Vag-Com question about locks?

[FlyGti]

I recently vag'd my 02 A4 so its in Canadian mode for daytime running lights and also windows closing via key fob. Since doing so I can no longer unlock my doors from inside the car unless I use the keyfob. Any idea what I might have screwed up?

[Turb_Oh_A4]

i dont know, but i have them both on my car and it works. does your passenger door switch do nothing as well?

[FlyGti]

Passenger lock does nothing as well. I can hear the normal click from all the doors when hitting the button but nothing happens.

[diagnosticator]

What is the current status of this situation? If still an isssue, what is the coding value stored in the Central Convienience Module?

[FlyGti]

It is still an issue. I will get you the coding value.

[diagnosticator]

Okay, that will help to figure out the problem.

[FlyGti]

Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortger·t T5B 0617
Coding: 11788
Shop #: WSC 63351

Part No: 8E1959801
Component: Tırsteuer.FS BRM 0002

Part No: 8E1959802E
Component: Tırsteuer.BF BRM 0002

Part No: 8E0959801A
Component: Tırsteuer.HL BRM 0002

Part No: 8E0959802A
Component: Tırsteuer.HR BRM 0002

13 Faults Found:
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00962 - Alarm via. Tilt Sensor
35-00 - -
01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch
35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01559 - Drivers Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01561 - Left Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01562 - Right Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
00935 - Electric Window Motor; Rear Right (V27)
62-10 - No or Incorrect Adjustment - Intermittent

[FlyGti]

diagnosticator?

[diagnosticator]

Reviewing the thread, you said you can't unlock the door from inside the car using the door mounted switch, right? There are two switches, one locks the doors, the other unlocks the doors. Or, depending on if latch safety is enabled or not, either one or two pulls of the latch handle is needed. From the coding chart:

+00001 = GB-Alarm (not USA)
+00002 = Confirmation Anti-Theft Warning System (Blink)
+00004 = Selective Central Locking (SCL)
+00008 = Anti-Theft Warning System
+00016 = Rear Lid Release Locking at 5 km/h
+00032 = Central Locking at 15 km/h (or 10 mph)
+00064 = Comfort Function via Remote Control (not USA)
+00128 = Right Hand Drive (RHD)
+00256 = Avant
+00512 = Confirmation Close via Remote (1x Blink)
+01024 = Confirmation Anti-Theft Warning Sytem Horn Activation
+02048 = Door-/Window Regulator Logic
+04096 = Thatcham Anti-Theft Warning (not USA)
+08192 = No Safe-Function
+16384 = Side Windows with Insulated Glass
Note: Coding is the sum of the individual options. Not all options apply for all control moduls!

Summing the Bold highlighted values above results with a coding value of "03710" Try this value for the coding in your Convenience Module.

Next, open adaptation channel 062 and enter the value "095" according to the individual features listed below:

Channel 062: Comfort Functions
+001 = Comfort closing via remote for window regulators (not USA)
+002 = Comfort opening via remote for window regulators (not USA)
+004 = Comfort closing via lock cylinder for window regulators
+008 = Comfort opening via lock cylinder for window regulators
+016 = Comfort closing via remote for sunroof (not USA)
+032 = Comfort opening via remote for sunroof (not realized)
+064 = Comfort closing via lock cylinder for sunroof
+128 = Comfort opening via lock cylinder for sunroof (not realized)
Note: Adaptation value is the sum of the individual options.


After coding the controller, clear the fault codes and then turn the ignition switch OFF for 1 min then test.


Please update with the results.

[FlyGti]

I tried what you said and it didn't work. Still getting the....
5 Faults Found:
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01561 - Left Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01562 - Right Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe

[diagnosticator]

I have the same DTCs as shown above, because of the country coding in the IC. It won't cause any problems functionally.
EDIT 01/01/10, Except disabling the inside door unlock buttons.

[Zoidbort]

Same thing is happening to mine as well

Address 46: Central Conv.
Controller: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortgerát T5B 0617
Coding: 11884
Shop #: WSC 63351
6 Faults Found:
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01561 - Left Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01562 - Right Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe

Are you adding the changed codes in Address 46?

[asutherland]

The exact same thing is happening to me as well. I have a USA 2002 A4 B6 1.8T, that has been VAG-COM'd for use in Canada. Can anyone please help?!

