I was told I could not remote start...true??

[ohSIXb7]

I went to 2 audio, misc lectrocnis installers today and they told me I could not install a remote starter on my car because of something with the key and an override. I have no clue what they are talking about. My sister got me a Viper remote starter for the holidays and I really wanted to use it since my car now sits outside. I have searched and read the other threads and none of them bring up the topic of having an issue with the key. Please help me out, thanks

[African2.7T]

its possible if your car is stick yes the stealership would tell you that but despite the fact u might need to get an additional bypass but it is possible.

[EMAXX]

My parents store does remote starters on Audi's all the time. I just helped with an install on an A6 the other day...

[plokm]

you need a immoblizer bypass

[barkerd427]

It is possible, but it will void parts of your warranty and it may cause you to pay more for insurance if they find out. Or they may not cover you if they think that the override had something to do with the issue. Just keep it a secret from them and find a knowledgeable place to get it installed.

[Quattro]

bypass is your friend, can be done..I havent done mine yet, will soon once I get some other goodies.

-randy

[ed@mtl]

I have a remote starter and like everyone mention, you need a bypass modular.

[Sharkfin]

If you plan on leaving the car on to warm it up then a remote start is a bad idea fyi

[ohSIXb7]

If you plan on leaving the car on to warm it up then a remote start is a bad idea fyi

Can you explain why? Thanks

[Sharkfin]

here is the thread where it was discussed last week: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...&highlight=oil

[CapstoneJHS]

here is the thread where it was discussed last week: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...&highlight=oil

yea, but you still gave no real technical data to back up your claim. I simply stopped arguing with you.

If your engine was THAT easily damaged, Audi would be going out of business.

[Sharkfin]

I'm not grandstanding that's just what I've heard, and I don't think its the most damaging thing ever but I don't think its good for the car either. Geez

[CapstoneJHS]

Simply DRIVING your car isn't good for the car. It's like the saying, "Once you're born, you're dying..."

[Sharkfin]

I'm not disagreeing, sorry that your getting upset I'm just throwing that point out there.

[B7A4Sport]

I understand it is actually the opposite of what you're saying nsmith......I don't know about you, but I was told by my Audi service tech to let the car idle after turning it on for the first time in the morning until the RPMs lower down.

Whenever I start mine, it sits at about 1,100-1,200 rpm for the first minute or so. Then, after that minute, it will lower itself down to about 800 - 900 rpm. This process allows the engine and oil to "warm up" before driving. If the parts are all super-cold from sitting outside overnight, they have physically contracted and become more rigid which could increase the risk of a problem.

I'm with the other guy, in that I fail to see the logic behind stating that idling the car for a minute or two could be overtly bad in any way.

[elwigglero]

I understand it is actually the opposite of what you're saying nsmith......I don't know about you, but I was told by my Audi service tech to let the car idle after turning it on for the first time in the morning until the RPMs lower down.

Whenever I start mine, it sits at about 1,100-1,200 rpm for the first minute or so. Then, after that minute, it will lower itself down to about 800 - 900 rpm. This process allows the engine and oil to "warm up" before driving. If the parts are all super-cold from sitting outside overnight, they have physically contracted and become more rigid which could increase the risk of a problem.

I'm with the other guy, in that I fail to see the logic behind stating that idling the car for a minute or two could be overtly bad in any way.

That's not what he means. Obviously the idle has to drop, but you shouldn't leave the car running for extended periods of time to raise the oil temp. This can damage the cat and only warms up the oil and coolant, while neglecting to warm up transmission, brake etc. fluids.

Final answer on this...Start the car, let the rpms drop to steady idle, drive gently and stay out of boost until oil is at operating temperature. For some reason the B7 doesn't have an oil temp gauge, so use your judgement there.

[B7A4Sport]

That's not what he means. Obviously the idle has to drop, but you shouldn't leave the car running for extended periods of time to raise the oil temp. This can damage the cat and only warms up the oil and coolant, while neglecting to warm up transmission, brake etc. fluids.

Final answer on this...Start the car, let the rpms drop to steady idle, drive gently and stay out of boost until oil is at operating temperature. For some reason the B7 doesn't have an oil temp gauge, so use your judgement there.

Who said anything about "leaving the car running for extended periods of time to raise the oil temp"?

I think the OP just wants to do exactly what I mentioned and let the idle drop occur before walking out to the car - I know I'd love to bypass that minute or so of being hunched over, blowing into my hands while I wait to drive off. You're assuming an awful lot just to have a chance to correct someone, imo.

