2.7T swap into the B7???

[K04B5]

Does anyone know if this has been done... let along if it would be possible?

[Quattro]

yes it is possible and has been done 1 time, by who you might ask? ABT, look up their as-4. I was reading about ABT today, so thats how I know, but I believe they used an rs4 engine.

so, yes it can be done, is it sick? heck ya!!!

thats why you wear your abt stuff proudly.

-randy

[bcramer]

As I recall the 2.7T engine had lots of problems though.... If you're going to spend the money on a swap I would either go BT or step up to the 3.2 and get a SC.

Or try to fit a V8.

[Auditude2.0T]

If you are looking to spend big money i would buy an A4 3.2 go to HPA Motorsports and have them try to fit a R32 Twin Turbo Kit to it since the Engine Block is very similar if not the same.

[Sal_B7]

^^^That or C2 came out with a turbo kit for the R32 that is pushing really high numbers!! Not sure if it will fit the A4 but i mean like you said same engine.

[Sal_B7]

My roomate use to have a B5 S4 with K04's and he says that once i get my stage 3 in that it should be faster then his car was. so we will see.....

[Das General]

My roomate use to have a B5 S4 with K04's and he says that once i get my stage 3 in that it should be faster then his car was. so we will see.....

hhhmmm a lighter stage 3 s4 car being slower than an APR stage 3 A4... doubtful. Considering stage 3 s4's run mid to low 11's and a stage 3 a4 runs mid 13's, maybe high 12's.

[Geoffafa]

r32 is not the same engine at a 3.2 a4, lets start there, the "vr" motor was designed for the small space it was given, it is not a true v6- nor a true inline 6, if you look at the coil packs, they are in a staggered offset which looks something like this ,`,`,` where as the 3.2 v6 from the a4 is a tru v6 that has three coil packs on one side, three on another, and two seperate headers, whereas the r only has one header

[eskimopunk]

r32 is not the same engine at a 3.2 a4, lets start there, the "vr" motor was designed for the small space it was given, it is not a true v6- nor a true inline 6, if you look at the coil packs, they are in a staggered offset which looks something like this ,`,`,` where as the 3.2 v6 from the a4 is a tru v6 that has three coil packs on one side, three on another, and two seperate headers, whereas the r only has one header

'tis true... the vr6 was designed like that so it could fit in the gti's... v6's were too big and they wanted a bigger engine for more power, hence the VR6

[gyroscope]

I always loved the power band and low end torque of both my previous 12v Vr6's (97 Gti, 93 SLC). I've often contemplated selling the A4 and looking for a MK5 R32.

I think a properly tuned stage 3 BT for the 2.0T in the A4, along with a stronger clutch, RS4 brakes and differentials, could make an A4 a very fast and lightweight car. Probably not as agile as a B5 S4 with K04's, but still performance numbers could reach those similar to the RS4.

[Auditude2.0T]

hhhmmm a lighter stage 3 s4 car being slower than an APR stage 3 A4... doubtful. Considering stage 3 s4's run mid to low 11's and a stage 3 a4 runs mid 13's, maybe high 12's.

Thats not exaggerate now. I know alot about B5 S4's as i am a big fan but most PJ K04 Stage 3's run in the 12's. Then you have some that run in the 11's that have some strong tunes and fueling with good drivers. I have seen some strong Stage 3 run mid 11's but not at full weight. Stage 3+. RS4/6 Hybrid K04 cars and GTXX cars are a different league that i can see running consistent low 11's and 10's. The B7 is really not that heavy for a luxury car my Tiptronic car at the track with 1/4 tank of gas with full interior (no spare) weighed 3650 with me in it (im 250).

[I495 Bandit]

You could absolutely swap a 2.7tt for our 2.0t. The motor mounts are in the same place so it should fit right in without TOO many modifications. Now you would have to swap your trans along with the engine also but im not to sure if the trans for the 2.7tt will bolt in the stock 2.0t mounting points though.

[K04B5]

I always loved the power band and low end torque of both my previous 12v Vr6's (97 Gti, 93 SLC). I've often contemplated selling the A4 and looking for a MK5 R32.

I think a properly tuned stage 3 BT for the 2.0T in the A4, along with a stronger clutch, RS4 brakes and differentials, could make an A4 a very fast and lightweight car. Probably not as agile as a B5 S4 with K04's, but still performance numbers could reach those similar to the RS4.

Now thats what I like to hear... I'm thinking of getting a B7 and doing some fun stuff with it

[Geoffafa]

[QUOTE=gyroscope;3190981]I always loved the power band and low end torque of both my previous 12v Vr6's (97 Gti, 93 SLC). I've often contemplated selling the A4 and looking for a MK5 R32.

