My local dealer has Motul oil !

[cecaa]

Just went to my dealer to check to replace PCV because of the oil spill around the engine filler cap and the screws and found they have Motul oil in replacement of the factory oil for some extra money.

I got the appointment to replace PCV and oil change, the Motul is $45 more than the factory Castrol oil.

I think I should go for Motul because I don't change oil in between my service intervals. What do you guys think? is it worth it?

[LampyB]

$45 more for an oil change is ridiculous. Castrol syntec is great stuff, you're not going to notice even the tiniest difference in the long run so don't waste your money. that's my .02 cents.

why don't you have the oil changed between service intervals? your rationale of spending more on oil at longer intervals versus spending the same amount to have it changed twice as often sounds retarded. get it changed every 5K miles like everyone else here, there's a reason we all do this....

[Geoffafa]

depends which Motul oil your dealership has. If it's 502 definantly not worth it. I use 300v synthetic blend race oil. THAT makes a difference. And I would think it's worth the 45. But be careful. Dealers will charge you for something and not give it to you. I worked there and saw it happen several times. Just a heads up

[cecaa]

Thanks for comments guys.

I don't change it more often just because the engine consumes 1 quart of oil every 2k miles and everytime i add oil the existing oil is still in good condition. but I ll take your advice not to change Motul now and change it after 5k miles later.

Cheers!

[Goped220]

Motul is the best oil. I Motul use X-Cess 8100 5W40. For a 5 Liter jug it is 31.99. It is much better than Royal Purple, Ams Oil & Redline oil. It is great because it has good detergents. It does break down as fast a Mobil 1. That’s my cents.

[Subaru71]

Motul is the best oil. I Motul use X-Cess 8100 5W40. For a 5 Liter jug it is 31.99. It is much better than Royal Purple, Ams Oil & Redline oil. It is great because it has good detergents. It does break down as fast a Mobil 1. That’s my cents.

Why is Motul better than the others?

[GhostSquadGarage]

Alot of people, including me don't always change every 5k.
I do 10k intervals. You should research the breakdown of oils before you jump on the bandwagon about which oil is better and how often you should change it.

[evilgabbie]

Speaking of oil... how's that Royal Purple stuff ?

[Goped220]

gsg, I am not sure what you are talking about. I change me oil every 3000 miles. the oil is black. I have done research and used all the oil I spoke about.

subaru71 like I said in my first post motul is the best because it has good detergents in it. so it won't break down like other competitors.

evilgabbie royal purple is very good but I like motul x-cess 8100

[elwigglero]

gsg, I am not sure what you are talking about. I change me oil every 3000 miles. the oil is black. I have done research and used all the oil I spoke about.

Every 3k for synthetic oil is overkill. Standard oil...sure, but fully synthetic oil simply doesn't need to be changed that often. Audi engineers schedule service intervals. These guys only designed the engine, what the hell do they know

But if your synthetic oil is black after 3k, you should prob take your car in for service, because something ain't right.

I'm all for keeping up with maintenance, but throwing away synthetic oil every 3-5k is pointless.

[Goped220]

elwigglero what are you talking about. Yes the engineers at Audi did design the 2.0T FSI Motor, but the schedule maintenance intervals are not right. Even my dealer said you should do oil changes around 3000 miles. It also depends on how hard you are driving the car. I guess you don’t know that the turbo uses oil. So with that said why wouldn’t you use fresh oil that is not broken down (Black in color which you probably don’t know what it look like.)

[Subaru71]

lol the reason I'm asking is, I have been running laboratory oil analysis on my oil ever since I bought the car. I ran my last fill of Castrol Syntec 5w-40 for 5001 miles and I had over 70% of active detergents left in it. I always change at 5000 anyway, but our cars can definitely do 10k

[Maverick]

depends which Motul oil your dealership has. If it's 502 definantly not worth it. I use 300v synthetic blend race oil. THAT makes a difference. And I would think it's worth the 45. But be careful. Dealers will charge you for something and not give it to you. I worked there and saw it happen several times. Just a heads up

where do you get he race oil? you don't think it's overkill for street use? give me your reasons please

[LampyB]

^^sure they can do 10K, but if you put a lot of miles on the car in a short period i can understand this schedule. most people take quite a long time to put 10K on the car, and i can't imagine changing my oil only once per year! jesus, think of how many times you're starting the car, warming up & cooling down over that period of time. in the winter especially, the oil thickens up every time the car sits. i wouldn't ever think about doing 10K intervals on my car no matter what oil is used...

