Intercooler in a 3.0?

[Frey7190]

I know im going to ruffle some peoples feathers by asking this but.....

As far as I know intercoolers are only for Turbocharged engines. But I swear I ran into someone the other day who had a naturally aspirated (VW jetta 2.5) who had his Vdub intercooled. It got me thinking what would I gain or get if I did it to my 3.0.... Other than being able to flash that cool silver intercooler in my grille !

[AudiA4Turbo22]

an intercooler makes the air that goes from ur turbo to ur motor cool u don't have a turbo/supercharger so no. get a bigger radiator.

[phantom b6]

insert forehead slapping emoticon here

you know what.... this reminds me of a story.

Back in the summer at one of my local car meets these 2 dudes roll up in a Camry. One dude takes a look at my FMIC and goes:

YO DUDE I GOTS AN AUDI TOO....
uh huh...
YEAH MAN.... I LIKE DAT ENGINE ON DA FRONT.
Um thanks.
YEAH MAN I GOT AN A6 I WANT ONE
(Silly me for thinking 2.7T) What engine?
IS A 3.0... SO WHERE DO I GET AN ENGINE ON THE FRONT
Go to ebay... search engine on the front
IMA DO DAT... THANKS

[AudiA4Turbo22]

[dak360rt]

i could be wrong, but it would seem to me that cooling an intake charge, whether its compressed or not, would create more power.

cooler intake charge => more dense air => more fuel => more power. So it theory adding an intercooler would help....

with that said i think its most likely not worth the hassle im sure that the incoming air isnt that hot to begin with and i doubt that you would cool the air enough to make any sort of a significant difference. Intercoolers have been around forever with force induction cars, and our cars are very well engineered and im sure that Audi and other manufacturers looked at intercooling N/A cars at point in time and obviously its something that isnt done from the factory.

To each his own, do the set up and run some IAT logs and see if it makes a difference

Marty

[infernocl]

eh, just do a cold air intake if IAT is an issue on a naturally aspirated car

[phantom b6]

i could be wrong, but it would seem to me that cooling an intake charge, whether its compressed or not, would create more power.

cooler intake charge => more dense air => more fuel => more power. So it theory adding an intercooler would help....

with that said i think its most likely not worth the hassle im sure that the incoming air isnt that hot to begin with and i doubt that you would cool the air enough to make any sort of a significant difference. Intercoolers have been around forever with force induction cars, and our cars are very well engineered and im sure that Audi and other manufacturers looked at intercooling N/A cars at point in time and obviously its something that isnt done from the factory.

To each his own, do the set up and run some IAT logs and see if it makes a difference

Marty

Well the deal is an intercooler is there because compressed air is coming from the turbo and needs to be cooled at some point. Hence the intercooler core. A N/A engine doesn't have a compressor generating heat, so to get cooler air all you have to do is do a CAI. Piping into a wheel well for example where the air is colder. Problem solved.

[vdubstreets]

interfooler

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^i'd so buy that haha that looks awesome mad props for the coolest ricer mod ever haha.

[Das General]

Dude totally put an intercooler on your car.

[mike-2ptzero]

i could be wrong, but it would seem to me that cooling an intake charge, whether its compressed or not, would create more power.

cooler intake charge => more dense air => more fuel => more power. So it theory adding an intercooler would help....

with that said i think its most likely not worth the hassle im sure that the incoming air isnt that hot to begin with and i doubt that you would cool the air enough to make any sort of a significant difference. Intercoolers have been around forever with force induction cars, and our cars are very well engineered and im sure that Audi and other manufacturers looked at intercooling N/A cars at point in time and obviously its something that isnt done from the factory.

To each his own, do the set up and run some IAT logs and see if it makes a difference

Marty

Now someone needs to slap you in the head too.


A FMIC will only bring the air inside of it back to ambient temps. If the car is NA the air being sucked into the intake is already at that temp so using a FMIC isn't going to make any changes. Now if the person was using a Air/Water setup that has ice cold water in it or something will bring the temps down below ambient temp then thats a whole different story, but this would just mean the air needs to travel a much longer distance before it gets to the engine and that is BAD. This is why people with NA cars use nitrous.

It seems some people actually need to know what a product actual does before they actually make comments on why it should be used.

[afozzie40]

just lift it, snorkels, prerunner lights, dakar style

[B6Lovin]

if you want colder air get meth or nitrous...

