atp intercooler gains?

[lask8ter134]

what kind of gains can i expect from an atp or awe intercooler upgrade? hp/tq to the wheels/crank? thanks-rob

[lask8ter134]

10-15hp to the wheels would be nice

[redkid's b6]

from what i have read fmic's don't really provide gains. they just provide a cooler engine and stop heat soaking. but I'm not 100% sure

[lnferno]

I gained 17 AWHP from my AWE FMIC. I could feel the difference on the top end. You indirectly gain HP by having a cooler charge on the top end.

[lask8ter134]

"from what i have read fmic's don't really provide gains. they just provide a cooler engine and stop heat soaking. but I'm not 100% sure"

I think you meant cooler air temp and doesn't cooler air temp mean more power lol?

[barkerd427]

Cooler air temp only really means more horsepower if it is cooling the air more than when you didn't have the intercooler. This all depends on how much heat soak you have at any given time. If you dyno a car that has just gotten warm it won't matter too much. But if the car has been run hard and then gets on the dyno that would make a difference. There are also air flow and pressure issues to consider. 17 seems a little high, but I am not saying that it is impossible especially if it is warm where you live.

[EMAXX]

I gained 17 AWHP from my AWE FMIC. I could feel the difference on the top end. You indirectly gain HP by having a cooler charge on the top end.

Do you have the dyno sheets for that run?

I'm not saying that I don't believe you, I just would like to see something like that for myself. Around here in the high elevation, our SMIC really take a beating. I would love to get an AWE FMIC soon.

[lnferno]

I looked and I can't find it, so I did some searching because I know I posted about this in the past and found this thread. So it looks like it was 15HP, not 17. You don't get a FMIC for peak HP Dyno #s though. The increase isn't just peak HP, it's all throughout the top end curve. Plus (and more importantly IMO) it indirectly helps the longevity and reliability by keeping the charge cool.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...9&postcount=16

P.S. I just saw that you're from Denver. I'm from Colo Springs. That's one of the main reasons why I got an FMIC. As you probably are all too familiar with, we are constantly battling the effects of elevation. Because our turbos have to work harder up here as a result of the difference of atmospheric pressure, we get heat soaked bad up at our altitude. That's where we really benefit from a FMIC and that's probably why we *might* see better gains than someone closer to sea-level would see (assuming same ambient temps).

[EMAXX]

I looked and I can't find it, so I did some searching because I know I posted about this in the past and found this thread. So it looks like it was 15HP, not 17. You don't get a FMIC for peak HP Dyno #s though. The increase isn't just peak HP, it's all throughout the top end curve. Plus (and more importantly IMO) it indirectly helps the longevity and reliability by keeping the charge cool.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...9&postcount=16

That I understand. Ultimately, a FMIC is basically a supporting mod that one performs so that other modifications will run more efficiently and also your engine will run a little better.

15 hp is still pretty good, considering the AWE website states gains of 10.2 AWHP, IIRC.

[lnferno]

^^^ I edited my previous post with add'l info -- I saw that you're from Denver...

[EMAXX]

^^^ I edited my previous post with add'l info -- I saw that you're from Denver...

I haven't been around in Denver all too long, but I do understand that our SMIC do take quite a beating in the altitude. Especially with a stage III S4....

Maybe I'll see you around! Are you on the union?

[Quattro]

most intercoolers will give you 5-10hp, GSG's did (+9hp\23tq) I could get a dyno graph if needed.

intercoolers, as some have said, help cool the air and thats always a plus. If you want to see more gain, test it on different fuel, but you will just see the fuel as HP increase.

-randy


forgot to add, 1 person on this forum has purchased the fmic (forgot their sn) so you can ask them first hand how they like it. Search ATP and Performance cafe.

[D0lphinGrey]

bump for more comments on the ATP intercooler.

Thinking of buying this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GARRE...Q5fAccessories

Is it worthwhile getting the 600hp core for a little extra?

Optional 600HP core if you want to cut into the bumper support bar.

Has anyone done this? How much of the bar do you have to cut into?

[ray-ray]

bump for more comments on the ATP intercooler.

Thinking of buying this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GARRE...Q5fAccessories

Is it worthwhile getting the 600hp core for a little extra?

