APR Stage 2 dyno'd: 268HP - 333TQ

[Louis J.]

Car: 2006 MT6 Quattro with 38k mi.
Mods: APR93, Carbonio, Abt axleback converted to catback (2.5" pipe & highflow magnaflow res.)
Fuel: Chevron 94
Dyno: Dynapack
Drivetrain loss: 28%

193 AWHP @ 85MPH, 4,884RPM
240 AWTQ @ 54MPH, 3,126RPM

APR claims 266HP & 317TQ for stage 2 (APR93 + Carbonio + APR catback) on the same dyno using the same drivetrain loss number. I'm pretty happy with the results.

[Jmaak]

Your peak HP is at 4.8k? That doesn't sound right even with our tiny turbos...

[montess2001]

you are running stage 2 with stock cat?

[RedS-line]

numbers look good. magnaflow makes a highflow resonator?

[Geoffafa]

numbers on the title corrected for the crank im guessing? if that so, i make almost that to the wheel, you should upgrade the fuel pump, and get the software for


EDIT: just saw u had APR, nevermind about the file, wont do much

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Something that bothers me about this type of dynos, is that they don't take in to account the weight of the wheel. Say each wheel is 22lbs x 4 = 88 Lbs. 88 lbs that no longer have to be spun.

[Zebman]

numbers on the title corrected for the crank im guessing? if that so, i make almost that to the wheel, you should upgrade the fuel pump, and get the software for


EDIT: just saw u had APR, nevermind about the file, wont do much

FWD (+ ~10%) plus extra supporting mods is why that is so.

[Roy munson]

Something that bothers me about this type of dynos, is that they don't take in to account the weight of the wheel. Say each wheel is 22lbs x 4 = 88 Lbs. 88 lbs that no longer have to be spun.

Someone better tell Dinan, Apex, APR, TRD ect ect...
They eliminate variables

[evilgabbie]

great numbers =) i have a similar setup, hopefully i have near those numbers

btw do you know if APR Stage I file and so-called Stage II file are the same ?

[Louis J.]

Thanks for all the comments and feedback guys.

Your peak HP is at 4.8k? That doesn't sound right even with our tiny turbos...

Peak power on the last and best of three runs was at 4,884. The first run peaked at 5,178 and the second at around 4,900 as well. Care to elaborate on your comment? Seems logical to me since our tiny turbos run out of breath at higher RPMs.

you are running stage 2 with stock cat?

Yes. According to APR, stage 2 is APR93 file, Carbonio and APR catback exhaust. Stage 2 does not include a TP...it couldn't since it's illegal.

numbers look good. magnaflow makes a highflow resonator?

Thanks and yes. I don't know the model number but it looks like a hollow pipe wrapped in a layer of soundproofing core.

Something that bothers me about this type of dynos, is that they don't take in to account the weight of the wheel. Say each wheel is 22lbs x 4 = 88 Lbs. 88 lbs that no longer have to be spun.

Depends on what you're trying to achieve I guess. I wanted to know how much my car is making now vs. stock, what my car is making vs. what APR claims it should be making and to get a read of what it's making now before I upgrade to a FMIC and a true cold air intake. Since APR uses the same dyno, I couldn't of hoped for a better scenario to compare apples to apples. I also have two sets of wheels that have a weight difference of 6lbs/side and I'm glad I didn't bias my numbers based on the wheels I have mounted at the time of the dyno.

great numbers =) i have a similar setup, hopefully i have near those numbers

btw do you know if APR Stage I file and so-called Stage II file are the same ?

Thanks and yes, according to APR, Stage 2 is APR93 file (stage 1), intake and catback.

[Sharkfin]

Numbers look good Louis. I'm curious to see the change once you get a FMIC, are you going to get the AWE one? That's where I am leaning towards. And are you ever going to add a testpipe?

[Louis J.]

Thanks man. I'm not sure yeton the FMIC...AWE, GSG or custom build. I'm skipping the TP as my car is as loud as I want it.

[Geoffafa]

FWD (+ ~10%) plus extra supporting mods is why that is so.

yeah you obviously didnt read my post correctly, he is making 268hp 333 tq, to the crank, and i make 260fwhp and 330fwtq. kinda pismal IMO

[audikid66]

yeah you obviously didnt read my post correctly, he is making 268hp 333 tq, to the crank, and i make 260fwhp and 330fwtq. kinda pismal IMO

u have meth/TP/fwd--- just from fwd or keeping and extra 20whp(give or take) meth(15-20whp) and TP(5-10 whp) so theres ur extra 50ish WHP right there...

[Geoffafa]

u have meth/TP/fwd--- just from fwd or keeping and extra 20whp(give or take) meth(15-20whp) and TP(5-10 whp) so theres ur extra 50ish WHP right there...

i would have loved to get 15-20 horsepower off of meth, i dynoed the differnces, no gains, just more consistent runs without heatsoaking, same effect as a FMIC, and what everyone fails to realize is that my WHEEL numbers are his CRANK numbers, the ONLY performance mod he doesnt have that i do is a fuel pump, but he is stage 2 therefore he must have a TP, if i were to correct for MY crank numbers... it would roughly be...

