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    Alright, retarded question, but i'd like an answer.

    I use manual mode a lot from downshifting to up-shifting etc.

    Now when i shift i let off the gas and then shift because i feel it engages better. This i know puts more stress on the TC, but am i really doing anymore harm?

    I know i have to do a tranny fluid change cause it takes a while to engage into gear.

    Any ideas?
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q

    i dont understand why you are shifting an automatic
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    ^^because with 1+ the shift program is retarded u go up a hill in D and it goes up like a 60% incline in 4th?
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q

    stop making me jealous
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    haha, just messing with ya! automatics are stupid it seems, i always hated a car that upshifted too much for nothing or one that didnt upshift at all and bogged all the way up a hill
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    i can't stand driving it in D or S, once you go past stock programming the TCU doesn't know what your throwing at it so it doesn't shift right.

    and yeah, i downshift mine here and there even though i know it's prob not the best thing for it. I just LOVE that gurgling exhaust note!

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    Don't take your foot off the gas... you lose boost then need the downshift to maintain speed....

    When I drive in any mode, on a incline I try to stay in moderate boost otherwise it will downshift.
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    Just keep it above 2300'ish and you wont cry............as much :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by UhOhQuattro View Post
    Just keep it above 2300'ish and you wont cry............as much :(
    turbo dependent of course.
    my car doesn't move if i'm below that... 2.5k-4.5k is normal driving for me, keep it between 4k-7k when i am playing around.

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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Hughes View Post
    Don't take your foot off the gas... you lose boost then need the downshift to maintain speed....

    When I drive in any mode, on a incline I try to stay in moderate boost otherwise it will downshift.
    i only do that around town not while going up a hill or anything. Just around town i'll take a vid soon so u can see what i mean.

    thanx for the help guys but i don't know how we went off topic here haha.
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q

    to try and answer your question, i don't think it's going to rip your tranny apart. the TQ converter is locking up so you have a solid connection, it's the slipping you want to avoid.
    so while not good for it, i don't think you are going to look in the rear view and see the tranny laying on the ground a few feet behind you if you do downshift once and awhile.

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    ^^no well if it es no worky then i don't care it is laying on the ground lol i just wanna make sure i'm not seriously reducing its life. I think this is a Diagnosticator Q.
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    haha i do this all the time, pretend i have a stick =) mwahaha

    i dont think it messes up the tranny. if it does.. i feel like a moron now.

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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

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    haha i do this all the time, pretend i have a stick =) mwahaha
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    ^^hey wait aren't u FWD? hahahahahahahaha
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    ^^hey wait aren't u FWD? hahahahahahahaha
    No, his old avatar was a bunch of children pointing and laughing at FWD.
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    Alright, retarded question, but i'd like an answer.

    I use manual mode a lot from downshifting to up-shifting etc.

    Now when i shift i let off the gas and then shift because i feel it engages better. This i know puts more stress on the TC, but am i really doing anymore harm?

    I know i have to do a tranny fluid change cause it takes a while to engage into gear.

    Any ideas?
    I recommend using tip shift points only as consistent with engine rpm that results after the shift, to avoid useless stress on the trans. That is, don't downshift to 1st gear to soon etc. Or, let the trans downshift itself for stoplights instead of forced downshifts using the tip shifter before stopping. Remember that using the tip shifter, provides the ability to manually force shifts, doesn't mean it's always a good idea to do so. Try and avoid downshifts that would not happen in auto for the same road speed and engine speed combinations occurring. Same with up shifts, don't shift to soon, or later than usually the case. However, in tip mode, the torque converter clutch is locked up, "closed clutch", with no TC slip most of the time, except for the 2>1 downshift, while in 1st gear, before the 1>2 up shift, and is locked up 2nd gear > 5th gear. In D, the TC clutch locks up too, but has a programmed slip mode during shifts and for other speed/load combinations , to extend gear range and versatility. If there is any transmission clutch pack or TC clutch slipping occurring that is abnormal compared to normal programmed parameters, then there should be gear specific clutch slip related DTC/s stored in the diagnostics of the TCU.