My interior door UNLOCK buttons don't work. I can hear it unlocking the trunk but that's it. The key fob does unlock all doors successfully. The LOCK buttons work fine.

VAG COM results:

Address 46: Central Conv.
Controller: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortgerát T5B 0617
Coding: 11852
Shop #: WSC 63351
5 Faults Found:
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01561 - Left Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01562 - Right Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe

[spector]

The exact same thing is happening to me as well. I have a USA 2002 A4 B6 1.8T, that has been VAG-COM'd for use in Canada. Can anyone please help?!

My interior door UNLOCK buttons don't work. I can hear it unlocking the trunk but that's it. The key fob does unlock all doors successfully. The LOCK buttons work fine.

VAG COM results:

Address 46: Central Conv.
Controller: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortgerát T5B 0617
Coding: 11852
Shop #: WSC 63351
5 Faults Found:
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01561 - Left Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01562 - Right Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe

I had this problem and I had to recode back to US. I tried every other country (I was trying to get rid of the damn door chime...) and ALL of them made my interior locks stop working. Switch the country code to US and I'm almost sure that'll fix it. Of course, then you'll lose your features, but at least you'll know what part is wrong.

edit: and yeah, same exact problem: could lock but not unlock with interior controls, keyfob always worked. Go figure.

[asutherland]

I had this problem and I had to recode back to US. I tried every other country (I was trying to get rid of the damn door chime...) and ALL of them made my interior locks stop working. Switch the country code to US and I'm almost sure that'll fix it. Of course, then you'll lose your features, but at least you'll know what part is wrong.

edit: and yeah, same exact problem: could lock but not unlock with interior controls, keyfob always worked. Go figure.

Hey!

Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately the car was Canadian-ized before I bought it. Would you be so kind as to post up the necessary code to re-code it for USA? Or is it just the Country Code setting? I have one of those ebay VAG COM cable knock-offs and could try a recode.

This won't set the car to Miles instead of KM will it? I need it in KM :)

[spector]

Hey!

Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately the car was Canadian-ized before I bought it. Would you be so kind as to post up the necessary code to re-code it for USA? Or is it just the Country Code setting? I have one of those ebay VAG COM cable knock-offs and could try a recode.

This won't set the car to Miles instead of KM will it? I need it in KM :)

It would just be the country code, and the US mode would indeed bring it back to miles (though maybe there's a workaround for that). It's quite possible that you can change some other number as well as the country code and get both features, I was just unable to do it. I only have the ebay VAGCOM too, so my options were limited.

Maybe someone can post the code that allows a new country AND interior locking.

[asutherland]

Hi Spector,

I used VAGCOM to reset all the Central Convienence system settings back to factory default for a USA car, and set the country code in Central Electronics back to factory default (USA mode). My locks are still screwed. (for unlocking inside the car)

Any other ideas? Nothing seems to be working. I'm now wondering if there might actually be a physical problem with the Central Conv.

PS - As a side note, you'll be happy to hear the system is still in KM. It must be set somewhere outside of the country code in Central Elec.

[diagnosticator]

I had this problem and I had to recode back to US. I tried every other country (I was trying to get rid of the damn door chime...) and ALL of them made my interior locks stop working. Switch the country code to US and I'm almost sure that'll fix it. Of course, then you'll lose your features, but at least you'll know what part is wrong.

edit: and yeah, same exact problem: could lock but not unlock with interior controls, keyfob always worked. Go figure.

When you had the locks not working for unlock(open door?) from the inside, did you pull twice on the door latch release handle?

[diagnosticator]

The door open key in igniton warnign chime is disabled in the instrument cluster adaptaiton channels.

[asutherland]

When you had the locks not working for unlock(open door?) from the inside, did you pull twice on the door latch release handle?

Pulling twice works to open the door. But the unlock button on the inside doesn't work no matter what. The key fob does unlock it fine though.

[spector]

The door open key in igniton warnign chime is disabled in the instrument cluster adaptaiton channels.

I couldn't find it in there. Do you know the code?

Another poster answered your other question: the physical handle worked, but the power door lock button did not work to unlock, only to lock. And the keyfob always works.

