Enjoy it while we can! Worst MPG? (econutz dont look)

[ZachPDX]

Gas is relatively cheap again but many say its gonna be back up right? Might as well enjoy it and let everyone hear what a high rev audi v8 sounds like!
I couldn't drive my car for a week or so because of snow, its been a few days and my last 2 fill ups (yes 2 in 3 days) have been about 160 miles to the tank, whats that like 13mpg? Whats even better is almost half of those have been freeway miles

How many trees have you "trackstars" killed on a tank? any double digit fill ups?

Gotta to the taco bell across town..... they forgot my straw

[RocketSurgeon]

Gas actually shouldn't go back up. It never should of been as high as it was in the first place. Market speculation is what drove prices up, not a lack of supply or too much demand. Keep the damn fear-mongering media in check and you'll keep your buck-fifty gas.

[littleredwagen]

when I was on the track I got 7-8mpg

[91gl]

when I was on the track I got 7-8mpg

thats lame, 8.9 on the street for me

[Hamann]

I got 280 miles when I filled up last night. It took 15.7 gallons.

That's right...17.83 mpg!

My worst is 15 mpg...and, that's when I drive it fairly hard.

[40valve]

When I first bought the S4 I was getting 140-160 miler per tank.
I don' think I ever got passed the 3rd gear. Liked the pull so much haha

[littleredwagen]

thats lame, 8.9 on the street for me

yeah well i ran out of road on the straight, and revved out 3rd and 4th gear

[Audi0s]

my lifetime average since i bought it, about 5000 mi, has been 15.4 My best, straight highway to Atlantic City, was 20.1. Ive averaged 9.2 sitting in traffic.

[sakimano]

I got 280 miles when I filled up last night. It took 15.7 gallons.

That's right...17.83 mpg!

My worst is 15 mpg...and, that's when I drive it fairly hard.

effing FSI. Amazing. jealous!

my mileage is pretty decent (B7 S4)

great tanks up around 22 mpg; normal tanks around 17 mpg; winter hard driving city only tanks around 13 mpg

worst one ever was 11mpg

[Audi0s]

If I got 22mpg, I would be totally content with the crap around town mileage, But barely 20 on all highway drives me nuts!

[Justchill30]

Gas actually shouldn't go back up. It never should of been as high as it was in the first place. Market speculation is what drove prices up, not a lack of supply or too much demand. Keep the damn fear-mongering media in check and you'll keep your buck-fifty gas.

Ill keep this post and repost it in august for ya and you can repost this and we will see. We will absolutely be in the $4 range again, if not higher!
Iran and other oil country's already admitted that these country's on the average require at least $65 a barrel to BREAK EVEN. Dont forget these nations support there citizens and there Gov't with this money. People are already forgetting and they are out buying SUV's and big V8's again, demand will rise and price will also rise....

[cam]

Ill keep this post and repost it in august for ya and you can repost this and we will see. We will absolutely be in the $4 range again, if not higher!
Iran and other oil country's already admitted that these country's on the average require at least $65 a barrel to BREAK EVEN. Dont forget these nations support there citizens and there Gov't with this money. People are already forgetting and they are out buying SUV's and big V8's again, demand will rise and price will also rise....

the global economy will not be able to support a $4 gallon for the next few years, why do you think it went down so quick.

[RocketSurgeon]

Ill keep this post and repost it in august for ya and you can repost this and we will see. We will absolutely be in the $4 range again, if not higher!
Iran and other oil country's already admitted that these country's on the average require at least $65 a barrel to BREAK EVEN. Dont forget these nations support there citizens and there Gov't with this money. People are already forgetting and they are out buying SUV's and big V8's again, demand will rise and price will also rise....

Let's put it this way, prices may go up, but they shouldn't. And I don't mean shouldn't based on what the people want, I mean shouldn't based on how the oil economy works.


When I have more time later I'll do a full write-up on the oil economy for the board. Might actually even be able to find the one I wrote for another forum about a year ago, where I stated that it would be under 50/barrel and 2 bucks/gallon by the start of '09. If you're going to talk about this stuff it helps to actually have a background in it and grown up surrounded by top oil execs. ;)

[poopypants]

My average is around 19.7 mpg. The worst i have ever had was like 5 mpg. Never thought i could go so low! lol

[drew]

keeping it under 70 (which is not easy) on the freeway makes a huge difference. my latest tank, city and freeway combined netted around 260 miles...pretty decent.

[ngng]

Gas actually shouldn't go back up. It never should of been as high as it was in the first place. Market speculation is what drove prices up, not a lack of supply or too much demand. Keep the damn fear-mongering media in check and you'll keep your buck-fifty gas.

shouldn't go back up? compared to the rest of the world, $5/gal is CHEAP

[sakimano]

If I got 22mpg, I would be totally content with the crap around town mileage, But barely 20 on all highway drives me nuts!

my car's a few years newer. give me time...