[Alkemix]

This is what i've HEARD. I don't know if technically this is 100% true:

Overnight, oil drips downwards into the pan and coverage on engine parts are minimal. During Idle, the oil pump does not exert enough pressure in order to redistribute the oil across all the engine parts. By running you car in idle, on cold starts, for extended periods of time, you're basically allowing your engine to be run with splashes of oil hitting it, rather than the gobs than can be pumped while in actual operation. It don't believe that revving in idle is also a good idea.

[Sharkfin]

I understand it is actually the opposite of what you're saying nsmith......I don't know about you, but I was told by my Audi ser
ice tech to let the car idle after turning it on for the first time in the morning until the RPMs lower down.

Whenever I start mine, it sits at about 1,100-1,200 rpm for the first minute or so. Then, after that minute, it will lower itself down to about 800 - 900 rpm. This process allows the engine and oil to "warm up" before driving. If the parts are all super-cold from sitting outside overnight, they have physically contracted and become more rigid which could increase the risk of a problem.

I'm with the other guy, in that I fail to see the logic behind stating that idling the car for a minute or two could be overtly bad in any way.

I mean let it go for the turbo to warm up and the rpms drop yes, but that's 30 secs at the most. I mean don't let it sit idle for longer than a couple minutes

The reason I think most people hurt their car is they leave it outside warming up for 5-10 minutes with the remote start when its freezing in the AM, that's what I am saying is bad

[elwigglero]

Who said anything about "leaving the car running for extended periods of time to raise the oil temp"?

I think the OP just wants to do exactly what I mentioned and let the idle drop occur before walking out to the car - I know I'd love to bypass that minute or so of being hunched over, blowing into my hands while I wait to drive off. You're assuming an awful lot just to have a chance to correct someone, imo.

The phrase commonly referred to in the thread is "to warm it up." What am I assuming again?

What exactly are you "warming up" in the 60 seconds it takes for the idle to drop? Fluids "warm up"...This takes much longer than a minute or two. I'm not chomping at the bit to correct you...just providing some info.

[B7A4Sport]

I went to 2 audio, misc lectrocnis installers today and they told me I could not install a remote starter on my car because of something with the key and an override. I have no clue what they are talking about. My sister got me a Viper remote starter for the holidays and I really wanted to use it since my car now sits outside. I have searched and read the other threads and none of them bring up the topic of having an issue with the key. Please help me out, thanks

Nowhere in the OP's first post do I see the phrase "warm up" or anything denoting the fact he intends to leave it running for 5-10 minutes. I am not disputing the fact that leaving it idling for that long is bad at all. I'm disputing how much opposition is being shown considering there isn't any reason to believe he'll do what you are mentioning. All that is needed is a friendly recommendation not to idle it for 5-10 minutes, and not alarmist approaches that would make him feel nervous about installing something to his car that would be quite useful in reality.

[Alkemix]

Nowhere in the OP's first post do I see the phrase "warm up" or anything denoting the fact he intends to leave it running for 5-10 minutes. I'm not disputing the fact that doing so will mess up the car, I'm merely disputing the relevence of bringing it up as if that's what the OP intends to do.

He does later.

If you plan on leaving the car on to warm it up then a remote start is a bad idea fyi

Can you explain why? Thanks

Anyways, I'd get remote start simply because of the fact that our cars didn't come with push start, which other manufacturers were willing to include in mid years for a single body style.

[elwigglero]

Nowhere in the OP's first post do I see the phrase "warm up" or anything denoting the fact he intends to leave it running for 5-10 minutes. I am not disputing the fact that leaving it idling for that long is bad. What I am disputing is the fact it sounds like you're telling him not to install this feature at all because it could be harmful to the car. As long as he doesn't do what you both seem to be assuming he's going to do, the feature will be a nice convenience. It's a gift from a family member, no less, and I'm sure he wants to feel good about putting it to use. Nothing more is needed than a recommendation of how to properly use the feature, not an approach that makes him feel nervous about using something that is actually quite useful and safe.

What do you want from me, buddy? People with remote starters have the tendency to run the car for extended periods of time, especially in the winter, to come out to a nice and toasty car. That's the reason people get them. I'm commenting on the simple fact that this is not an ideal start up procedure for a B7 A4 2.0t. I'm sure the OP is old enough to drive and therefore, make his own (now informed) decision on installing a remote starter.

Good luck OP. Sorry for the rants.

[B7A4Sport]

That's all that should've been said, is what I'm saying; something like "great gift! Just be careful not to let the car idle for 5-10 minutes or it could cause problems, otherwise it's a nifty feature" is all that was necessary.

Instead, the approach came off as discouraging and that adding remote start at all is a bad idea. Ugh.......just let the guy enjoy his nice gift!