[asutherland]

*bump* :)

I have some new information. I did find something suspicously related, one of the central conv. system options is called No-Safe Function

Great Britain - alarm system
Flash on When Arming/Unarming Alarm System
Selective Locking 1 door/all doors
Activate Alarm System
Rear Unlocking Block via Speed
Locking Via Speed
Comfort Functions with Remote (adapt in ch 62) -> This is what enables this mod!
Right Side Steering
Avant (glass break sensors in rear side and rear windows)
1x Flash When lock with Remote
Horn Sounds when Lock With Remote
Door/Window Logic - windows work for 10 minutes after Ignition off and no door opening
Normal alarm system
No SAFE-function USA only
Insulate-glass PR0nr 4KR/4KV

I have played with having it ON and OFF, neither seems to make a difference. Does anyone know what the SAFE (or no Safe) function is? I believe it may be an option related to the trim level or more likely the country the car was produced in. From the above options, it looks like the US made A4's DIDN'T have the Safe option.

Does anyone else follow my logic or am I simply making too much out of what could be a bad German to English translation? If my Central Conv. controller is EXPECTING or expecting NOT to have the SAFE function, and it IS or ISN'T there, maybe it can't de-Safe of the door before it UNLOCKS the door and therefore fails.

This is directly related to the codes I am getting.

Address 46: Central Conv.
Controller: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortgerát T5B 0617
Coding: 15950
Shop #: WSC 63351
8 Faults Found:
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01559 - Drivers Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01560 - Passenger Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01561 - Left Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01562 - Right Rear Door
61-00 - Won't De-Safe

Ideas? Thoughts? Comments? :)

[asutherland]

The door open key in igniton warnign chime is disabled in the instrument cluster adaptaiton channels.

Hi Diagnosticator,

Sorry for my ignorance... does this affect the interior locking?

Do you have any ideas for our problem? I have tried changing the coding back to USA as spector had advised, but the problem still persists.

[drOopy]

Your coding is messed up a lil' You need to check your adaption channel 62 and recoded that to 95 also because you have changed adaption channel 62 you need to recode the Convenience Control module #46 to reflect the change, you have a code of:
11852
+ 32
- 4
=11880 should be your final code. See if that sorts out your mess.

[asutherland]

Your coding is messed up a lil' You need to check your adaption channel 62 and recoded that to 95 also because you have changed adaption channel 62 you need to recode the Convenience Control module #46 to reflect the change, you have a code of:
11852
+ 32
- 4
=11880 should be your final code. See if that sorts out your mess.

Hi,

Sorry - no change. I recoded the Central Conv. to 11880 and verified that adaption channel 62 is set to 95 (it already was)

Andrew

[drOopy]

are you coded for USA or Canada or did you do RDW........

[drOopy]

Try changing the country coding to either RDW or USA....it's definitely in your coding it's just going to take a lil' bit of trial and error!

[asutherland]

Thanks droopy... I tried coding for USA, CAN, and Rest of World... to no avail. You're speaking of the coding in the central electrics, right?

Played around with it this afternoon until my laptop died.

[diagnosticator]

Thanks droopy... I tried coding for USA, CAN, and Rest of World... to no avail. You're speaking of the coding in the central electrics, right?

Played around with it this afternoon until my laptop died.

No, the coding is for the Central Convenience Module, not the Central Electric Control Module.

The "Safe" function is the setting enabling the "pull twice" on the inside release handle to open the door. The DTCs concerning "De Safe" is occurring because there is a coding conflict somewhere, one coding or adaptation value is setting Safe as active, while at the same time, another coding or adaptation value is calling for De Safe mode, or Pull Once to open the door from the inside release handle. Safe mode overrides De Safe mode.

I am going to spend some time with my VAG-COM investigating the Safe/De Safe mode settings today, and will post back what I find out if anything. I suspect the the inside door lock button (mal)function is related to the Safe/De Safe confict. BTW, has anyone with the non operating inside door unlock buttons, tried doing a double button press? IE, Unlock>Unlock? That would be consistant with the SAFE mode, that requires two handle pulls to open the door.

[asutherland]

No, the coding is for the Central Convenience Module, not the Central Electric Control Module.