[Subaru71]

^^sure they can do 10K, but if you put a lot of miles on the car in a short period i can understand this schedule. most people take quite a long time to put 10K on the car, and i can't imagine changing my oil only once per year! jesus, think of how many times you're starting the car, warming up & cooling down over that period of time. in the winter especially, the oil thickens up every time the car sits. i wouldn't ever think about doing 10K intervals on my car no matter what oil is used...

another good point, I do put a lot of miles in a short time. I don't have the oil analysis statistics to prove this one, but I wouldn't go over a year either :D

[Maverick]

where do you get he race oil? you don't think it's overkill for street use? give me your reasons please

answer the question please. thanks

[Goped220]

Motul 300V is the race oil. It is very good but not ideal for street used. It breaks down faster than the Motul X-Cess 8100. The reason for breaking down so fast is it has less detergent. It made for short use application. For example track days, auto cross and drag strips.

[jeradw]

I have 17k on my A4 right now and I was thinking about switching over to a 5k oil change system. I just got a change at 15k and of course at the 5k. I just took it to the dealership and had them change it (mainly because it was part of the scheduled maintenance). I think I may take it back in at 20k and have them change the oil, and then schedule something every 5k.

Though I dont drive my car super hard...probably somewhere in the middle - it does get really cold here in the winter.

Has anyone else been changing their oil at the dealership every 5k? Does anyone know what they use at the dealerships?

I've heard all recommendations...3k, 5k, 7k, 10k. Lol...sad to say, but I dont know when I should change the oil!! I have never gotten any lights on the car about low oil.

[greensto]

depends which Motul oil your dealership has. If it's 502 definantly not worth it. I use 300v synthetic blend race oil. THAT makes a difference. And I would think it's worth the 45. But be careful. Dealers will charge you for something and not give it to you. I worked there and saw it happen several times. Just a heads up

Isn't that race oil for motorcycle use?

[elwigglero]

elwigglero what are you talking about. Yes the engineers at Audi did design the 2.0T FSI Motor, but the schedule maintenance intervals are not right. Even my dealer said you should do oil changes around 3000 miles. It also depends on how hard you are driving the car. I guess you don’t know that the turbo uses oil. So with that said why wouldn’t you use fresh oil that is not broken down (Black in color which you probably don’t know what it look like.)

haha never saw this. Your dealer tells you to change your oil every 3k, because he makes money on oil changes. Service intervals are set by Audi engineers for normal driving. If you drive the car hard...then 5-6k is probably best, but 3k is the dinosaur oil standard...not synthetic.

[kharsnett]

motul FTW everyone should go buy some from ecstuning.com =)

[EMAXX]

^^sure they can do 10K, but if you put a lot of miles on the car in a short period i can understand this schedule. most people take quite a long time to put 10K on the car, and i can't imagine changing my oil only once per year! jesus, think of how many times you're starting the car, warming up & cooling down over that period of time. in the winter especially, the oil thickens up every time the car sits. i wouldn't ever think about doing 10K intervals on my car no matter what oil is used...

That's a good point. I've been averaging about 2-3k miles a month. I just don't have the time or feel it necessary to change my oil every other month.

I just dread seeing that service interval reminder come up on my car every couple months.

[AFizzle87]

i use motul 300v, good shit its a little pricey but worth imho and im changing the oil every 5k

[jmars]

Not for nothing but those "engineers" that designe the 2.0T also design the peice of $hit cam/cam follower.

5k on Mobil 1.....thats my move.

[p1nk50ck]

the whole 3000 mile oil change was a marketing gimmick to get people to change their oil more frequently. it's not necessarily bad for your car, but you are dumping oil that is still perfectly fine out of your car.

oil change intervals really should depend on your driving habits. if you're putting a lot of miles on your car in a short period of time, towing, driving in high temperatures, or just redlining the crap out of your engine and driving very hard, you should change more frequently. plus, our cars are turbocharged, and i believe our turbos are oil cooled, so there is more demand for good oil in our cars than naturally aspirated engines. for those of you who like to drag race at every stoplight, and gun it as fast as you can every time you're on the highway, you should consider changing your oil around 5,000-7,500 miles with a high quality synthetic oil. 7,500-10,000 if you're a normal driver that likes to get on it from time to time, or 10,000-15,000 if you're a grandma that likes to get groceries every now and then.


you can send your oil to a lab to have it analyzed. that's the only way you can really tell if the viscosity has broken down. the dark color really doesn't mean the oil is bad.

if you have a higher mileage car, you eventually develop cracks or blemishes in the cylinder walls. these get filled in with oil and other small deposits, which "seal" them back up. if you change your oil too frequently, these seals will basically flush out, and you can prematurely wear the piston seals by the way they rub against the cracks and blemishes on the cylinder walls.

hundreds of tests have been done between different types of high quality synthetic fluids, and frankly, I don't know what study to believe anymore. they're all good: motul, castrol syn, lucas oil, redline, mobil 1, royal purple. all of those are great, and will be way more than enough to get the job done for a majority of drivers out there. if you track your car frequenly, it's a very different story. there is a much higher demand for better oil, and quicker change intervals.

