Anyone install Parrot bluetooth with multican interface?

[vince954]

Has anyone here installed a parrot bluetooth kit along with their multican interface for streering wheel control? I know there is another kit out there too.

I just ordered the Parrot kit and the bluetooth setup, when done I will post comments, I figured if I will have bluetooth then I may as well put those buttons on the streering wheel to use... the parrot multican kit is cheaper than the other so I will give it a go...

[terje_77]

Here you go:

http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=3073011

[vince954]

Thanks for the link, there are two types of interfaces described, one is a hardwire one that seems to wire to the steering columm connector. the other, by parrot, is the one I got that ties into the can bus cables behind the radio. looking forward to the install.

[poli84]

What a random coincidence.

i just logged on to find information on installing exactly the same setup in my A3 and this thread was sitting right at the top. I already have my CK3000 evolution, just ordered the multican then so waiting for it to arrive to install.

It's all completely plug and play isn't it? No power wire's needed?

[vince954]

I was looking at some of the install info and it seems all plug and play using the adaptors with the kit. if this works as described it will be cool as it puts those extra buttions to work... where did you moun the controller?

What a random coincidence.

i just logged on to find information on installing exactly the same setup in my A3 and this thread was sitting right at the top. I already have my CK3000 evolution, just ordered the multican then so waiting for it to arrive to install.

It's all completely plug and play isn't it? No power wire's needed?

[poli84]

Hadn't installed it yet. Well I tried but couldn't get power to it. I wasn't brave enough to follow the write ups here and on other forums about cutting the power wires ,etc.

I read on a local forum (Australia) that by installing the Multican, you don't need to worry about the power fuse modificiations, etc.

So i ordered the multican and am awaiting for it to arrive before I give installing the CK3000 and multican another try.

Let me know how you go. I am anxious to know whether it is all completely plug and play with no messy wire cutting, etc.

[poli84]

Have you installed the kit yet?

My Multican just arrived and I have it all plugged up ready to install except for the Can High and Can Low cables (green and white cables).

Do you know where they plug into?

[vince954]

Hadn't installed it yet. Well I tried but couldn't get power to it. I wasn't brave enough to follow the write ups here and on other forums about cutting the power wires ,etc.

I read on a local forum (Australia) that by installing the Multican, you don't need to worry about the power fuse modificiations, etc.

So i ordered the multican and am awaiting for it to arrive before I give installing the CK3000 and multican another try.

Let me know how you go. I am anxious to know whether it is all completely plug and play with no messy wire cutting, etc.

I got the multican kit today, looks pretty simple but I did discover you have to connect to the two can bus cables from the back of the radio, they do not supply the usual dual connector arrangement for this so you have to tap into these wires in the factory harness. as its can bus data it should be soldered to avoid problems. One good thing is that you do not install the ck3000 control unit, you use the steering wheel controls instead, should make for a nice install. I am doing it this weekend and will take some pictures.

[vince954]

Did a basic install yesterday, a few things to note

in the harness with the parrot evolution, there are 3 wires labeled mute on the connector going to the radio, the one that mutes the radio is the white one which connects to the yellow in the multican kit, this is not clear in the instructions.

Also, the can bus connections have to be hard wired, there is not double connector harness included for this. I was lucky that I had already installed an mp3 player that has this double connector but if you dont have such a thing, you will have to peel back the cover on the factory wire and splice into the two can wires, the diagrams are pretty clear so it should not be too hard.

Now, the gripes, when you use the bluetooth, the radio does not say phone nor does the display in the dash. I am investigating using the mute line for the factory phone instead (pin 1 in the connector that is not used in the radio, the one that is oriented up/down rather than left/right). if this works, I will add a note here...

Hadn't installed it yet. Well I tried but couldn't get power to it. I wasn't brave enough to follow the write ups here and on other forums about cutting the power wires ,etc.

I read on a local forum (Australia) that by installing the Multican, you don't need to worry about the power fuse modificiations, etc.

So i ordered the multican and am awaiting for it to arrive before I give installing the CK3000 and multican another try.

Let me know how you go. I am anxious to know whether it is all completely plug and play with no messy wire cutting, etc.

[vince954]

I made the change from the white mute cable in the parrot evolution wiring harness to the phone mute input of the concert radio, this is pin1 in the 10 pin connector that is oriented up/down unlike the others. it is the bottom pin furthest from the other connectors.