[sakimano]

re: the price of oil and gasoline, we're about to see $1/gallon gasoline. Give it 9-12 months. Oil got way out of hand on the way up, and has come down just about as aggressively. The price in the wholesale market is $1.11/gallon right now. Pricing of gasoline doesn't immediately reflect the oil commodity market, so we've still got a ways to fall to reflect the 70% drop in the oil price. The CEO of Chevron (I think) actually thinks gasoline for Americans will be under $1/gallon next year.

If you look historically at major oil market bears, the price has retreated to about 1/4 of its peak in the bullrun. Our peak here was $147 in July, and we're just about at 1/4 of that (last week). Oil is rallying right now, but should re-test its lows in all likelihood.

Further historical analysis shows that the price tends to settle out rangebound for a while after a collapse, so don't expect a quick run back to 4, or even 3 dollars a gallon. Our massive economic slowdown should support that trend this time round.

Ill keep this post and repost it in august for ya and you can repost this and we will see. We will absolutely be in the $4 range again, if not higher!
Iran and other oil country's already admitted that these country's on the average require at least $65 a barrel to BREAK EVEN. Dont forget these nations support there citizens and there Gov't with this money. People are already forgetting and they are out buying SUV's and big V8's again, demand will rise and price will also rise....

[bsrpilot44]

When I was @ the ROVAL aka CA Motor Speedway aka Auto Club Speedway lol with Speed Ventures I went through a little over a 1/4 tank of gas every 20 minutes......compute that LOL


-B

[GTIBONO]

where did you find the facts to state that Iran and those countries need 65$ a barrel to support there economy, offshore drilling is only feesable in a 50$ or higher barrel to break even and less than 15$ a barrel for normal drilling, so they are just bullshitting everyone

[sakimano]

where did you find the facts to state that Iran and those countries need 65$ a barrel to support there economy, offshore drilling is only feesable in a 50$ or higher barrel to break even and less than 15$ a barrel for normal drilling, so they are just bullshitting everyone

those facts are pretty well known (those are forward looking...2008-2009 is in the single digit price for them to be profitable)

it's also incorporating tons of new development costs, but to be honest, no true commodity player really takes those things at face value

further, even IF Iran needed $65 oil to be profitable, the price of the commodity is not up to them...it's up to the open market. OPEC cut production by 2 million barrels per day in December in an attempt to support, and ultimately drive up the price. Oil fell from $45 the day they announced it to mid $30s 2 weeks later. No control.

market > OPEC control

I'll dig up something showing the purported 'break even' levels for oil producers

anyway, you Americans just better be nice to Canada...!

[91gl]

yeah well i ran out of road on the straight, and revved out 3rd and 4th gear

when i rev out any gear all i see is a nice big red 5 MPG lol.

oh btw, loving the look of your car

[littleredwagen]

when i rev out any gear all i see is a nice big red 5 MPG lol.

oh btw, loving the look of your car

thanks, that was an average not real time

[GTIBONO]

ty for the awesome clarification

[SebringSilver]

All this talk has me thinking I should get a TT-S for a daily driver.

[2001A6]

Dang, theres some pretty bad #s. I can put a pathetic # for ya, 13.8 mpgs from a 2.8! Haha, beat that one... JK
we have a touareg with a 4.2 in it, gets about 13 towing our boat, 16 driving around, 18-20 on an easy hwy trip! If I drive it hard, worst Ive seen was 8.4. And on instantaneous, it shows 3.6mpg WOT, lol.
And amen on letting everyone hear the Audi V8 roar, our treg has a pretty nice rumble, specialy for stock. It gives me a smile when people say stuff like "a VW with a V8?????" Id love to have that motor in an A6 or a S4, its incredible!

[SebringSilver]

Ha! You guys don't want to know what a 6.2 litre AMG V8 gets.

[sakimano]

Ha! You guys don't want to know what a 6.2 litre AMG V8 gets.

...with 6.3 written on the side.

anyway, yes we do...tell!

[2001A6]

do tell...

[SebringSilver]

I'm averaging about 10.38 miles to the (US) gallon.



Mind you, my S4 isn't a whole lot better!

[RocketSurgeon]

shouldn't go back up? compared to the rest of the world, $5/gal is CHEAP

That is due to taxes, not because it should actually be that high. Sakimono knows his shit. Haven't run into many other people online who do.

[91gl]

thanks, that was an average not real time

oh ok, i thought you were seeing 8-9. 8.9 though is my average. ever since i went back to stock exhaust, my average is down 4 mpg. revo also loves to dump fuel in low rpm driving so around the city im getting piss poor mileage and thats what is bringing my average down.

[Hamann]

That is due to taxes, not because it should actually be that high. Sakimono knows his shit. Haven't run into many other people online who do.

To say "gas prices shouldn't go up" is ridiculous. Demand will continue to grow, and there is only so much supply. Granted, a lot of factors made gasoline go to over $4.00 a gallon...but, it doesn't mean it won't get there again...and, that it shouldn't get there again. Hubbert's peak has value to it...and we're severely underestimating India and China whose demand grow roughly 7% a year.

