piston rod combo for the B5

[RSMESS]

heyi just wanted to know if anyone with the integrated engineering piston rod combo can tell me if its worth the money. i always hear people saying this is a good upgrade but i wanted to know how good.

will the power increase be as significant as people say?

[mike-2ptzero]

You dont gain power by changing out the rod/pistons. You upgrade to those parts when making enough power that might break the stock rods.

[njm23]

heyi just wanted to know if anyone with the integrated engineering piston rod combo can tell me if its worth the money. i always hear people saying this is a good upgrade but i wanted to know how good.

will the power increase be as significant as people say?

You gotta do a lot more reading man...

[RSMESS]

You gotta do a lot more reading man...

where do you go to find that kind of stuff out though? im not a mechanic im an accountant. i only know what people have told me in my area.


so please, tell me where exactly do i go to find out specific information on motor internals that has a good reputation thats just as easy as talking to some of the people on line or at school so i dont make this mistake again?

[njm23]

No problem.. Check out the FAQ/DIY section http://www.audizine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105

The official displacement thread(boring out to a 2.0 and new pistons ect..GREAT reading if you wanna upgrade internals)
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188078


The projects and build threads (great info on all motor builds and major engine/body work)
http://www.audizine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=145

Like Mike said, upgrading the pistons/internals is only necessary when making over around 300WHP or going to a 2.0L which would require larger pistons ect..Won't give you any power. DO some reading in those sections, you'll find what you need. There is TONS of info on the site.

[RSMESS]

thanks man. theres alot of retards around here that give me useless information so ill take your advice on looking at the above forums

[B5A4Kevin]

you can actually gain about 125awhp by switching to high flow pistons and lower compression camshafts....

[njm23]

no need to be a D***.. But yeah read some stuff on what i showed you. You'll find everything you could every need pretty much.

[B5A4Kevin]

im sorry i just couldnt resist. didnt mean to come off as a dick. it was just a joke.

[RSMESS]

ok well i did quite a bit of reading on the displacement and engine build forums and have a more INTELLIGENT question to bother you guys about.

How much power can be gain by making the 1.8 a 2.0 if any?

[B5A4Kevin]

i dont have any experience with VWAG stroker builds so dont think of me as an expert. all i can give you is my opinion.

a lot of people that stroke out their engine are looking to achieve as much power as possible from their current powerplant. a normal 1.8t with good cylinder walls can simply get rods and bearings, and stock or lower compression pistons, and run all day with a bt/bat. the stroked 2.0t will carry a fair amount more torque below the curve (before the turbo achieves adequate boost levels), as well as having a tolerable rod ratio to still run high rpms (with a built head). stroking the 1.8t seems to be a win win situation all around. the only issues arise are money, and down time.

it is not recommended to build your engine on your daily driver, unless you have a spare engine you can have sent out for machine work, and build until you are ready for install. there is a significant amount more work that goes into stroking the engine rather than just throwing in rods. (r&i engine, bore, hone, r&r crank and associated bearings, blueprinting block, magnaflux, balancing, etc). you just cant expect it to all be done in a weekend or anything. also the associated cost can be nauseating between the forged components, machine work, head rebuild (optional), and all the labor costs can quickly become astronomical. a lot of the guys that get the intensive engine work done because they can save around half the cost by doing themselves, which is not something (no offense) a typical accountant can do.

what it really boils down to is "what do you want the car to do?"
are your goals a fast daily driver? a track-star? an a4 that eats vettes and shits lambos? anything is possible but how fast do you want to spend? also, i really hope you arent considering going to a 2.0 build on a chipped k03 as the minimal gains will be eclipsed by the cost of the build.

[mike-2ptzero]

ok well i did quite a bit of reading on the displacement and engine build forums and have a more INTELLIGENT question to bother you guys about.

How much power can be gain by making the 1.8 a 2.0 if any?