Now the system sets the factory radio to phone when a call comes in/out or when I use the menus in the parrot evolutions. now I am happy...

[terje_77]

Now the system sets the factory radio to phone when a call comes in/out or when I use the menus in the parrot evolutions. now I am happy...

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[purpleaudi]

Also check the plug and play Parrot interfaces here - no wires or Can Bus connections to have to hook up to activate the steering wheel buttons: www.quickconnectproducts.com/steeringwheel.html

The cable make all the connections, even 12V switched automatically - nothing to tap or cut. The cable is different for radios with the the 4 plugs at the back of the headunit and the headunits with a single big square connector like the NAV units and some newer Symphony II double high radios use. These cables use the telephone input as it was meant to be used (just like factory fitted -- so even Bose systems work with these cables). You just need to get a Parrot 3000 in additon to this product (you don't use the Parrot controller or cable that comes in the 3000 box however, just the blue brain and microphone.

[vince954]

Also check the plug and play Parrot interfaces here - no wires or Can Bus connections to have to hook up to activate the steering wheel buttons: www.quickconnectproducts.com/steeringwheel.html

The cable make all the connections, even 12V switched automatically - nothing to tap or cut. The cable is different for radios with the the 4 plugs at the back of the headunit and the headunits with a single big square connector like the NAV units and some newer Symphony II double high radios use. These cables use the telephone input as it was meant to be used (just like factory fitted -- so even Bose systems work with these cables). You just need to get a Parrot 3000 in additon to this product (you don't use the Parrot controller or cable that comes in the 3000 box however, just the blue brain and microphone.

I thought of getting that one but having to run a cable to the steering columm and the fact that its about twice the cost had me go with the parrot one, the only wires to tap are the can bus wires to the radio and adding a mute imput, with this done it works great.

[poli84]

Vince, not sure if you have the time, but are you able to write up a relatively detailed explanation on how to hook up the can bus wires?

Obviously all of the plug and play stuff is simple but i'm worried to try splicing the wires as I wouldnt have a clue what to do.

My mate is an electrician so he can help me with the technical stuff, I just need to give him some instructions on how to do it.

If you have the time to step by step describe it, it would be thoroughly and greatly appreciated.

[vince954]

give me a few days, travelling right now, I will post a write up with some diagrams and such.

[poli84]

Thanks Vince,

Take your time. All help is appreciated!

[vince954]

Parrot Multican installation on Audi A3
Installation notes



The below are notes an suggested changes to the installation instructions that come with the Parrot Multican with CK3000 installation on Audi A3 vehicles with the Concert Radio.


Most of the information in the Multican installation manual is correct, the system is pre-wired with audio in/out connectors and power in/out connections that allow for mostly plug-in installation, however, they do not provide a connector set for the can bus interface cables and the mute they provide is not the correct one for phone operation.

Can bus connection:

The can bus connection needs to me made to the vehicle harness to the 20 pin connector on the rear of the concert radio, the pins are shown in the diagram below, you will need to carefully peel back the harness protection sheath to expose the wires, the can bus wires are:

pin 7 which is the can High wire that connects to the green wire from the Multican kit

Pin 12 which is the can Low wire that connects to the white wire from the multican kit.

See Fig 1 for radio connector rear view
Fig 2 shows a detail of this connector.


Note: The can wires are for an on board network, these connections are important as they deal with control of all confort and entertainment functions such as the data dieplayed in the dash display, streering wheel control, etc. Because of this it is imperative this be a solid connection, I would not suggest using quick splice connectors such as Scotch Lock connectors, I suggest making a solder connection covered with heat shrink or at least a solid crimp on connection to be sure these connections last.


Mute connection:

The kit has 3 mute wires available in the harness, the yellow and white work but they only serve to lower volume and do not make the radio go into phone mode. The connection that should be used is Pin 1 in the vertical connector to the left of the others Pin 1 is the bottom left pin of this connector as in the picture above, it is not used unless there is a phone kit already in the car, you will need a very small spade connector to slide on to this pin, connect to the yellow mute wire from the multican kit, the wire that comes from he multican box and not from the radio connectors. Fig 1 and 3 show the pin for this connection








Fig 1 Radio connector rear view, note the can bus connections and mute imput. The multican harness does not have these connections available, they all have to be made manually.




Fig 2 Can bus connections. Detailed view: these are the pins you are connecting to, see notes above.