    TipTronic shifting is best used while driving on tight curvy back country rural roads, in a spirted fashon, for best control under those conditions similar to the gear shifting strategy used with a manual box for that type of driving. An advantage of the Tip trans, is that the throttle postition can be more even and constant despite gear changes, and is the best method, instead of how you modulate the throttle with shifts now.
    For routine driving, D or S would be prefered for minimum stress on the trans. However, there is no cause for worry harming the trans using Tip mode, if used for road speed and engine speeds within typical limits.
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by romell View Post
    haha i do this all the time, pretend i have a stick =) mwahahs
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by diagnosticator View Post
    I recommend using tip shift points only as consistent with engine rpm that results after the shift, to avoid useless stress on the trans. That is, don't downshift to first to soon etc. Or, let the trans downshift itself for stoplights instead of forced downshifts using the tip shifter before stopping. Remember that using the tip shifter, provides the ability to manually force shifts, doesn't mean it's always a good idea to do so. Try and avoid downshifts that would not happen in auto for the same road speed and engine speed combinations occurring. Same with up shifts, don't shift to soon, or later than usually the case. However, in tip mode, the torque converter clutch is locked up, "closed clutch", with no TC slip most of the time, except for the 2>1 downshift, while in 1st gear, before the 1>2 up shift, and is locked up 2nd gear > 5th gear. In D, the TC clutch locks up too, but has a programmed slip mode during shifts and for other speed/load combinations , to extend gear range and versatility. If there is any transmission clutch pack or TC clutch slipping occurring that is abnormal compared to normal programmed parameters, then there should be gear specific clutch slip related DTC/s stored in the diagnostics of the TCU.

    thanx a lot , i always allow it to shift into 1st itself i believe in the rule that shift into first only under 5mph. Other than that i downshift when i'm going downhill to use engine braking. Is this fine?
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    thanx a lot , i always allow it to shift into 1st itself i believe in the rule that shift into first only under 5mph. Other than that i downshift when i'm going downhill to use engine braking. Is this fine?
    Sure, I do too, it's the main reason for using tip for non sporty driving. (not to quickly slow down/stop, but to match slope grade with engine drag to hold down hill speed constant at the speed desired.)

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    ^^ yeah that's ok to do in a manual, other than the engagement method wouldn't it be the same thing once it's in gear? I do it on my 5 speed. Makes a nice loud noise with my exhaust too :) Oh and John, i don't have school anymore... or anything really. We need to get together soon.
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    John u should be a mod.
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    honestly, everytime i shift i let off the gas...i just thought it was the right thing to do..but anytime i really get on it, i let it do its own shifting..what could be better than perfect redline shifting..with the chip its fast ass hell too =D..i like tip alot..i know most are haters of it
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    thanx a lot , i always allow it to shift into 1st itself i believe in the rule that shift into first only under 5mph. Other than that i downshift when i'm going downhill to use engine braking. Is this fine?
    wait wait wait..you guys can downshift manually to 1st?! i have to go under a certain rpm's goin like 3 mph and it will only automatically go into 1st
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    ^^hey wait aren't u FWD? hahahahahahahaha


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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by HOFFY11 View Post
    wait wait wait..you guys can downshift manually to 1st?! i have to go under a certain rpm's goin like 3 mph and it will only automatically go into 1st
    i can shift to first at like 30 not smart but i can.
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    nice thread!

    maybe i should upgrade my tranny in a bit..

    i will
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    and then me and papa will go against each other

    ill win because my rims wont be curbed by my woman! haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOFFY11 View Post
    wait wait wait..you guys can downshift manually to 1st?! i have to go under a certain rpm's goin like 3 mph and it will only automatically go into 1st
    Yeah, sounds like your tip is coded for "New Tip Shift Strategy", where the trans upshifts itself at redline or before, and downshifts itself if the pedal is floored, among other things.

