In car video of custom GT28RS

[generationjdm]

GT28RS @ 9LBS Alex got board and shot this video base tune while breaking the motor in Throttle plate 100% open at 2120 RPM:

[mrpeterparker]

ehm... how have i never seen this... but how did you get boost info to your cluster? i want!

[khj677turbo]

Agreed, car seems sick, but im easily amused by your boost display in the cluster

[AMC]

this is alex's car?

[Dowskeet]

Car sounds nasty Gen.. Cant wait to see the numbers once everything is dialed in.

[generationjdm]

this is alex's car?

Ya

[Das General]

Looks like it pulls nicely so far. But I would hardly call that a lag test as he hits 9psi early, which is not full boost. When his car is ready to be tuned, then gimme that 25 psi video and show me when full boost comes on, that will be a lag test.

[WMi_S4]

ehm... how have i never seen this... but how did you get boost info to your cluster? i want!

Its called EFU. Will also display V1 warnings too

[Dr.Duct]

Its called EFU. Will also display V1 warnings too

correct.. if i can remember they are like $400-500. Correct me if im wrong

[generationjdm]

Looks like it pulls nicely so far. But I would hardly call that a lag test as he hits 9psi early, which is not full boost. When his car is ready to be tuned, then gimme that 25 psi video and show me when full boost comes on, that will be a lag test.

Did you no in the software you can get a good calculation boost at each rpm and were it will come in at? Full boost will be at 4k, the beautiful thing is the car doesnt need to make hardly any boost to get going good as you can see, other turbos may need 25+lbs but he won't. at 3500rpm the car will be more then primed haha Also it's easier to fall off power between shifts at 9lbs then 25lbs..

Base tune and breaking in the motor graph

Throttle plate 100% open at 2120 RPM:

[AudiSportB5S4]

car is movin! going to be crazy at 25 pounds. good job guys.

[WMi_S4]

correct.. if i can remember they are like $400-500. Correct me if im wrong

Yea, the module you hook up to ur cluster is like $440 or something, and it comes over from Europe, so shipping isn't cheap either.....

It's not very practical for me, as my cluster is almost dead

[JackalS4]

Oh golly.

Nice pullage for 9 PSI!

Turbos are just chillin', barely breathing.

[johnkent1212]

Alex....sounds siiick. Can't wait until full boost. That reminds me to do vids of my car :)

[revhards4]

Alex great job buddy...The car seems so powerful at only 9psi and EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE from what I can see. Only 9psi and it's faster than my stage 2+ was, impressive!

From what I can tell in the video is that the car has no lag. 9-10psi at 3400 rpm's it will without a doubt make 20psi or more by 4k......

[generationjdm]

car makes exactly 9.4lbs in the data and should be able to make full boost at 4k or real close

[Das General]

I don't think it will make 25 psi at 4k. I hope it does, but I don't think it will happen.

[revhards4]

25psi is a lot of boost...I'm thinking 4200rpm's...these are large turbo's with the big turbine sides...still, when at WOT the rpm's never drop below 5k when shifting at 7k through the gears. But I think his shifts are going to be close to 7500-8000 so no need to worry

[Das General]

25psi is a lot of boost...I'm thinking 4200rpm's...these are large turbo's with the big turbine sides...still, when at WOT the rpm's never drop below 5k when shifting at 7k through the gears. But I think his shifts are going to be close to 7500-8000 so no need to worry

Oh by no means am I concerned with lag. It won't fall out of the power-band during WOT. But realistically, I don't think it will make full boost (25 psi) by 4k. We have seen it before in Martins car, with the 3.0L and 28's it was in the 4.5k range.

[S-Power]

If it can hit by 4200RPMS that would be beautiful

[AudiHolicS4]

looks good man cant wait to see it when its all broken in

[generationjdm]

Oh by no means am I concerned with lag. It won't fall out of the power-band during WOT. But realistically, I don't think it will make full boost (25 psi) by 4k. We have seen it before in Martins car, with the 3.0L and 28's it was in the 4.5k range.

Like i said it will be real close to 4k but what does it really matter as the car will be making k04 + power at 15-17lbs and that will definitely be before 4k... He's making boost on gt28rs turbos faster then anyone on a 2.7 or 2.8 liter from anything I've see. he might even be close to the same as the 3ltr car.. Not bad for all the large stuff like 2.8 heads,cams,rs4 mani etc. Alex agrees the car has plenty of power off boost and it transitions so fast into boost it really doesn't matter. Heres a graph of a 2.7 all stock components running a gt2860rs 8lbs is at 3900rpm Alex is making 8lbs at 3250rpmss with all the large low end hurting components.

[Das General]

Interesting data. The heads really do make a difference. Makes me excited for my setup as I am running the same heads as Alex.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Good stuff Alex!

[revhards4]

Interesting data. The heads really do make a difference. Makes me excited for my setup as I am running the same heads as Alex.