Fig 3 Phone Mute connection, do not use the mute imputs in the parrot harness, these only lower volume and do not put the raido and dash display into phone mode. You will need a mini spade connector crimped down to fit onto this pin, be careful not to short to other pins.

[poli84]

Thanks Vince.

That's a great write up and it is much appreciated!

I'll let you know how I go.

[dfischer1]

This is really helpful...I spent 2hrs yesterday trying to make this work with no luck. My problem is that I can't tell which harness connectors go in the two plugs under the CAN connectors.

Also, some DIYs say you need to use a fuse tap to get 12v of power to the Parrot; did you not need to do that in your install? I couldn't get mine to power up.

Cheers,

DF

[poli84]

Are you installing Parrot Ck3000 with Multican or just the CK3000 on its own?

Vince could probably answer better but I don't think you need to use the power tap if you are using the Multicann.

Vince, is this correct?

[dfischer1]

I'm using the MULTICAN module also.

[poli84]

Perhaps you still do then. I couldn't get it to power up without the Multican so I ordered the unit but haven't tried installing it yet.

Vince, did you need to powertap with the Multican?

[vince954]

mine was the multican with the ck3000 evolution and I did not have to tap any other wires, power was supplied from the harness that came with the multican, it supplies power to the ck3000. maybe you have a different version, try this link to instructions:

http://www.parrot.com/uk/support/ins...atibilite_audi

note that there seem to ve two versions, not sure on the difference but the kit I got was with the ISO connectors...

[poli84]

Thanks Vince, that seems to be what I have so shouldn't need to power tap.

Just to confirm, you tap into the correct CAN pins of the car's 20pin cable correct? The one that comes from behind the dash? Once you join the CAN wires to this cable, you then plug that cable back in as normal?

[dfischer1]

Good to hear one doesn't need to get the 12v power.

Two questions:
How does one tap into the hi and lo CAN bus connectors?
Which harness connectors go into the connectors under the 20 pin connector? There's a brown connector and a black connector, but I don't know where they plug into the harness because they're the same shape connector...

Thanks,

DF

[vince954]

see my other post, I listed detailed pinouts...

[bmags88]

I haven't read anything about problems with streaming music through the rear speakers. Has anyone experienced that problem?

[poli84]

Finally got around to installing my Parrot CK3000 with Multican into my A3 with a Symphony II.
The bluetooth is working fine but I am having problems with the mute and steering wheel controls.
Vince, I followed your right up which was great but noticed that you mentioned it was for a Chorus and not a Symphony.
My problems are as follows:
Mute - When the yellow MUTE cable from the Multican is connected to PIN 1 of the stereo, the stereo permanently stays in 'PHONE' mode and does not turn off.

Steering Wheel Controls - I have connected everything as you instructed in your write up but the steering controls don't do anything except 'Discrete Mode' once in a call. I have followed the operation instructions from Parrot but the buttons don't do a thing.

Any advice or should I perhaps contact Parrot?

[BIG EYE]

Can this be installed if there is an Ipod adapter (DICE) already installed, or would it be one or the other?

[vince954]

I think its one or the other as the ipod adapter may use the same audio imput connections.

[BIG EYE]

The IPOD adapter plugs into the cd changer plug on the back of the headunit...does the Parrot unit use the same plug?

[poli84]

I have both the Parrot Multicann and a Dension Ipod connector installed.
I have a Symphony II head unit with an internal 6 dick CD changer.

The way it is is set up in my car is the Dension piggy backs the OEM "main" plug.
The Parrot with multican then piggy backs the dension plug which is connected to the "main" OEM plug.

It all works together great. The only problem is fitting all 3 boxes that come with the Dension and Parrot with multican behind the stereo. That was an effort in itself.

Parrot system is amazing, works fantastic.
The only problem i had was couldn't get the Mute cable to work properly which isn't a big deal. Most of the time i am using my iPhone connected to the Dension for tunes anyway so when i get a call, the music stops anyway. If i am listening to the radio, i just turn it down before answering.

The steering controls are a bit temperamental.
I can always answer the phone by pressing the phone button on the wheel but it only sometimes works with voice recognition feature.

On the whole, very happy with my current set up until i can afford to put an RNS-E in, in which i will replace the Dension icelink with a gateway so i can utilise the screen.

[BIG EYE]

Awesome! That's great news! Thanks for the info!