The "Safe" function is the setting enabling the "pull twice" on the inside release handle to open the door. The DTCs concerning "De Safe" is occurring because there is a coding conflict somewhere, one coding or adaptation value is setting Safe as active, while at the same time, another coding or adaptation value is calling for De Safe mode, or Pull Once to open the door from the inside release handle. Safe mode overrides De Safe mode.

I am going to spend some time with my VAG-COM investigating the Safe/De Safe mode settings today, and will post back what I find out if anything. I suspect the the inside door lock button (mal)function is related to the Safe/De Safe confict. BTW, has anyone with the non operating inside door unlock buttons, tried doing a double button press? IE, Unlock>Unlock? That would be consistant with the SAFE mode, that requires two handle pulls to open the door.

I just tried - pressing unlock->unlock twice (or more, for that matter) from inside the car doesn't unlock the door.

Pulling twice on the inside door handle will open the door.

[drOopy]

No, the coding is for the Central Convenience Module, not the Central Electric Control Module.

The "Safe" function is the setting enabling the "pull twice" on the inside release handle to open the door. The DTCs concerning "De Safe" is occurring because there is a coding conflict somewhere, one coding or adaptation value is setting Safe as active, while at the same time, another coding or adaptation value is calling for De Safe mode, or Pull Once to open the door from the inside release handle. Safe mode overrides De Safe mode.

I am going to spend some time with my VAG-COM investigating the Safe/De Safe mode settings today, and will post back what I find out if anything. I suspect the the inside door lock button (mal)function is related to the Safe/De Safe confict. BTW, has anyone with the non operating inside door unlock buttons, tried doing a double button press? IE, Unlock>Unlock? That would be consistant with the SAFE mode, that requires two handle pulls to open the door.

Diagnosticator is correct your "Safe / De Safe" has a conflict in coding somewhere. And the USA / RDW should be Central Conv. #46 Module, that's the one you should do that it in. Also are you sure you coded Adaption Channel 62 to equal 95 in Central Conv. #46? because that should be why the "Safe / De Safe" programs should be coming from!

[spector]

Diagnosticator is correct your "Safe / De Safe" has a conflict in coding somewhere. And the USA / RDW should be Central Conv. #46 Module, that's the one you should do that it in. Also are you sure you coded Adaption Channel 62 to equal 95 in Central Conv. #46? because that should be why the "Safe / De Safe" programs should be coming from!

The physical door handle requiring two tries to open is very different from the door unlock BUTTON not working within the car. When I "broke" mine by recoding it (trying to get rid of the door chime) the inside physical doors handles would work, but the inside unlock BUTTON would not work. The lock button would work, it would just not unlock. People in the back, however, could open their own doors by pulling the handle twice.

But I could not use my driver's door button to unlock any of the other doors, meaning I would have to lean across and open them manually, which completely defeats the point of power locks.

[spector]

No, the coding is for the Central Convenience Module, not the Central Electric Control Module.

The "Safe" function is the setting enabling the "pull twice" on the inside release handle to open the door. The DTCs concerning "De Safe" is occurring because there is a coding conflict somewhere, one coding or adaptation value is setting Safe as active, while at the same time, another coding or adaptation value is calling for De Safe mode, or Pull Once to open the door from the inside release handle. Safe mode overrides De Safe mode.

I am going to spend some time with my VAG-COM investigating the Safe/De Safe mode settings today, and will post back what I find out if anything. I suspect the the inside door lock button (mal)function is related to the Safe/De Safe confict. BTW, has anyone with the non operating inside door unlock buttons, tried doing a double button press? IE, Unlock>Unlock? That would be consistant with the SAFE mode, that requires two handle pulls to open the door.

I pressed the unlock button fifty times. It would not work at all. The lock button worked fine, but not the unlock.

Mad props to anyone who comes up with the code that allows keyfob windows, no seatbelt chime, no door chime, no doorlock "safety" mode, no 5mph locking, no stupid warning about putting my foot on the brake before putting car in gear, and that allows interior power locks.

[asutherland]

I pressed the unlock button fifty times. It would not work at all. The lock button worked fine, but not the unlock.

Mad props to anyone who comes up with the code that allows keyfob windows, no seatbelt chime, no door chime, no doorlock "safety" mode, no 5mph locking, no stupid warning about putting my foot on the brake before putting car in gear, and that allows interior power locks.