[jeradw]

the whole 3000 mile oil change was a marketing gimmick to get people to change their oil more frequently. it's not necessarily bad for your car, but you are dumping oil that is still perfectly fine out of your car.

oil change intervals really should depend on your driving habits. if you're putting a lot of miles on your car in a short period of time, towing, driving in high temperatures, or just redlining the crap out of your engine and driving very hard, you should change more frequently. plus, our cars are turbocharged, and i believe our turbos are oil cooled, so there is more demand for good oil in our cars than naturally aspirated engines. for those of you who like to drag race at every stoplight, and gun it as fast as you can every time you're on the highway, you should consider changing your oil around 5,000-7,500 miles with a high quality synthetic oil. 7,500-10,000 if you're a normal driver that likes to get on it from time to time, or 10,000-15,000 if you're a grandma that likes to get groceries every now and then.


you can send your oil to a lab to have it analyzed. that's the only way you can really tell if the viscosity has broken down. the dark color really doesn't mean the oil is bad.

if you have a higher mileage car, you eventually develop cracks or blemishes in the cylinder walls. these get filled in with oil and other small deposits, which "seal" them back up. if you change your oil too frequently, these seals will basically flush out, and you can prematurely wear the piston seals by the way they rub against the cracks and blemishes on the cylinder walls.

hundreds of tests have been done between different types of high quality synthetic fluids, and frankly, I don't know what study to believe anymore. they're all good: motul, castrol syn, lucas oil, redline, mobil 1, royal purple. all of those are great, and will be way more than enough to get the job done for a majority of drivers out there. if you track your car frequenly, it's a very different story. there is a much higher demand for better oil, and quicker change intervals.

Wow...very informative - that makes sense. I guess that puts me in the 7500-10000 range.

[davis449]

haha never saw this. Your dealer tells you to change your oil every 3k, because he makes money on oil changes. Service intervals are set by Audi engineers for normal driving. If you drive the car hard...then 5-6k is probably best, but 3k is the dinosaur oil standard...not synthetic.

Yeah, i was gonna say this. I change mine every 5K.

[kitae80325]

where do you get he race oil? you don't think it's overkill for street use? give me your reasons please

i say if you're chipped u should probably use motul.....u don't have to......but u'll probably benefit from it...remember, audi probably chose to use castrol synthetic based on their stock engine....our chipped engine produces much more hp + heat etc...but again.....u don't have to

[kitae80325]

the whole 3000 mile oil change was a marketing gimmick to get people to change their oil more frequently. it's not necessarily bad for your car, but you are dumping oil that is still perfectly fine out of your car.

oil change intervals really should depend on your driving habits. if you're putting a lot of miles on your car in a short period of time, towing, driving in high temperatures, or just redlining the crap out of your engine and driving very hard, you should change more frequently. plus, our cars are turbocharged, and i believe our turbos are oil cooled, so there is more demand for good oil in our cars than naturally aspirated engines. for those of you who like to drag race at every stoplight, and gun it as fast as you can every time you're on the highway, you should consider changing your oil around 5,000-7,500 miles with a high quality synthetic oil. 7,500-10,000 if you're a normal driver that likes to get on it from time to time, or 10,000-15,000 if you're a grandma that likes to get groceries every now and then.


you can send your oil to a lab to have it analyzed. that's the only way you can really tell if the viscosity has broken down. the dark color really doesn't mean the oil is bad.

if you have a higher mileage car, you eventually develop cracks or blemishes in the cylinder walls. these get filled in with oil and other small deposits, which "seal" them back up. if you change your oil too frequently, these seals will basically flush out, and you can prematurely wear the piston seals by the way they rub against the cracks and blemishes on the cylinder walls.

hundreds of tests have been done between different types of high quality synthetic fluids, and frankly, I don't know what study to believe anymore. they're all good: motul, castrol syn, lucas oil, redline, mobil 1, royal purple. all of those are great, and will be way more than enough to get the job done for a majority of drivers out there. if you track your car frequenly, it's a very different story. there is a much higher demand for better oil, and quicker change intervals.

yea...i just don't get people changing every 3k on their bimmers and audis they think they're doin it cuz they care so much for their car it's just waste of time and money....no matter how many times u tell them to stop, they keep changing every 3k...........................

