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    Veteran Member Four Rings Starting's Avatar
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    Who needs fancy electronics...

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    Step 1 of V8 conversion: Rip everything and anything out of the car.

    Step 2: Sell all my mods and audi parts to fund v8 project. Keep an eye out for anything listed in my signature link.

    Step 3: Clean and smooth everything on the car and prepare to put a big engine in.






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    Veteran Member Four Rings biketsai's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    WOW
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    Veteran Member Four Rings djwimbo's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Track car!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ... do I sense a build thread soon? NTM I'm jealous. I want to strip my car down like that. There's so much crap that you don't need in our cars.
    "Thank god I had my body, because it felt so good."

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    Veteran Member Four Rings andyrew's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    1. Awesome.

    2. What engine, and what power level goals?

    3. Keeping Quattro? If not, what trani?

    4. Awesome

    5. Purpose of car?

    6. Tell me its getting painted flat black.

    7. Go with 3" magnaflows.

    8. You have to try it with a Q jet carb. At least once. The power is not the reason here... OMG the sound.

    9. Awesome

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    Veteran Member Four Rings SoFresh's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    When you say smooth everything out... can you please also go widebody such as an DTM widebody track car....? lol

    Going to be a sweet project to follow and keep an eye on
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    Veteran Member Four Rings Don Supreme's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Awesome ---

    move to project forum.

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    you dont fuck around dude
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    Veteran Member Four Rings Starting's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    1. Awesome.

    2. What engine, and what power level goals?

    3. Keeping Quattro? If not, what trani?

    4. Awesome


    5. Purpose of car?

    6. Tell me its getting painted flat black.

    7. Go with 3" magnaflows.

    8. You have to try it with a Q jet carb. At least once. The power is not the reason here... OMG the sound.

    9. Awesome


    1. Thanks

    2. Not 100% on the engine setup as of right now. That will depend on the budget from me selling my bt kit, mods, trans, all the little bits and peices that arent going to be reused.

    3. Going rwd for now. That sounds more fun to me. This goes along with 2.

    5. Fun. Low loud mean fast.

    6. Maybe. I have a few ideas up my sleeve.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Starting's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoFresh View Post
    When you say smooth everything out... can you please also go widebody such as an DTM widebody track car....? lol

    Going to be a sweet project to follow and keep an eye on

    Widebody will be finished as a part of the project. When I say smooth alot of stuff will be filled, waiting to just be cut apart again to fit the engine.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings andyrew's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Whats your projected budget? 3k? 5k? 10k?

    You know your going to have to get a bigger radiator right?

    See the cars in my garage.. I have a little bit of experience in shoehorning v8's in places they werent supposed to go...

    What are you going to do for the rear end? axle? Or are you going to go custom driveshaft to link the Audi rear to whatever trani you go with (Blowing CV's is going to be a problem here..)?



    If there was a way to keep the quattro.. I would... with about 500lbs of tq on tap and the Diff mod, you could light up the tires like nobody's buisness... V8's are WAAAAY different from turbo 4's in regards to making TQ and spinning the tires.. However the cost for that would be over the roof...

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    Active Member Four Rings bassed's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Rich like I said on AW if you want a hand any weekend let me know. This is going to be a hell of a project, time consuming but worth every second!

    Kudos for always shooting for the stars and reaching:)

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    Veteran Member Four Rings djwimbo's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by andyrew View Post
    You know your going to have to get a bigger radiator right?
    I'm not sold on that one yet. The stock M/T radiator is used in 034's Time attack car, that thing is making >700bhp and staying cool. I'd be willing to give it a shot on the stock one. Obviously with electric fans though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starting View Post
    2. Not 100% on the engine setup as of right now. That will depend on the budget from me selling my bt kit, mods, trans, all the little bits and peices that arent going to be reused.

    3. Going rwd for now. That sounds more fun to me. This goes along with 2.
    *puts flame suit on*
    LS1 + T56? RWD, pretty close to stock weight, and 320+whp on a simple tune and exhaust? Pretty please?
    "Thank god I had my body, because it felt so good."

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Starting's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by andyrew View Post
    Whats your projected budget? 3k? 5k? 10k?

    You know your going to have to get a bigger radiator right?

    See the cars in my garage.. I have a little bit of experience in shoehorning v8's in places they werent supposed to go...

    What are you going to do for the rear end? axle? Or are you going to go custom driveshaft to link the Audi rear to whatever trani you go with (Blowing CV's is going to be a problem here..)?



    If there was a way to keep the quattro.. I would... with about 500lbs of tq on tap and the Diff mod, you could light up the tires like nobody's buisness... V8's are WAAAAY different from turbo 4's in regards to making TQ and spinning the tires.. However the cost for that would be over the roof...
    Budget is hopefully going to be around 5k. Going to need a lot of new stuff. Just going to take the project step by step. Have access to a machine shop and am not afraid to cut weld and just make it fit. Might end up with a different suspension setup design. This is all stuff way down the road. Like I said step by step and I will keep you guys updated.

    http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech...-complete.html

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    Veteran Member Four Rings djwimbo's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Dude, I can't believe it's already been done.

    F- BAT on 1.8T's I'm puttin an LSX in this biotch
    "Thank god I had my body, because it felt so good."