299 whp
380 wtq
this is corrected to FWD giving roughly 15% drive train loss as opposed to the 28% for quattro

[audikid66]

are you tuned for meth? did you advance timing,adjust AFR,or up the boost? if not then of course you wont see any gains besides conistancy and lower IAT

[Geoffafa]

are you tuned for meth? did you advance timing,adjust AFR,or up the boost? if not then of course you wont see any gains besides conistancy and lower IAT

i stand corrected, i up'd timing 1 POINT, i dont think that still accounts for the massive difference

[audikid66]

im sure you can up timing more to get more power... but no i agree that is a 65 whp difference... but like i said also.. u have fwd and a TP(he doesnt have a TP) and you have revo software he has apr(apr is conservative) and ur fuel pump and you have meth (even tho u say u have no power gains..still ur car is running better with cooler IATs) so from what i see you have a very good running setup and his setup is a lil more conservative... were u guys on the same dyno? that makes a difference also... too many factors to even compare

[Geoffafa]

im sure you can up timing more to get more power... but no i agree that is a 65 whp difference... but like i said also.. u have fwd and a TP(he doesnt have a TP) and you have revo software he has apr(apr is conservative) and ur fuel pump and you have meth (even tho u say u have no power gains..still ur car is running better with cooler IATs) so from what i see you have a very good running setup and his setup is a lil more conservative... were u guys on the same dyno? that makes a difference also... too many factors to even compare

it was a different dyno and i couldnt up the timing anymore, i ran logs and im already at the safe limit for timing being pulled, and also if he has stage two he has to have a TP, there is no way around that, and as far as apr being conservative, i think that is a false statement, because when i first decided to gowith APR software, it was because of the dyno results and because APR offered the most power, now i decided to switch to revo because of the tunability (since i will soon have nitrous) and because the APR file is garbage (at least on my car)

[audikid66]

sweet... nitrous is popular with u b7 guys it seems.. i guess ur blocks are built real strong.?

[Geoffafa]

sweet... nitrous is popular with u b7 guys it seems.. i guess ur blocks are built real strong.?

nooo LOL. The blocks are garbage... It's just nitrous is probably the safest way to reach it's limit (if done properly of course) because if you bt it up that high you will blow. (not sure why, but I'll take that advice since nos is cheaper haha)

[Goped220]

When I dynoed my cars on a Dynojet I did 220 Horse power and 263 Torque, SAE Uncorrected wheel horse power. I am yet to dyno it will the apr fuel pump and software map.

[Louis J.]

Thanks for all the posts guys. As stated above, I'm comparing apples to apples here. APR uses a Dynapack and claims 266HP/317TQ on their stage 2 Quattro 2.0T B7. APR Stage 2is APR93 file, catback exhaust and carbonio intake only...not TP. I have those exact mods and dyno'd on the same Dynapack. My car puts out 2HP and 16HP more than what they claim and the difference could be due to my Abt exhaust vs. their APR exhaust, ambient temps or both. Bottom line...my numbers are in line with what they should be according to APR and that's all I care about and what I wanted to share.

[Geoffafa]

Thanks for all the posts guys. As stated above, I'm comparing apples to apples here. APR uses a Dynapack and claims 266HP/317TQ on their stage 2 Quattro 2.0T B7. APR Stage 2is APR93 file, catback exhaust and carbonio intake only...not TP. I have those exact mods and dyno'd on the same Dynapack. My car puts out 2HP and 16HP more than what they claim and the difference could be due to my Abt exhaust vs. their APR exhaust, ambient temps or both. Bottom line...my numbers are in line with what they should be according to APR and that's all I care about and what I wanted to share.

Why would u have stage 2 with out a test pipe? Since apt stage 2 is basicly only a check engine light clear for the o2 sensors

[Louis J.]

Why would u have stage 2 with out a test pipe? Since apt stage 2 is basicly only a check engine light clear for the o2 sensors

Because I don't want to worry about passing emissions and I don't want my car to be any louder than it is now.

[Zebman]

Why would u have stage 2 with out a test pipe? Since apt stage 2 is basicly only a check engine light clear for the o2 sensors

Stage 2 has nothing to do with TP, you get a completely seperate file, appropriately named the TP file, to clear the resulting CEL.

I want a TP, but I live 3 hours away from my tuner, which is why i'm hesitant until I get the fuel pump at the same time.

[Geoffafa]

how silly of me to make assumptions on a file I had that specifily tested stage2 differences. With and without file on the dyno. I must be retarded or something.

[Great White]

Thanks man. I'm not sure yeton the FMIC...AWE, GSG or custom build. I'm skipping the TP as my car is as loud as I want it.

Nice numbers Louis, I'm thinking of getting the same set up, but I'm not set on the exhaust yet.

Would you by any chance have any sound clips with taking off and cabin sound? The ones I found on youtube were all static.