Only gain hp if you are not already maxing out the turbo, so the only thing you gain is how the turbo spools up and making the power band slightly larger.

[RSMESS]

i dont have any experience with VWAG stroker builds so dont think of me as an expert. all i can give you is my opinion.

a lot of people that stroke out their engine are looking to achieve as much power as possible from their current powerplant. a normal 1.8t with good cylinder walls can simply get rods and bearings, and stock or lower compression pistons, and run all day with a bt/bat. the stroked 2.0t will carry a fair amount more torque below the curve (before the turbo achieves adequate boost levels), as well as having a tolerable rod ratio to still run high rpms (with a built head). stroking the 1.8t seems to be a win win situation all around. the only issues arise are money, and down time.

it is not recommended to build your engine on your daily driver, unless you have a spare engine you can have sent out for machine work, and build until you are ready for install. there is a significant amount more work that goes into stroking the engine rather than just throwing in rods. (r&i engine, bore, hone, r&r crank and associated bearings, blueprinting block, magnaflux, balancing, etc). you just cant expect it to all be done in a weekend or anything. also the associated cost can be nauseating between the forged components, machine work, head rebuild (optional), and all the labor costs can quickly become astronomical. a lot of the guys that get the intensive engine work done because they can save around half the cost by doing themselves, which is not something (no offense) a typical accountant can do.

what it really boils down to is "what do you want the car to do?"
are your goals a fast daily driver? a track-star? an a4 that eats vettes and shits lambos? anything is possible but how fast do you want to spend? also, i really hope you arent considering going to a 2.0 build on a chipped k03 as the minimal gains will be eclipsed by the cost of the build.

ok. to start off, i'm not retarded. i know that stroker kit is not a weekend job. i also know accountants usually cannot do labor intensive work. i also know that running apr with my k03 with a stroker kit would be god damn retarded. so dont act like im a retard.

ok. now that that should be out of the way, i just want my car to have around 350 to 400 whp. as you can tell im not the most mechanically incline person but when i have a cpa money really is not a problem. i was planning on running a gt30 turbo. you dont have to act like im a moron just because i dont know everything about cars

[Pete@IE]

Another advantage to the stroker setups is that you can make more power on low octane fuels like pump gas. That is a big advantage for street users who aren't interested in needing leaded fuels etc to get the power out of their setups.

[B5A4Kevin]

ok. to start off, i'm not retarded. i know that stroker kit is not a weekend job. i also know accountants usually cannot do labor intensive work. i also know that running apr with my k03 with a stroker kit would be god damn retarded. so dont act like im a retard.

ok. now that that should be out of the way, i just want my car to have around 350 to 400 whp. as you can tell im not the most mechanically incline person but when i have a cpa money really is not a problem. i was planning on running a gt30 turbo. you dont have to act like im a moron just because i dont know everything about cars

i apologize if you were offended by my post, as this is not my intention. i was just illustrating the point that an engine rebuild is not for the faint of heart. it involves a lot of time and money. your signature does not list any of your modifications, and your posts neither mention your long term goals, nor your potential turbo size. now that you have stated your goals (350-400 whp), i would suggest a 2.0t stroker build, spa t-3 flanged manifold, and a gt30xx series turbo. hope this helps.

[njm23]

talk to someone about a GT30 kit, you prob wanna run a GT3076 for that power. Build the bottom end and build the head. Not completely necessary to go to a 2.0 but if the moneys there it would be nice for a little faster spool up. You'll have that power when it is said and done. Your looking to EASILY spend 10K on a project like this especially when your car from what I can tell is mostly stock.

[RSMESS]

thanks for the input. as of right now my car has only a chip but over the next few months ill be doing a few small modifications.

my plan is to build the motor up within the next few months and im just gathering as much info. as i can to get for the build. i know a few people that can help me out in my area but some if them are not vw audi specific. i also plan on buying another daily driver so it shouldnt be to much of a problem to have this thing off the road for extended times.