I think it's recouping a little...the curve went way up, and now it's overcompensating...really believe $2.00 a gallon is a pretty reasonable price...and fair based on today's supply and demand.

thoughts?

[Audi05s4]

really depends on how the car is driven when i drive mine hard i see 12 mpg but when i relax and blend in with traffic i can get fro anywhere to 19 to 22 mpg

[sakimano]

To say "gas prices shouldn't go up" is ridiculous. Demand will continue to grow, and there is only so much supply. Granted, a lot of factors made gasoline go to over $4.00 a gallon...but, it doesn't mean it won't get there again...and, that it shouldn't get there again. Hubbert's peak has value to it...and we're severely underestimating India and China whose demand grow roughly 7% a year.

I think it's recouping a little...the curve went way up, and now it's overcompensating...really believe $2.00 a gallon is a pretty reasonable price...and fair based on today's supply and demand.

thoughts?

my thought is that it's far from ridiculous. I think we'll spend more time around $1.50 a gallon than we will at $2, $3 or $4 over the next 5 years.

Oil was priced for perfection over the past 36 months...similar to the way tech company shares were priced for perfection in 1999. By this I mean the stocks were trading at levels that relied on AWESOME economic growth, amazing business plan execution and an all around perfect scenario. The stock market prices 'the future' in to a share price TODAY...unfortunately much of that 'future' never materialized for those tech companies...and thus their share prices fell precipitously.

Same thing with oil...the market prices in all available news and future speculation TODAY. Unfortunately, the oil market priced in perfection over the past 3 years...assumed massive Asian growth for the next decade, continued western economic strength, and an all around continued path of oil hungry global economics.

That has all changed. While Asia still grows at a breakneck pace (compared to us) the double digit Indo-China GDP growth that was assumed is grinding to a halt. The market recognized that under the new economic reality, oil should be comfortably back to where it was before this insanity/speculation that Indo-China would grow GDP at 12-15% for the next decade. Without this growth, oil shouldn't be in the $100s...and thus refined gasoline shouldn't and won't be in the $3, $4 or $5 range.

Oil should be (and is) in the $30-50 range for a while...and that means $1.50/gallon gasoline for you lucky pricks in the States!

Here's what some of the rest of the world deals with as of this week (in USD/gallon)...

USA - $1.57
Canada - $2.40
Japan - $5.19
United Kingdom - $5.21
Germany - $5.76
Brazil - $6.02

[whartung]

I'll dig up something showing the purported 'break even' levels for oil producers

anyway, you Americans just better be nice to Canada...!

we are so nice to canada. 100% of our oil gets shipped straight to you guys (And then you refine it for us and ship all of it straight back )
AND, if i recall from my research a few weeks ago, Canada is our number one supplier of oil, EH?

When I have more time later I'll do a full write-up on the oil economy for the board. Might actually even be able to find the one I wrote for another forum about a year ago, where I stated that it would be under 50/barrel and 2 bucks/gallon by the start of '09. If you're going to talk about this stuff it helps to actually have a background in it and grown up surrounded by top oil execs. ;)

I'm sorry. That sounds like an awfully tedious way to have grown up.

[Hamann]

USA - $1.57
Canada - $2.40
Japan - $5.19
United Kingdom - $5.21
Germany - $5.76
Brazil - $6.02

dont forget turkey..which is $12.00, and venezuela, which is $.12

[05s4]

I average about 230-270 miles per fill up. About 15.5 gallons. My best was 21.9 mpg. (315 miles ).

[nimski62]

re: the price of oil and gasoline, we're about to see $1/gallon gasoline. Give it 9-12 months. Oil got way out of hand on the way up, and has come down just about as aggressively. The price in the wholesale market is $1.11/gallon right now. Pricing of gasoline doesn't immediately reflect the oil commodity market, so we've still got a ways to fall to reflect the 70% drop in the oil price. The CEO of Chevron (I think) actually thinks gasoline for Americans will be under $1/gallon next year.

If you look historically at major oil market bears, the price has retreated to about 1/4 of its peak in the bullrun. Our peak here was $147 in July, and we're just about at 1/4 of that (last week). Oil is rallying right now, but should re-test its lows in all likelihood.

Further historical analysis shows that the price tends to settle out rangebound for a while after a collapse, so don't expect a quick run back to 4, or even 3 dollars a gallon. Our massive economic slowdown should support that trend this time round.

Then why did the barrel go back over 50, and gas prices went up about 40c around here?

[Hamann]

Then why did the barrel go back over 50, and gas prices went up about 40c around here?

we won't see $1.00 gas. Oil is up 30% in the last 10 days...$47.00 a barrel. For $1.00 gas, we'd need sustained $20 a barrel oil.

When that happens, I'll sell my RS4 for $1.00.