Has anyone done this? How much of the bar do you have to cut into?

just by looks, that kit seems to be smaller than both OEM SMIC's combined, but i could be wrong. I would definitely look into asking that seller what the dimensions are on that core.

the cubic inches on an intercooler core will play into its cooling efficiency. you don't want to go smaller than stock of course. that will most likely lead to less performance and similar heatsoak. you want to go with a core that will profide less heatsoak. Intercoolers such as AWE, GSG,and ER's upgraded SMIC's and FMIC have been proven to work very well and reduce heatsoak while give a small gain.

[wflan]

Read this European Car article.

Basically, the baseline gains were pretty appreciable, but the stock intercooler got severe heatsoak in their runs and the AWE setup only lost 5% of baseline power, a performance 6X better than stock. They said that it helped on the first run, but really shined later...

[D0lphinGrey]

just by looks, that kit seems to be smaller than both OEM SMIC's combined, but i could be wrong. I would definitely look into asking that seller what the dimensions are on that core.

the cubic inches on an intercooler core will play into its cooling efficiency. you don't want to go smaller than stock of course. that will most likely lead to less performance and similar heatsoak. you want to go with a core that will profide less heatsoak. Intercoolers such as AWE, GSG,and ER's upgraded SMIC's and FMIC have been proven to work very well and reduce heatsoak while give a small gain.

This is the reply from the seller.

"18" wide 6.5" tall, 3" thick.
YES, 100% ATP PRODUCT , NOT HYBRID OR ANYONE ELSE.
GENUINE GARRETT PARTS."

How does it compared to the size of say, the racetec fmic?

[RedS-line]

^by total volume, the atp core is too damned small. the volume is smaller than the combined oem smics! i dunno what racetec's is but evo racewerks's smics are 657 ci total v.s. oem 390 ci total. atp is only 351!

[davis449]

As it's been stated in here, the "gains" aren't really true HP gains from an Intercooler. What you get is less "stolen" HP from heat after running hard for extended periods of time. In other words, you all know how your car feels when it's barely warmed up...it runs great. As you drive longer, especially in hot weather, it starts to lose it's top end especially. With a good Intercooler, this is lessened and will feel like "gained" HP. Regardless, it's a VERY worthwhile mod.

[ray-ray]

This is the reply from the seller.

"18" wide 6.5" tall, 3" thick.
YES, 100% ATP PRODUCT , NOT HYBRID OR ANYONE ELSE.
GENUINE GARRETT PARTS."

How does it compared to the size of say, the racetec fmic?

i dont know what the dimensions are on the racetec. its not listed on their website. Ask autobahn exotics i know they are doing a group buy on it.

[D0lphinGrey]

^by total volume, the atp core is too damned small. the volume is smaller than the combined oem smics! i dunno what racetec's is but evo racewerks's smics are 657 ci total v.s. oem 390 ci total. atp is only 351!

I agree the atp's small volume doesn't seem to make sense compared to oem smics but maybe it flows better given its positioned at the front rather than needing ducts to guide the air as stock smics? Just speculating here so don't quote me on it.

Anyway, just contacted racetec, their fmic seem to make more sense with a larger core (although not as large as AWEs).

I believe the dimensions of the core are about 28" from inlet to outlet, by 10" tall x 2" thick

=560!

[ray-ray]

560 cu in is a good size for the a4. i'm sure that the Racetec FMIC will perform well.

[jimrobbington]

It seems that everyone is neglecting the fact that with a FMIC, you can tune your chip more efficiently, thus providing more power that you couldn't get otherwise. You can usually add a little boost as well as increase timing in most cases.

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

The ATP core does make a difference ( About a 20F drop on intake temps ) simply because of its placement compared to stock, however if I would buy a FMIC again I would go AWE.

The AWE core is simply amazing.

I like the Racetec design, but I wanted to keep my crash bar.

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

It seems that everyone is neglecting the fact that with a FMIC, you can tune your chip more efficiently, thus providing more power that you couldn't get otherwise. You can usually add a little boost as well as increase timing in most cases.

^^^ Bingo.

[TonyD]

We're doing a group buy on ER SMIC and it ends friday. If you're interested check out this thread!

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285629