Quick noobie question...

[audiFUEGO]

I currently run a K04 hammer setup which I love... I love the instant torque. It makes my car feel alot faster than it actually is. One thing I would like out of my setup is more high end power, but I know it can't be achieved with such a small turbo..

I am a real turbo noob so bear with me if this sounds dumb to all of you... but I've seen people bore to 2.0L and throw big turbos on, only to hit full boost around 4000rpms...

I'm wondering if I were to stroke her and throw something like a T28 on... would that give me the driveability of my k04 hammer setup with massive torque with a bit more go in the higher rpms?

To be honest I'm not looking for 500whp... I just want a torquey car for around town with a bit more umph on the highway to compete with these newer chipped 2.0T's..

Sorry if this is stupid...

[Don Supreme]

Not stupid.... Your logic seems sounds.

However, I would drive in a properly done up gt3076 setup before you invest a bunch of time in a minor turbo upgrade. Especially given the fact that a 2.0 will be built to handle more power than t28 can produce (a lot more).

[mike-2ptzero]

Yes, it was done way back in 2002 by a PES customer. Problem is the peak hp hit at 5500 rpms and fell quickly after that and didn't really make any more power then the same setup on a stock 1.8 liter. You might be able to find info on that car on AW, guys name was Ryan. IIRC another guy did a built bottom end with a PES T28 and stand alone when he swapped out the 2.8 for a 1.8t, IIRC his name is Rob.

A GT28rs or 2871r would be a better choice then the T28/GT28r for a 2 liter if you want more low end tq. Can always go with a T3 flanged 28rs/71 and then switch to a 30r without having to change manifolds again when you end up wanting more power.

[GetBoosted84]

GT2860RS here with a stock bore 1.8T and I hit full boost by 3800 RPM. It's not like the k04 because the power is not hitting as soon as you hit the gas but waiting for it yields a lot more power than a k04 hammer file setup.

2.0 would def. help in getting a quicker spool but I think the other folks are right... if you are going to go with a 2 liter, you might as well go with a larger turbo.

[mike-2ptzero]

K04 Hammer file


GT28rs


2 liter would cause the tq to hit about 500rpm sooner which is right in the same spot where the tq hits on the K04 Hammer file setup.

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

Simple Answer Get An Eliminator Kit Or Apr / Pes Stage 3
I Never Had A K04 Car But Drivability And Power Is There With my stage 3 car

[TighTT]

2.0 with a 3071R would be bangin'.

[andyrew]

Ya I'd agree with all the people that say 2.0+ apr stage 3..

Get an electronic boost controller and you'll be boosting as soon as you want...

There is a TON of low end TQ in that setup. You'll have power all the way till 7k.


Its a great setup...

[TighTT]

Ya I'd agree with all the people that say 2.0+ apr stage 3..

Get an electronic boost controller and you'll be boosting as soon as you want...

There is a TON of low end TQ in that setup. You'll have power all the way till 7k.


Its a great setup...

Other than to get the exhaust manifold...why would anyone buy an APR stage III when you can piece together a faster kit for way less money? If this were 5 years ago I would agree with you....as there were not many choices for parts and tuning. But today there are TONS of great options!

[dreVanHalen]

im in the same boat as you. Right now I am stock but was trying to decide on a turbo. was looking at the k04 for tq reasons, but i am afraid i will end up wanting more power. was looking at the apr stage III+ but I dont think I want to shell out that much money. What other options are out there?

Sorry if i am thread jacking, but looks like we are after the same info ha

[GetBoosted84]

im in the same boat as you. Right now I am stock but was trying to decide on a turbo. was looking at the k04 for tq reasons, but i am afraid i will end up wanting more power. was looking at the apr stage III+ but I dont think I want to shell out that much money. What other options are out there?

Sorry if i am thread jacking, but looks like we are after the same info ha

dreVanHalen, you should start by reading the turbo section in here. Lots of useful info in there.

[Tiluleshpingen]

just go 1.9 so you dont have to change the crank and use a small to mid size dual ball bearing turbo for a faster spool.(disco potato,71r)

[dreVanHalen]

how would a 2.0 bore with a GTRS be as far as torque? anyone had any experience with this turbo?

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

Other than to get the exhaust manifold...why would anyone buy an APR stage III when you can piece together a faster kit for way less money? If this were 5 years ago I would agree with you....as there were not many choices for parts and tuning. But today there are TONS of great options!

I pieced together my setup and i would highly advice against it...
It's so many little things that you need that u dont account for until your ready to install.
Its best if you get a kit or get it from a tuner so you can have customer support and all the parts you need to complete the upgrade

[andyrew]

^^^
And who says it has to be new??

I was just saying that sized turbo.. and all the included stuff... Its a general statement.

[Seerlah]

I am not the most knowledgable about vehicles. But I think he should just get the GTRS on the stock engine and call it a day w/upgraded clutch (stg 4). Unless his mileage is starting to call for a rebuild, then he would want to rebuild it with a 2.0. But if he was to go 2.0, he should def invest in no smaller than a GT30xx. Just my .02.

[audiFUEGO]

Hmmm... many different opinions... much to consider..

[B5A4Kevin]

i agree with seerlah. imo, going to a 1.9l bore is just as much work and only slightly less in cost than a 2.0l. you still need to purchase new rods and pistons, so you might as well just pony up and get a new crank. especially since he has a 06a block (awm) which means less machining for the stroker kit. i say either go bt with rods, or GT30xx with a built 2.0

[Seerlah]

I read many threads of people running eliminator kits (GTRS and GT2871r eliminator t25 flange) without having to upgrade rods. But it is def great to do rods for that peace of mind. It is when people go full turbo kits that rods would need to be upgraded (unless running low boost, but that's no fun). The eliminator kits are designed to handle stock components. If he were to do rods, then the full kit would be the way to go on a BT. Otherwise, he could still stick with the stock engine with the eliminator kits. The GT2871r eliminator kit is rated at 400chp, which is what our stock internals are limited to before needing forged rods (pistons are rated at 600chp if I recall correctly). And the GTRS is rated at 350chp.