Agreed. I will award $50 CAD through paypal to anyone who can fix my locks (while maintaining spector's above comments) Maybe more, depending how generous I feel :)

I have confirmed my adaption channel 62 is set to 95 as requested. What exactly is the USA / RDW setting inCentral Conv. #46? Is that this:

Great Britain - alarm system
Flash on When Arming/Unarming Alarm System
Selective Locking 1 door/all doors
Activate Alarm System
Rear Unlocking Block via Speed
Locking Via Speed
Comfort Functions with Remote (adapt in ch 62) -> This is what enables this mod!
Right Side Steering
Avant (glass break sensors in rear side and rear windows)
1x Flash When lock with Remote
Horn Sounds when Lock With Remote
Door/Window Logic - windows work for 10 minutes after Ignition off and no door opening
Normal alarm system
No SAFE-function USA only
Insulate-glass PR0nr 4KR/4KV

[diagnosticator]

What is the codiing value entered in the CCCM now? The "NO Safe Function" requires adding 8192 to the sum of the options. My CCCM is coded 12158, and I have the "Won't De safe" DTCs for all doors also. My IC is coded for GB, and the CECM is coded for RDW.

Make sure the IC and CECM are coded for USA if the CCCM coding includes the 8192 No Safe value. Using my coding value less the NO Safe option, the coding is 03966 for example. The CCCM does not have a specific country coding value, it is derived from the country coding values of the other controllers.

[diagnosticator]

I pressed the unlock button fifty times. It would not work at all. The lock button worked fine, but not the unlock.

Mad props to anyone who comes up with the code that allows keyfob windows, no seatbelt chime, no door chime, no doorlock "safety" mode, no 5mph locking, no stupid warning about putting my foot on the brake before putting car in gear, and that allows interior power locks.

No single coding value can address all of the functions listed above, as several different controllers are involved.

[diagnosticator]

The physical door handle requiring two tries to open is very different from the door unlock BUTTON not working within the car. When I "broke" mine by recoding it (trying to get rid of the door chime) the inside physical doors handles would work, but the inside unlock BUTTON would not work. The lock button would work, it would just not unlock. People in the back, however, could open their own doors by pulling the handle twice.

But I could not use my driver's door button to unlock any of the other doors, meaning I would have to lean across and open them manually, which completely defeats the point of power locks.

Is your CCCM coded for Selective locking or All doors lock/unlock together? Currently, on my CCCM, pressing the fob unlock unlocks all the doors like you want for the inside driver's unlock button.j

The disabled inside unlock button is associated with the DTCs "Won't De Safe" Since the doors are in safe mode, the inside unlock button must be disabled or there is no effective safe function, because the door could be inadvertently unlocked by accident. That is what the Safe mode is supposed to prevent. So, an active unlock button in Safe mode is illogical.

[drjonez]

I was just playing w/VAGCOM tonight and recoded to 16234 and my interior door unlock button is non-functional as well. Its not a huge deal, but I would like to know why...

[diagnosticator]

I was just playing w/VAGCOM tonight and recoded to 16234 and my interior door unlock button is non-functional as well. Its not a huge deal, but I would like to know why...

How did you come up with that coding value?

[drjonez]

How did you come up with that coding value?

+00001 = GB-Alarm (not USA)
+00002 = Confirmation Anti-Theft Warning System (Blink)
+00004 = Selective Central Locking (SCL)
+00008 = Anti-Theft Warning System
+00016 = Rear Lid Release Locking at 5 km/h
+00032 = Central Locking at 15 km/h (or 10 mph)
+00064 = Comfort Function via Remote Control (not USA)
+00128 = Right Hand Drive (RHD)
+00256 = Avant
+00512 = Confirmation Close via Remote (1x Blink)
+01024 = Confirmation Anti-Theft Warning Sytem Horn Activation
+02048 = Door-/Window Regulator Logic
+04096 = Thatcham Anti-Theft Warning (not USA)
+08192 = No Safe-Function
+16384 = Side Windows with Insulated Glass

sum: 16234

I was using the calculator @ A4mods, they list the Thatcham alarm as "normal alarm system"....perhaps I should turn that off.