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    Veteran Member Four Rings andyrew's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by djwimbo View Post
    I'm not sold on that one yet. The stock M/T radiator is used in 034's Time attack car, that thing is making >700bhp and staying cool. I'd be willing to give it a shot on the stock one. Obviously with electric fans though.



    *puts flame suit on*
    LS1 + T56? RWD, pretty close to stock weight, and 320+whp on a simple tune and exhaust? Pretty please?
    HP is not the issue here. There is twice as much cooling that is needed at idle and cruise as there is 2x as many cylinders and iron that is needed to be cool. Your not going to overheat doing 20 second full throttle runs, your going to overheat at 70mph on the freeway, or at 30mph in stop and go traffic.

    Trust me. I have built my own radiator system for my Porsche 914 with a 350 SBC running fuel injection.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings anmagro's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    LS1? Ah man, the power. But....dont you think thats a little, idk, i think an Audi V8 would sit alot better in my mind then an LS1. I love Chevy, but, come on.
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    Veteran Member Four Rings djwimbo's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by andyrew View Post
    HP is not the issue here. There is twice as much cooling that is needed at idle and cruise as there is 2x as many cylinders and iron that is needed to be cool. Your not going to overheat doing 20 second full throttle runs, your going to overheat at 70mph on the freeway, or at 30mph in stop and go traffic
    I'm not going to doubt your experiences with installing and iron block V8. However the LSx engines are Aluminum block/head. Fully assembled oil pan to valve cover weighs less than an Audi 2.8L. As far as cooling goes, as long as you run the '00+ water pump you won't have an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by anmagro View Post
    LS1? Ah man, the power. But....dont you think thats a little, idk, i think an Audi V8 would sit alot better in my mind then an LS1. I love Chevy, but, come on.
    Obviously you haven't been in a 10 sec car recently. They(LSx's) are relatively easy to work on, and maintenance is almost non existent, other than oil changes. You never have to worry about heat soak or lag. The Vette was gettin 28+ mpg on the highway, in stock form. Modded and >400whp it was getting 24-25mpg highway.
    That Vette was about even with weight as my car, I just want that power and my drivetrain.
    "Thank god I had my body, because it felt so good."

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    This calls for a Ram Jet 350 and a built 700R4. Maybe a 12 bolt rear end too.

    This should be very interesting, Good luck

    -Joe

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Don Supreme's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    RWDDDDDDDDDDD oh dear........... just buy a vette then man.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings djwimbo's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by slojoe View Post
    This calls for a Ram Jet 350 and a built 700R4. Maybe a 12 bolt rear end too.
    700R4's are junk. If you're going auto 4L80E, but I prefer the M/T.

    If any of you guys know about the guy & his dad swapping LS1's into E36's. I went to school with that guy, he's not a genius or anything, just creative.
    "Thank god I had my body, because it felt so good."

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    You could possibly fit the GTO rear end in there with custom axles since it is irs.

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by djwimbo View Post
    I'm not going to doubt your experiences with installing and iron block V8. However the LSx engines are Aluminum block/head. Fully assembled oil pan to valve cover weighs less than an Audi 2.8L. As far as cooling goes, as long as you run the '00+ water pump you won't have an issue.



    Obviously you haven't been in a 10 sec car recently. They(LSx's) are relatively easy to work on, and maintenance is almost non existent, other than oil changes. You never have to worry about heat soak or lag. The Vette was gettin 28+ mpg on the highway, in stock form. Modded and >400whp it was getting 24-25mpg highway.
    That Vette was about even with weight as my car, I just want that power and my drivetrain.

    He's not going to be able to go LSx with his budget. (Unless he picks up a LS1 Camaro for 4k, parts it and keeps the drivetrain...)

    Enough said.

    Besides he said he wants carbs..

    He's got a LOT of money in fabrication that he needs to keep in mind. The mounting of the engine and trani are going to be completely custom, he's going to have to cut the floorpan for the trani. He'll need to either go with a custom solid driveshaft to link the GM trani to the audi rear end (In which he'll need to go with some stronger CV joints as I can bet they are not strong enough for the job), or he'll need to go with a live axle rear end and do a bunch of custom work to get the audi suspension and such to work right (easier way is driveshaft method IMHO).

    Thats going to be a lot in materials, time, and machining costs..

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Starting's Avatar
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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    The good thing is that all the fab is just time and materials. I have access to basic things at home and have a ful machine/welding shop I can go over to fabricate things in.

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Did you and Siena make a bet yet?
    Village Idiot!!!

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    [QUOTE=djwimbo;3163151]700R4's are junk. If you're going auto 4L80E, but I prefer the M/T.

    Yeah forgot need to get my head out of the Landcruiser style. Good thing I didn't say NV4500.

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Quote Originally Posted by djwimbo View Post
    I'm not sold on that one yet. The stock M/T radiator is used in 034's Time attack car, that thing is making >700bhp and staying cool. I'd be willing to give it a shot on the stock one. Obviously with electric fans though.

    But yet the Audi coupe with the Audi V8 that 034 used in the USCC was over heating every time the car was out on the track and that car was only making 256 whp.

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Any updates?

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    Wow, havent seen anything in a while. Looks like a good start, good luck and keep the updates coming.

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    he could keep the stock audi rear end, dont see why it wouldn't work

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    Re: Who needs fancy electronics...

    im going to keep an eye on this thread

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