The reason why the car is so responsive is the tubulor exhaust manifolds with REAL MERGE COLLECTORS...but some haters think otherwise and they seem to think log style stockers are better

But I'm through trying to convince people, the numbers will speak for themselves

[Das General]

Mike @ WMS doesn't seem to have any trouble making big power with their ASP kit.

[revhards4]

Mike @ WMS doesn't seem to have any trouble making big power with their ASP kit.

Nobody said that they couldn't...there are just better ways of doing it

[Das General]

Nobody said that they couldn't...there are just better ways of doing it

Yes that is possibly true. I just don't think it is entirely fair to bash the competitor when in fact WMS has had success with the ASP kit. That is all.

[revhards4]

I'm not bashing...what are you talking about?

[Das General]

I thought you were making reference to ASP manifolds earlier. I was mistaken... nevertheless ASP has taking some bashing for their GT kit. To some extent I have to agree with it (bashing), but on the other hand, I believe the new setup at WMS will help ASP and GenX sell GT kits.

[sean1.8t]

alex is running gt2560r's right? not true gt28rs'. that might make a difference in lagg, no...

but seriously. lagg is rediculous when talking about a 2.8l motor. when you have a 1.8l or 2.0l motor, then you can talk about lagg.. cause with 2.8l before the turbo hits, your motor is still making decent power to move the car

[generationjdm]

alex is running gt2560r's right? not true gt28rs'. that might make a difference in lagg, no...

but seriously. lagg is rediculous when talking about a 2.8l motor. when you have a 1.8l or 2.0l motor, then you can talk about lagg.. cause with 2.8l before the turbo hits, your motor is still making decent power to move the car

He has gt2860rs with some custom work done to them on both the comp and turbine side to suite what I think will spool faster, seems to be working out very well.. GT2560ss actually make around 18lbs at 3500rpm

[generationjdm]

Interesting data. The heads really do make a difference. Makes me excited for my setup as I am running the same heads as Alex.

has zero to do with heads actually the larger heads and cams hurt them. Has a lot more to do with having a actually/proper merge collector, larger gates and a true 3in dp. Plus some tricks to the turbos help

[J-tec]

yo man! nice vids, i added your vid to www.vimeo.com/mkx

It's a dedicated VW/Audi channel on vimeo, check it out

[skunkoncrunk]

ehm... how have i never seen this... but how did you get boost info to your cluster? i want!

I just want the cluster because you can read everything, haha.

Very cool indeed.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

that is friggen sick and will only get cooler by time its done. alex i know you're reading this so don't prematurely break anything.

[Boris]

I thought you were making reference to ASP manifolds earlier. I was mistaken... nevertheless ASP has taking some bashing for their GT kit. To some extent I have to agree with it (bashing), but on the other hand, I believe the new setup at WMS will help ASP and GenX sell GT kits.

gen jdm never made any mention of anything like asps mani's. He talked about the stock log manifold...btw I am really looking forward to seeing you singe turbo ..I would like to move forward past KO4's either to your kit or gen jdm's..godspeed to you deb38!

[Boris]

has zero to do with heads actually the larger heads and cams hurt them. Has a lot more to do with having a actually/proper merge collector, larger gates and a true 3in dp. Plus some tricks to the turbos help

Gen jdm I am really looking forward to your setup.. why is it taking so long for everyone to get their kits running ! dang. Well, I am thinking of buying your setup as well. I need to some real numbers and times though, and I think alex is going to pave the way.

Gen JDm , do you have any solutions for the amount of crankcase pressure the cars make underload, like the problems experienced by ASP and their GT car when they blew out a cam plug?

[OneSickSedan]

Wow looking good Alex. Who gives a shit about full boost? The most important thing is how quickly the car gets moving as Shawn already stated. And that thing looks like it's spooling as fast as my k03's even with all that top end work Alex has.

I thought Alex got some worked gt2854r's? Are these the same turbo's or did you guys switch up to disco potatoes? Regardless, very interesting stuff, can't wait to see more. Congrats and good luck.

[generationjdm]

Gen jdm I am really looking forward to your setup.. why is it taking so long for everyone to get their kits running ! dang. Well, I am thinking of buying your setup as well. I need to some real numbers and times though, and I think alex is going to pave the way.

Gen JDm , do you have any solutions for the amount of crankcase pressure the cars make underload, like the problems experienced by ASP and their GT car when they blew out a cam plug?

It's actually been really quick if you think about it since May was when we finished the kit. These guys are mostly doing the work them self and machine work, parts ordered, money etc takes time.. Some shops are taking longer to do there build then some of these guys. I'm not going to say anything about asp, but the cam plug and crankcase pressure is nothing to worry about normally. I've never seen or heard a cam plug pop do to just cc pressure... Numbers aren't everything as you no dynos r dynos, drive ability, throttle response getting to boost, broad power curve etc as this is Alex's full time transportation 365 days a year, but there will be plenty of neck cracking power from what I've seen...