I think a properly tuned stage 3 BT for the 2.0T in the A4, along with a stronger clutch, RS4 brakes and differentials, could make an A4 a very fast and lightweight car. Probably not as agile as a B5 S4 with K04's, but still performance numbers

MKV vr6 are the 24 valve motors. They do make better power, but nothing compared to the sound of a 12v motor. The corrado vr6 is sexy IMHO

[LampyB]

+1 on the VR6 swap in comparison to the 2.7T. the 2.7 engine is a b*tch to work on and has to be pulled for anything remotely serious. it's a very high maintenance engine if you know what i mean ($$$).

[vtracer20]

vr6 = fwd vs 2.7t = awd, awd > fwd ;)

[gyroscope]

R32=24v VR6=4 Motion=AWD

[Das General]

Thats not exaggerate now. I know alot about B5 S4's as i am a big fan but most PJ K04 Stage 3's run in the 12's. Then you have some that run in the 11's that have some strong tunes and fueling with good drivers. I have seen some strong Stage 3 run mid 11's but not at full weight. Stage 3+. RS4/6 Hybrid K04 cars and GTXX cars are a different league that i can see running consistent low 11's and 10's. The B7 is really not that heavy for a luxury car my Tiptronic car at the track with 1/4 tank of gas with full interior (no spare) weighed 3650 with me in it (im 250).

My stage 3 pump tune ran 11.6. My buddies stage 3 s4 run 11.9 on pump gas. I can name 20 stage 3's that run 11's, off the top of my head. No exaggeration here.


For those looking to do a swap. I do a VR6 big turbo setup.

[ImitationOfLife]

MKV vr6 are the 24 valve motors. They do make better power, but nothing compared to the sound of a 12v motor. The corrado vr6 is sexy IMHO

But they still sound amazing and sound much better than the 2.0T.

[CKYmike]

2.7t should go right in into a 3.2 b7. The blocks are very similar therefore the mounts should be the same. I've played with the idea now that I'm getting a b7 but I'll wait to hack into it crazy like that :)

[NOGAROB6S4]

Sal seemed to have left out that my s4 did not have a fueling kit so it never reached it's full potential. The s4 is more torquey and sounds amazing I think sal's new kit will still be pretty damn fast. We hope....

[Sal_B7]

^^Yup what he said. I know i wont be faster then a fully Stage 3 S4 and i never said that but there is a guy here in SD that has a fully stage 3 so once i get my kit on ill see if he is down to do a few runs and see how it goes...

[BLACKa4QUAT]

034 put a 2.8 vr6 into a b5. works just grand with a twin scroll gt45r, hehe

[autoverruckt]

I would love to have a 2.7T in the B7. I have had a long love affair with the 2.7T. The first Audi I ever drove was a Nogaro B5 S4 with ecu, downpipe, exhaust, and CO's. Then I got my USP. Wasn't satisfied so I test drove 4 B5 S4's but ended up with a B6 S4 because I preferred the interior that much more. But even when I had my USP I often imagined how perfect and 'best of both worlds' it would be if it had a 2.7T. And now that I had 2 B6's with the world's most pathetic cupholders (I'm a coffee drinker) I love the B7 cupholders. Gosh how perfect it would be to have a stage 3 2.7T stuffed into such a nice chassis. [end of daydreaming]

Side note: my very first instructor for an HPDE had a Nogaro B5 S4. RIP Matt Amon.

[Bmeister]

With all the effort, time and expense, you might be better off to buy a used RS4. There's more to an engine swap (of different engine types) than you think. The electronics is a big one. Then you have to upgrade and calibrate the suspension for the 2.7T. And then of course there's the maintenance issue with a twin-turbo V6. Now try to get your insurance adjusted to cover all the $$$$ you just put into it. Finally, as ugly as it is to work on a V8 S4, the 2.7T is going to be a bigger handful if/when something breaks...it does not have a great track record; not bad, but not too good either.

[2001S4OWNER]

The r32 3.2 and audi's 3.2 in the a4/a6 body is not the same engine. The 3.2 is a narrow "v" design at I believe 10.6 degreee off set. The a4/a6 3.2 is a true v design. The hpa kit will not fit without major modications....
would be cool though! We just got a few 2009 a6 with the new 3.0t engine (supercharged)

[Doctor]

The 2.7T engine is propably my favorite among all recent Audis so far...
So tunable and so nice...I would love having it in my car...