Quattro Vs. Fwd

[08 B7]

does anyone know the track speed 1/4 on bone stock fwd vs. quattro?? how much of advantage is the quattro?

[Grishbok]

Google Toolbar my man.

Quattro has massive advantage in racing that you know... actually requires a car to turn.

AWD suffer typically from a 30-35% drive train loss, and therein do not make the best stock straight line quarter mile racers. If there is a turn on the track, quattro is absolutely phenomenal.

[B7A4Sport]

Google Toolbar my man.

Quattro has massive advantage in racing that you know... actually requires a car to turn.

AWD suffer typically from a 30-35% drive train loss, and therein do not make the best stock straight line quarter mile racers. If there is a turn on the track, quattro is absolutely phenomenal.

x2

Straights, advantage FWD.

Twisties, game/set/match Quattro.

With a chip, a brake kit and a new suspension, on twisties I bet Quattros could keep up with cars that are otherwise out of its league from an overall performance perspective.

(fixed Wx, lol, but yea the stock brakes are pretty decent)

[AudiWxGuy]

Stock brakes are fine

[Zebman]

It's actually reasonably close. Quattro has no wheelspin (at least not at stock levels), so it's gone on the green light, whereas FWD has to hook first. Despite that, FWD is still faster, and only a tad behind Quattro in the twisties.

I'm hoping to get a STaSIS 40/60 differential for my Quattro down the line; then the magic will really happen. Nothing I can do about the engine being in front of the axles though.

[Grishbok]

Stock brakes are fine

true, but stock brake PADS get shredded after a few road passes.

[rpmfoundation]

quattro - FTW i drove without chains to yosemite yesterday all thanks to it :D

[Papachristou]

relative to how much power you have as well. a stocker FWD and stocker AWD, the frontrash will win if you are running 300+hp, quattro sure makes the launch easy...

the stasis diff helps the car stay more planted in the launch and easier to power out of turns but other than that no real help for racing, but i do enjoy it from time to time

[Zebman]

the stasis diff helps the car stay more planted in the launch and easier to power out of turns but other than that no real help for racing, but i do enjoy it from time to time

Sure it's helpful, just not for drag racing. Drag's not that much fun though, is it?

[Papachristou]

Sure it's helpful, just not for drag racing. Drag's not that much fun though, is it?

certainly not any fun in my car


i really enjoy how much more planted the car feels coming out of high speed turns, you can push so far and even let it start sliding and the diff will help you come out easily.... plus you can do fun things like donuts and sideways U-turns, the rear bias combined with quattro makes you look like a pro

[italia8287]

can you do the stasis differential install yourself?

[I495 Bandit]

If you are or plan on running 300+hp then quattro or rwd is a must if you want to get the most out of a high hp car unless you do alot of highway runs then it dosent really matter if you have fwd or awd. I spin tire all the way through 3rd gear when I drop the clutch on my APR III+ MK4 Jetta on the street. Its fun but the fun really begins when it finally hooks up.

[AudiWxGuy]

If you put a LSD on the jetta, the front tires wont spin that much. I met a guy that put a turbo on a VR6 with a front LSD and he said he doesn't get much torque steer or wheel spin.

[Alky]

If you put a LSD on the jetta, the front tires wont spin that much. I met a guy that put a turbo on a VR6 with a front LSD and he said he doesn't get much torque steer or wheel spin.

He lied to you.

Unless he runs drag slicks and doesn't make that much power.

[AudiWxGuy]

Don't think so. It makes the front wheels spin at different speeds when accelerating to eliminate the torque steer.

Maybe it doesn't work from a stop. But the torque steer make sense.

[Auditude2.0T]

If you put a LSD on the jetta, the front tires wont spin that much. I met a guy that put a turbo on a VR6 with a front LSD and he said he doesn't get much torque steer or wheel spin.

VR6 Turbos put down around 400+HP my grandpas stock 2.0T Passat lights first gear and chirps second in tiptronic.

[AudiWxGuy]

Yeah. I meant more of the torque steer. My bee

[Alky]

Don't think so. It makes the front wheels spin at different speeds when accelerating to eliminate the torque steer.

Maybe it doesn't work from a stop. But the torque steer make sense.

If the car had an open diff, the tire with less grip would have more torque transferred to it, which is what causes torque steer and one wheel burnouts. An LSD actually locks the wheels together to boost grip and reduce torque steer.

There is no way in hell that a 400hp fwd car "doesn't spin much". A car like that won't even hook well on drag slicks.

[AudiWxGuy]

Do you read? I admitted I was wrong.

[Erocko]

Pretty much. My friend has a drag civc that dynos in the 600's. That is nowhere near what be runs on the track. He has huge fenders and slicks to match. Now he destroys axles. High hp does not mix with fwd. In the turns, the understeer is scary

If the car had an open diff, the tire with less grip would have more torque transferred to it, which is what causes torque steer and one wheel burnouts. An LSD actually locks the wheels together to boost grip and reduce torque steer.

There is no way in hell that a 400hp fwd car "doesn't spin much". A car like that won't even hook well on drag slicks.

[a4dc89]

I heard something about how the CVT dont have torque steer for some reason. HID anywhere?

But in general its AWD or RWD always, never FWD for the best performance is almost all situations

[Kschroers1]

quattro - FTW i drove without chains to yosemite yesterday all thanks to it :D

It hasn't even hit its worst yet up here. I live up in Fresno, and drive the Shaver lake(sierra summit) and Yosemite all the time and have yet to put chains on mine. Still running with the 19's actually. I'll haft to put the stockies back on soon though if i continue to go up.

[Zebman]

can you do the stasis differential install yourself?

I'd like to know this as well. If it's not extremely difficult, i'll be doing it. I love wrenching.

[Glassnpowder98]

I'd like to know this as well. If it's not extremely difficult, i'll be doing it. I love wrenching.

I haven't done it, but it doesn't look too hard from the instructions on the Stasis website. Here is a link so you can see if it's within your wrenching abilities... They aren't too detailed, but it just looks like a few bolts to get the differential out. Hopefully I'll be purchasing one of these in the near future!

http://www.stasisengineering.com/Adm...%20install.pdf

[AudiWxGuy]

That makes you think it's like 1 hour worth of work to install this thing. I thought it would be way worse then that.

[I495 Bandit]

If you put a LSD on the jetta, the front tires wont spin that much. I met a guy that put a turbo on a VR6 with a front LSD and he said he doesn't get much torque steer or wheel spin.

I do have a Quaife lsd on my car and you're absolutely right..... before the lsd the tire spin was much worse because only one wheel had the majority of the power. Talk about one wheel burnouts. With the lsd wheel spin is reduce and comming out of corners at full throttle is much more confident inspiring because both wheels are turning at the same speed with equal power to each wheel.The car handles 10x better but wheel spin is by no means eliminate. Now by burnouts don't look like they were made by a Yamaha R1.

[Zebman]

That is so damn vague lol. I'd still do it, definitely looks easy.

[CX-7&A4]

I heard something about how the CVT dont have torque steer for some reason. HID anywhere?

But in general its AWD or RWD always, never FWD for the best performance is almost all situations

I think the traction control does the best job of reducing wheel spin, as much as I try it doesn't really let me, not sure if that has much to do with the CVT though. I don't notice any TQ steer, just a surging when accelerating out of a parking lot.