Why not 1000 HP ?

[03 silverbullet]

Just simply put

Why is it that an EVO can be built to 1000 hp and some guys on here with fully built motors are getting only into the 500 ? ( Im not trash talking anyone here with a built motor or anything like that.All i have on my car is a GIAC chip)

Was it the motor design, support for the A4 ?

Until i started having problems with my A4 a few months ago and reading on here how to fix things. I really didn't know much about its ability for performance so thats why i ask the question.

[Papachristou]

evo's have a bigger motor enabling them to run bigger turbos i know... and they are heavier built and i thought i read they can be built to run to 10,000rpm taking full advantage of gt40+ turbos

[03 silverbullet]

I thought the EVo was only a 2 liter.

To get to 1000 they do run bigger turbos but they also replace everything that some guys on here have. rods, pistons, valves, port heads ect.

So is it that the blocks are heavier built ?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Most of the high HP EVO's are either 2.2 or 2.4l strokers ... plus their head flows massive CFM's with work done to them, and they run ridiculous turbo's

[AudiA4_20T]

to make a long story short, Audi people are scared to try anything that, God forbid, would spool later and sacrifice drivability

[Auditude2.0T]

I know that a 2.0T on a GTI with Rods, FMIC, Exhuast, Rods, GT3571R Turbo Kit put down 605WHP a Evo with similar mods need a GT4076R to get that power.

[qirex]

The amount of money it takes to get a car to 1000 horsepower I'd just buy a new car.

[03 silverbullet]

Most of the high HP EVO's are either 2.2 or 2.4l strokers ... plus their head flows massive CFM's with work done to them, and they run ridiculous turbo's

oh ok and you cant stroke the A4 to 2.4 because it would remove to much of the cylinder wall ?

[03 silverbullet]

The amount of money it takes to get a car to 1000 horsepower I'd just buy a new car.

For which car ?

[AudiA4_20T]

oh ok and you cant stroke the A4 to 2.4 because it would remove to much of the cylinder wall ?

the bore size at 83mm is already pushing it. You would need an insane stroke to get 2.4 and the pistons would be popping out of the block

[03 silverbullet]

I know that a 2.0T on a GTI with Rods, FMIC, Exhuast, Rods, GT3571R Turbo Kit put down 605WHP a Evo with similar mods need a GT4076R to get that power.

Wow 605 is alot for car the size of a GTI

[317ssayzarc]

If you want 1000hp, I can build it for you, just don't expect to walking away with much change from your $50k check...

Bigger cams, solid lifters, cnc ported head, super low compression ratio, twinscroll 42R, and a built to shit drivetrain and fuel setup... Oh yea, and don't expect 200wtq until after 5500rpms... Not to mention you need to run around on Q16/C16 everywhere, rev to 10k+ to get that power, and you need your engine to be torn down and checked every 5k miles or so (if that)...

So, do you really want to do this to your Audi? No? Didn't think so... That's why no one else has either, there's no point... 1.8T's have put down over 1000hp, just not in Audi's

[AudiA4_20T]

I know that a 2.0T on a GTI with Rods, FMIC, Exhuast, Rods, GT3571R Turbo Kit put down 605WHP a Evo with similar mods need a GT4076R to get that power.

Your talking about FWHP, Evos make AWHP, which is another 10% drivetrain loss.

And keep in mind, the aftermarket support for these is HUGE.

Evos have a HUGE variety of cams, intake manifolds, etc etc

Also, most of their street FMICs are double the size of our "race FMICs"

[03 silverbullet]

the bore size at 83mm is already pushing it. You would need an insane stroke to get 2.4 and the pistons would be popping out of the block

So with the design of Audi motor then its impossible to go over 2.0

[03 silverbullet]

Your talking about FWHP, Evos make AWHP, which is another 10% drivetrain loss.

And keep in mind, the aftermarket support for these is HUGE.

Evos have a HUGE variety of cams, intake manifolds, etc etc

Also, most of their street FMICs are double the size of our "race FMICs"

Yea i now the support for them is nuts

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^precisely the EVO guys start with heavy 2.0L engines we are pushing our 1.8s to 2.0 maybe even 2.1 but that's about all it'll handle why do u think 2.7 TT out of the S4 make so much power

simply put:

There is no replacement for displacement.

[AudiA4_20T]

So with the design of Audi motor then its impossible to go over 2.0

we can do 2.1, if you buy a TDI block you can do 2.2

[03 silverbullet]

^^precisely the EVO guys start with heavy 2.0L engines we are purchasing our 1.8s to 2.0 maybe even 2.1 but that's about all it'll handle why do u think 2.7 TT out of the S4 make so much power

simply put:

There is no substitute for displacement.

i am not familiar with all the different audi models so i will go look that one up

[317ssayzarc]

^^precisely the EVO guys start with heavy 2.0L engines we are purchasing our 1.8s to 2.0 maybe even 2.1 but that's about all it'll handle why do u think 2.7 TT out of the S4 make so much power

simply put:

There is no substitute for displacement.