[agorich]

my question to you all, not to be the a-hole but...how long have you all been driving and when have you ever had to bring your car in for work due to warming it up? i'm pretty sure its rare if at all that that would be the case. i've warmed up for 10 mins, i'm driving off instantly and i've waited a minute or two....drove past 3k and into boost...or i didn't. i'm just saying...its all good. yeah, thats pretty much it. but, i do also want to state that i could have a remote starter. this way i can warm it up before i go to work/leave from work. its in the single digits w/ the damn wind chill!!!

[cstarky15]

^^Poor guy in TX that with wind chills its single numbers. In MN we are in negative number with out wind chill. But I don't have a remote start and don't mind, you can have one if the person installing it knows what they are doing.

[elwigglero]

have you ever had to bring your car in for work due to warming it up? i'm pretty sure its rare if at all that that would be the case. i've warmed up for 10 mins, i'm driving off instantly and i've waited a minute or two....drove past 3k and into boost...or i didn't. i'm just saying...its all good.

Ok. It's all good.

Obviously, I'm talking about the longevity of engine internals and specifically the turbo. I didn't want to start some kind of argument here, but anyone that has any legitimate knowledge base regarding the inner workings of an internal combustion engine with forced induction, will agree that boosting while your oil still has the consistency of molasses will absolutely, without a doubt cause premature engine and turbo wear. If you don't care, then fine.

Nothing against remote starts. I really wish my car came with one from factory, but there is a proper warming procedure. The manual outlines it pretty clearly. What do Audi engineers know though? Just tell em, "it's all good."

[barkerd427]

Idling isn't putting your car into boost. I love it when you guys argue about this, because no one ever has hard facts they just have "I heard's". Also, the manual's sole purpose for stating that you should not let the car warm up is for the environmental factor.

[B7A4Sport]

Ok, so to be definitive........

OP, go for it, remote start will not harm your car. It's a great gift idea, and one I wish I had on my car as well. I'm not dealing with single-digit or negative temperatures, but it still is nice to come out to a toasty car. To be safe, and for that matter to save gas, I wouldn't remote start much before you put on your shoes to walk out the door, but I also wouldn't really worry at all. Thousands of cars, both with turbos and without, have this feature installed either from the factory or aftermarket, so enjoy it!

[Who Needs 8]

This is what i've HEARD. I don't know if technically this is 100% true:

Overnight, oil drips downwards into the pan and coverage on engine parts are minimal. During Idle, the oil pump does not exert enough pressure in order to redistribute the oil across all the engine parts. By running you car in idle, on cold starts, for extended periods of time, you're basically allowing your engine to be run with splashes of oil hitting it, rather than the gobs than can be pumped while in actual operation. It don't believe that revving in idle is also a good idea.

Wow if that were the case, engines would be seizing up left and right.

Engine's are NEVER designed where the oil pump can not exert enough pressure to distribute oil across the entire engine at idle. That would be stupid.

Unfortunately our Audi's don't have an oil pressure gauge. Have you ever had a car that has on oil pressure gauge? Did you ever pay attention to it? Most people don't pay attention to them, which is why they're rarely used.

An oil pressure gauge would prove all of this talk you guys are arguing about "not enough oil" is bunk. As soon as you turn a car on, the oil pressure rises to optimal pressure in less than 5 seconds. And that’s with out revving the idle. Generally, the oil pressure sensor is located near the top end of the engine. Obviously, over the life of the engine the pressure will gradually drop. But as long as the oil pump is operating, Oil will be distributed to the vital components quickly and consistently at idle.

Here’s the other thing: cold oil means higher oil pressure. I don’t care what you guys say or think; the oil pump is designed to pick up thick cold oil quickly in under 5 seconds. Again, if this were not the fact engines would be seizing up left and right. Those engineers in Germany are experts for a reason.

By the grace of God, I live in Texas so I don’t have to worry about changing my oil for the seasons. But some of you Yankees up north who think that idling a car in the cold is bad might want to consider what oil your running each winter.

This is completely a generic example, not Audi specific: 5w-30 takes 10 seconds to reach the valve train at 15 degrees Fahrenheit, compared to 20 seconds for 10w-30. Even worse, while 5w-30 is flowing freely in 40 seconds 10w-30 weight takes up to three minutes. Even better, consider switching to a synthetic oil, which will flow freely in 15 seconds at 15 degrees.

[Koby]

I totally disagree with the assertion that the crank isn't spinning fast enough at idle to properly lubricate the motor. Think about how tight the tolerances are inside the cylinder... the oil can't help but circulate.

Back to the good advice mentioned in the other thread, keep in mind that once you start driving, you still need to wait for everything else to properly warm up too.

Back to the OPs question, all you should need to do is bypass the clutch, unless Audi has some weird electrical blocks in place. Also keep in mind you will not be able to park your car in gear if you plan to use the remote start, unless you want to crash your car into whatever it's parked next to that is...