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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by HOFFY11 View Post
    honestly, everytime i shift i let off the gas...i just thought it was the right thing to do..but anytime i really get on it, i let it do its own shifting..what could be better than perfect redline shifting..with the chip its fast ass hell too =D..i like tip alot..i know most are haters of it
    In Tip mode, there is no need to modulate the throttle with shifts. The TCU together with the ECU, already reduces engine torque during the shift transition, so there is nothing gained by manually doing the same thing with the gas pedal. (The torque dip during shifts occurs for auto shifts also. And FWIW, the MT cars do this too, using a switch on the clutch pedal to retard ignition timing to reduce torque while the clutch pedal is away from the upper travel stop.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by romell View Post
    nice thread!

    maybe i should upgrade my tranny in a bit..

    i will
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    and then me and papa will go against each other

    ill win because my rims wont be curbed by my woman! haha

    i keed i keed
    ouch! that hurt! but i did score some OEM rs4 rims today! and got a ride in a rs4 i cried at how slow my car is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papachristou View Post
    ouch! that hurt! but i did score some OEM rs4 rims today! and got a ride in a rs4 i cried at how slow my car is!
    sweeeeet....

    i still wouldnt let my lady drive my car.

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    no choice.. her company took away all their company cars.. im stuck right now...

    i cant believe the deal i got on those rims.. i looked up the tires and they are $230 each on tire rack plus shipping and mount/balance. and they had 10/32 depth, no wear on the sidewalls from hard cornering or anything.. i was kind of concerned about getting rs4 reps since some people have had vibration issues at higher speeds and finish trouble. nothing like OEM.
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    If the Tiptronic shifting logic becomes flawed when going to 1+, what happens at bigger power levels like with a GTRS? Is it even worse?

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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by KPC1.8TQuat View Post
    If the Tiptronic shifting logic becomes flawed when going to 1+, what happens at bigger power levels like with a GTRS? Is it even worse?
    It depends on how the tuning in the ECU is configured.

    I recently found some info that may be directly related to the issue. According to Audi, the TCU determines shift points and shift duration based in part, on the ECU fuel consumption signal sent to the TCU. The TCU uses that signal value to interpret the instantaneous engine torque, to calculate shift behavior. Considering that the DIS displayed MPG is not correct after chipping, that may be why the shift strategy is screwed up with a chip. I emailed APR about this, last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diagnosticator View Post
    . I emailed APR about this, last night.
    I thought I read a post (ages ago) that said it was possible to correct the
    DIS displayed MPG after chipping via a Vag-Com.

    So, because more fuel is being used for a BT upgrade, the TIP logic behavior should be even more negatively effected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPC1.8TQuat View Post
    I thought I read a post (ages ago) that said it was possible to correct the
    DIS displayed MPG after chipping via a Vag-Com.

    So, because more fuel is being used for a BT upgrade, the TIP logic behavior should be even more negatively effected?
    I don't know how a certain tuning remap will effect the fuel consumption signal error. It depends on the method used by the tuner, and the specific values changed in the maps, and if there is any corrective values programmed to compensate and correct the error or not.
    The fuel consumption signal sent to the TCU from the ECU is not effected by the Instrument cluster/DIS adaptation channel offset value setting. There is no possible way that can effect the consumption signal between the ECU and the TCU, as that adaptation is only for the DIS display. It's unrelated regardless, but the maximum range of the adaptation channel does not allow for enough offset to restore the accuracy of the DIS MPG displayed.

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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    Quote Originally Posted by KPC1.8TQuat View Post
    If the Tiptronic shifting logic becomes flawed when going to 1+, what happens at bigger power levels like with a GTRS? Is it even worse?
    Tranny shifts much better with the GTRS (S mode) than any modded k03/04 because of the way the TQ comes on (gradual and smooth, not sharp and abrupt).
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    Re: Tiptronic shifting Q (paging Diagnosticator)

    ^^agreed, I haven't had gear hunting issues either at high speeds.

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