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^check ur PM's

[dak360rt]

Now someone needs to slap you in the head too.


A FMIC will only bring the air inside of it back to ambient temps. If the car is NA the air being sucked into the intake is already at that temp so using a FMIC isn't going to make any changes. Now if the person was using a Air/Water setup that has ice cold water in it or something will bring the temps down below ambient temp then thats a whole different story, but this would just mean the air needs to travel a much longer distance before it gets to the engine and that is BAD. This is why people with NA cars use nitrous.

It seems some people actually need to know what a product actual does before they actually make comments on why it should be used.

Ok...
I know what an intercooler does.
I realize that you dont want the intake air to have to travel any further than it already has to.
I said in my post that it is probably "not worth the hassle im sure that the incoming air isnt that hot to begin with"

So my question back to you, if you are driving and its 40 degrees outside you are telling me that the air that is about to be dumped into the cylinder is also 40 degrees and cant be cooled down any further than it already is?

[Torqie]

Now someone needs to slap you in the head too.


A FMIC will only bring the air inside of it back to ambient temps. If the car is NA the air being sucked into the intake is already at that temp so using a FMIC isn't going to make any changes. Now if the person was using a Air/Water setup that has ice cold water in it or something will bring the temps down below ambient temp then thats a whole different story, but this would just mean the air needs to travel a much longer distance before it gets to the engine and that is BAD. This is why people with NA cars use nitrous.

It seems some people actually need to know what a product actual does before they actually make comments on why it should be used.

+1

[Torqie]

Ok...
I know what an intercooler does.
I realize that you dont want the intake air to have to travel any further than it already has to.
I said in my post that it is probably "not worth the hassle im sure that the incoming air isnt that hot to begin with"

So my question back to you, if you are driving and its 40 degrees outside you are telling me that the air that is about to be dumped into the cylinder is also 40 degrees and cant be cooled down any further than it already is?

use water/meth?? nitrous?? a IC is not going to cool down your IAT any more then what it takes in from the intake. the air that is outside cooling the air in your piping is the same temp as when the air entered your intake.

edit: sorry if you guys cant understand what I wrote, I am headed to bed.. dead tired (2:30 am)

[dak360rt]

if you are driving and its 40 degrees outside you are telling me that the air that is about to be dumped into the cylinder is also 40 degrees and cant be cooled down any further than it already is?

i was gonna add besides water/meth but i was too lazy.

I guess i overestimated the added heat inside the engine bay and its effect on the air coming into the engine

[3.0 King]

IMO, a Charge cooler system is what would work best. A hood mod, fuel rail mod, and longer belt is needed. loction of all supporting parts is up to you. a charge cooler is a small radiator that slides between the m62 and the intake mani.

[mike-2ptzero]

IMO, a Charge cooler system is what would work best. A hood mod, fuel rail mod, and longer belt is needed. loction of all supporting parts is up to you. a charge cooler is a small radiator that slides between the m62 and the intake mani.

The thread is about adding a cooler to a NA 3.0 not one with a super charger. It seems you are talking about a setup for a 3.0 with a roots style super charger seeing that a longer belt is needed.

[davidlizard]

[Maverick]

a FMIC or DSMIC is useless for a 3.0.
a FMIC or DSMIC will be too expensive to make on a Forced Induction 3.0 such as a supercharged 3.0 because the work will be custom and it takes R&D to do it.

[Boosted3.0]

Now someone needs to slap you in the head too.


A FMIC will only bring the air inside of it back to ambient temps. If the car is NA the air being sucked into the intake is already at that temp so using a FMIC isn't going to make any changes. Now if the person was using a Air/Water setup that has ice cold water in it or something will bring the temps down below ambient temp then thats a whole different story, but this would just mean the air needs to travel a much longer distance before it gets to the engine and that is BAD. This is why people with NA cars use nitrous.

It seems some people actually need to know what a product actual does before they actually make comments on why it should be used.

I was about to post this exact statement...just not as blunt.

[doublezero30]

lets put this simply:

unless youre supercharged, forget the intercooler in the 3.0

/thread.

[diztek]

they do have turbo kits for the 2.5. maybe he was just preparing for it.

[Capt. Obvious]

Putting an intercooler on a naturally aspirated car is like wearing two condoms: you can do it, but it's not gonna help anything and you certainly won't feel it.

[onceover]

you have epic quotes.