[Brillo]

The color of the oil mean virtually nothing. I've had my oil analyzed by Blackstone Labs about every other oil change for the first 35,000 miles. They check for a number of different things that tell you a lot about engine wear and the useful lifetime of the oil.

They check for water, gas, and antifreeze content in the oil to see if you have any gasket problems or cooling system leaks. They check the total base number (TBN) which counteracts the acidic products of combustion that slowly contaminate the oil. When the base number gets low that's the main indicator to change the oil.

They also check the viscosity to make sure it still has the proper lubrication properties. Viscosity can break down in two ways, by the normal mechanical shearing of the oil molecules within the bearings or between the rings and cylinder walls or thermally, in cases where you are running hot for prolonged periods.

The detergent properties are usually not a problem and are not typically the attribute that necessitates an oil change. I am fairly hard on my car. I've found from these analyses that I can easily go 8 to 9K miles between oil changes. I believe that changing the oil at 5k or less is a colossal waste of resources, time, and money. Racing oils are not good for everyday use in automobiles.

If you want to learn something about motor oil performance read the treatise at the following site. Forget the fact that the study was sponsored by Amsoil and just read it for content.

http://www.oilweb1.com/Technical_Inf...Comparison.pdf

[carguy138]

The big problem with 10-15k oil change intervals is not necessarily the quality of the oil but the oil filter. Even if the oil does appear usable after 10k miles, the element breaks down and can fall apart. If you decide to do these 10k intervals you should be changing the filter ever 5k miles.

Of everyone who have posted saying 10-15k intervals are fine, how many of you do the oil change yourself and actually inspect the filter? I don't believe for one moment that you can change oil too much.

My experience- I purchased my CPO/ still remaining factory warranty B7 A4 with around 39k miles. When I purchased the car I requested to see service interval history and the oil had been changed at 34k, with my 45k mile service coming up at 44k (previous owner did the service about a thousand miles early. Anyways at around 41k miles I changed the oil myself and noticed a few interesting things...

1). The oil was pitch black and had bits of crap in it.
2). The filter element was falling apart and had pieces missing.
3). Found a piece of the element IN the oil that was drained from the car.

This was at 7k miles, I wouldn't even want to think what could have happened if I drove the car for another 3k.

My advise, you can convince yourself that these 10-15k oil change intervals are fine but I will never take the chance and allow marketing executives determine how to take care of my car.

Case in point- BMW and Audi's "Lifetime transmission fluid". I am not sure about Audi but I do know that BMW was taken to court over this and eventually changed the service requirement to 100k. Secondly, take a look at Audi and BMW recommended maintenance prior to these warranties and you will be surprised at what you see. Both companies used to recommend 3-5k oil change intervals prior to when they had to foot the bill for maintenance.

Cliff notes- Doing an oil change every 10-15k miles is a gamble. A turbocharged engine is much harder on heat cycling oil and I don't see why anyone would want to take this much risk for no perceivable benefit other than to save a few bucks. While the oil may still be usable, the filter will be trashed.

[Brillo]

Carguy138 makes a few very good points. He has some interesting experience with oil filters falling apart. No way to argue with his observations but to relate my own experiences. For many years I have purchased the highest quality filters I can because I believe this is not something to skimp on.

In all the years of changing my oil and filters I have never seen a filter fall apart in the manner that carguy138 describes. And I have cut many filters open to examine them and read many of the dissertations on the Net about filter quality.

Audi filters from Mann and Mahle are very high quality filters and the companies that produce them are very reputable. While I do not advocate 15,000 mile oil change intervals I would be surprised if a Mann filter would ever break down in that interval. If anyone has experience otherwise please let us know.
The point I was making in the previous post is not to arbitrarily pick and oil change interval but to pick a conservative interval based on facts, and the only way I know of doing that is to spend a little money and have your oil analyzed.

If filters are breaking down it will show up in the analysis. At the 8 to 10K mile intervals the analyses prove to me (and friends that do the same thing) that there is very little measurable degradation of the oil in viscosity, corrosion protection (TBN), detergent dispersive ability, or any other attribute known contributes to sound lubrication of an IC engine.

Additionally, a single comprehensive oil analysis costs less that a DIY oil change, so if you have concerns about the oil and filter you use or your change interval I would recommend an oil analysis.