I still maintain the fact that they're nice/cool suv's..

nutswing consumer reports much?

[MYDWAGON]

You believing all that Saki.I'm gladd that CR is the high all mighty automotive bible for you.
A high response rate is the key to validity. Employee survey findings can be questioned when fewer than half of the employees respond. So how many people respond to a Consumer Reports survey? "Of over 4 million questionnaires sent this year, the magazine received responses regarding about 480,000 vehicles," according to Detroit News. If most people reported on two cars (because most families have two or more cars), that would put the response rate at a mere 6%. Even assuming one car per family - a highly dubious assumption - we have a taudry 12% response rate.

[sakimano]

yeah, you're right. 480,000 opinions vs your one. Terrible source, that CR.

ATTENTION OP...MYDwagon is giving the GREEN LIGHT! TOUAREG IS RELIABLE! BUY BUY BUY!

You believing all that Saki.I'm gladd that CR is the high all mighty automotive bible for you.
A high response rate is the key to validity. Employee survey findings can be questioned when fewer than half of the employees respond. So how many people respond to a Consumer Reports survey? "Of over 4 million questionnaires sent this year, the magazine received responses regarding about 480,000 vehicles," according to Detroit News. If most people reported on two cars (because most families have two or more cars), that would put the response rate at a mere 6%. Even assuming one car per family - a highly dubious assumption - we have a taudry 12% response rate.

[akasch]

You can ask the VW dealership-the touaregs had horrible reliability. But the Tuoareg 2s have improved greatly. Don't even go for a v6 because the V8 is much better. I have a friend who has the tdi and he loves it. It gets great gas mileage and hauls ass

[nnnick]

we had a fully loaded v8 with air ride and turned in under lemon law. Bad experience. Car before it was a 98 ML320 and we went back to Mercedes, have an 08 ML320 CDI and couldn't be happier. Touareg had potential but didn't work out...

edit: it was a first gen Touareg

[MYDWAGON]

yeah, you're right. 480,000 opinions vs your one. Terrible source, that CR.

ATTENTION OP...MYDwagon is giving the GREEN LIGHT! TOUAREG IS RELIABLE! BUY BUY BUY!

I'm not saying they are the greatest but they aren't as bad as you say.There is a horror story for any model made.I'm saying your source of info is flawed.Out of the 480k that responded where Treg owners.You take that number compared to actual units sold and I think you'll find the number of respondents is very low.Which in return doesn't represent an accurate assessment. It may be to much for you to comprehend.If so I'm sorry

[Kievskiy]

i always hear stuff like this from my mechanics friends, they say that about every car
i would love to get v10 tdi and CHIP IT!

quoting my friend whom is a master tech at Camelback VW "those things are piles of shit, i hate working on them"

[sakimano]

I'm not saying they are the greatest but they aren't as bad as you say.There is a horror story for any model made.I'm saying your source of info is flawed.Out of the 480k that responded where Treg owners.You take that number compared to actual units sold and I think you'll find the number of respondents is very low.Which in return doesn't represent an accurate assessment. It may be to much for you to comprehend.If so I'm sorry

listen...I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING...TOUAREG OWNERS DID

anyway, keep up the good fight, genius. Argue in the face of the 3-4 owners who have replied here citing lemon law returns and all around problematic experiences vs a couple others who said it was ok. I'm just giving the OP info from an objective source on the matter...I don't give a shit about the car personally but don't make it out that I'm ANTI-Touareg...I honestly love the idea of a diesel SUV.

I'm just rebuking your moronic and ill-informed dismissal of Consumer Reports. The funny thing is, Consumer Reports isn't really providing a review here...Touareg owners are! Consumer Reports is just giving them an opportunity to voice their opinion to other Consumer Reports members. The magazine isn't free...only members are surveyed...so how the fuck would you expect ALL Touareg owners to be surveyed?

As for your problem with the 'sample size' of their data...are you fking mad? They won't publish data unless it meets what they would consider a scientific threshold. If you honestly think that hundreds of replies on a vehicle doesn't constitute a fair assessment WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU PROPOSE?

actually strike that...you're just arguing for the sake of it. You have nothing.

[audimeister]

My dad had an '04 that VW proactively replaced with a new '06 when they noticed it had a few too many recurring problems. The '06 has been 100% trouble free.

I helped my gf negotiate $10k off a new '08 on halloween, and that car's even better in 100 small ways.

All of my experience with them has been v6 cars. They're slow, but nice.

All things considered, I'd be looking for a low mile Cayenne if I were in the market for one of these.

[A6.S-line]

I saw the same thing from the fanboys on the Benz forum when I had one: CR, JDPowers, etc etc - if you don't like the message, shoot the messenger. None of them can be the final word, but there's some truth in the objective data.

[Jung]

you did say a lot actually.. quite a LOT of lines over stuff you say you're not arguing over.
lol you must work for CR
i'll keep arguing if you want

listen...I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING...TOUAREG OWNERS DID

anyway, keep up the good fight, genius. Argue in the face of the 3-4 owners who have replied here citing lemon law returns and all around problematic experiences vs a couple others who said it was ok. I'm just giving the OP info from an objective source on the matter...I don't give a shit about the car personally but don't make it out that I'm ANTI-Touareg...I honestly love the idea of a diesel SUV.

I'm just rebuking your moronic and ill-informed dismissal of Consumer Reports. The funny thing is, Consumer Reports isn't really providing a review here...Touareg owners are! Consumer Reports is just giving them an opportunity to voice their opinion to other Consumer Reports members. The magazine isn't free...only members are surveyed...so how the fuck would you expect ALL Touareg owners to be surveyed?

As for your problem with the 'sample size' of their data...are you fking mad? They won't publish data unless it meets what they would consider a scientific threshold. If you honestly think that hundreds of replies on a vehicle doesn't constitute a fair assessment WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU PROPOSE?

actually strike that...you're just arguing for the sake of it. You have nothing.

[MYDWAGON]

you did say a lot actually.. quite a LOT of lines over stuff you say you're not arguing over.
lol you must work for CR
i'll keep arguing if you want

He's from Canada.You'll have to excuse him.He's frustrated they aren't smart enough to come up with their own national vehicle brand.They sit up there in their high chair and pass judgment.

[sakimano]

He's from Canada.You'll have to excuse him.He's frustrated they aren't smart enough to come up with their own national vehicle brand.They sit up there in their high chair and pass judgment.

making fun of Canada? weak.

for a bunch of car loving guys, You really ought to be nicer to the country that you get your oil from. Pillock.

[Jung]

oh i didnt know you yourself were drilling all of our oil and would stop it once we made fun of canada and you got sad... dont ya know ya got to just chill and drink all your molsons der in ontario eh?

hey at least he's not a Newfie

[AudiSport12]

Dude, saki, why are you getting so hurt over it? Who cares? Its all personal opinions, you're not going to change any bodys mind.

Anyway, my mother has an '05 V6. Very solid car, rides great, but the V6 is definatly sluggish. I'd love to own a V8 or TDI model.

[Jung]

i think jeremy clarkson said it best about b7 rs4 owners recently.. it may affect some S owners also

[cerfus]

(^lolzz) A friend had one, its was in the dealer more than my his s-type jag, their very cool looking but unfortunately I hear nothing but bad things about them..

[MYDWAGON]

making fun of Canada? weak.

for a bunch of car loving guys, You really ought to be nicer to the country that you get your oil from. Pillock.

You should be kissing our ass for supporting you.I know if it wasn't for Canada the US wouldn't have any oil.That's pretty thin for a come back.