Huh?

[03 silverbullet]

we can do 2.1, if you buy a TDI block you can do 2.2

Has anyone done that ?

[AudiA4_20T]

^^precisely the EVO guys start with heavy 2.0L engines we are pushing our 1.8s to 2.0 maybe even 2.1 but that's about all it'll handle why do u think 2.7 TT out of the S4 make so much power

simply put:

There is no substitute for displacement.

there are 1.8L cars that make 1000hp too... it can be done, quite honestly though, Audi people suck

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^ a 2.7TT V6 in the B5 S4 is capable of about 800HP sometimes more but most guys who do that can't drive them everyday because to leave a stop light with that much power is really hard without spinning.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Huh?

sorry i meant pushing

[03 silverbullet]

^^ a 2.7TT V6 in the B5 S4 is capable of about 800HP sometimes more but most guys who do that can't drive them everyday because to leave a stop light with that much power is really hard without spinning.

Yea that would kill daily drive ability

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Has anyone done that ?

costs way too much

and Clint i know like Mike makes 800HP but it isn't drivable for the street someone needs a car like Jet Jockeys to turn one into a track monster

[AudiA4_20T]

Has anyone done that ?

yes, if you guys want to actually see people do cool stuff, you need to go to Vortex 1.8T forum... They actually make power

^^ a 2.7TT V6 in the B5 S4 is capable of about 800HP sometimes more but most guys who do that can't drive them everyday because to leave a stop light with that much power is really hard without spinning.

dude... There are VW 1.8Ts making 700whp+, our motor can make it also

[03 silverbullet]

costs way too much

and Clint i know like Mike makes 800HP but it isn't drivable for the street someone needs a car like Jet Jockeys to turn one into a track monster

I didint see where anyone made 800, thats along way from the stock hp.

[03 silverbullet]

[/QUOTE] dude... There are VW 1.8Ts making 700whp+, our motor can make it also[/QUOTE]

Are they Daily Drivers ?

[317ssayzarc]

Wow Audi guys are so uninformed...

You guys need to go spend a few weeks in the Vortex 1.8T forum, then revisit this subject

[317ssayzarc]

yes, if you guys want to actually see people do cool stuff, you need to go to Vortex 1.8T forum... They actually make power



dude... There are VW 1.8Ts making 700whp+, our motor can make it also

Damn you! You beat me to it!

[317ssayzarc]

dude... There are VW 1.8Ts making 700whp+, our motor can make it also[/QUOTE]

Are they Daily Drivers ?[/QUOTE]

Frankies was semi-daily... Think those 1000hp Evo's are dailys haha?

[GTIBONO]

alot of evos also dont run the stock block.... theres an aftermarket one im not sure the name that is used alot and its just incrediably strong
its in alot of those crazy dyno videos they dont use the stock block

[03 silverbullet]

dude... There are VW 1.8Ts making 700whp+, our motor can make it also

[/QUOTE] Frankies was semi-daily... Think those 1000hp Evo's are dailys haha?[/QUOTE]

There were several in Modified Mag that were driven down to Florida for the 1000 hp shoot out last year.

[03 silverbullet]

alot of evos also dont run the stock block.... theres an aftermarket one im not sure the name that is used alot and its just incrediably strong
its in alot of those crazy dyno videos they dont use the stock block

Oh thats right there is an after market block for them i think Slow boy racing makes them

[317ssayzarc]

Are they Daily Drivers ?

Frankies was semi-daily... Think those 1000hp Evo's are dailys haha?[/QUOTE]

There were several in Modified Mag that were driven down to Florida for the 1000 hp shoot out last year.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't mean that they are daily driven... Shit, if you can afford the earmuffs, tickets, race gas, and engine teardowns go for it. I guess you could daily it haha....

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3945260

That was on a motor just under 2.0

[mike-2ptzero]

It is very simple, without a 11k rpm rev limiter a 2 liter is just not going to make 1000whp.

yes, if you guys want to actually see people do cool stuff, you need to go to Vortex 1.8T forum... They actually make power



dude... There are VW 1.8Ts making 700whp+, our motor can make it also

But once you throw in the extra driveline loss of the quattro that 700fwhp becomes 600awhp.


Nearly 100% of the big hp EVO's are Shop Cars and are strickly used for drag racing or as a dyno queen.

[Papachristou]

kirk, i think you meant there is no replacement for displacement

and like clint said, they have huge aftermarket support, their regular FMICs are 1000 cu in whereas our ER comp is 600 cu in.. and have the ability to be made to 2.2/2.4s

an a4 was never meant to be what some have turned them into.. evos are built for the track from the get go

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^yes i did sorry haha my brain is somewhere else today.

[onceover]

Nearly 100% of the big hp EVO's are Shop Cars and are strickly used for drag racing or as a dyno queen.

I still dont understand why anyone would ever build a car just to run it on the dyno all day long...

[AudiA4_20T]

I still dont understand why anyone would ever build a car just to run it on the dyno all day long...

there are a BUNCH of street driven 500+awhp Evos though