Evolution Racewerks B7 FMIC now available!!

[gsxtasee]

So Fred has worked his magic on Wifey's B7 A4Quattro. Ihave a lot of pics but they're in email form and I'm in TX visiting her using a Gov't computer to view them so can't DL orattach anything.. If someone is willing to post pics for me, I'll forward the email and they can attach pics here for us all to drool over..

I, like u guys, have to drool still as we don't get back to Cali until the 15th after we stop in Vegas for our last big Hurrah of a party weekend which Fred of ER should be attending with our Audi as a surprise to the wife. her shiny new polished FMIC and N2O system should make her a happy camper. Now if we could just get Fred to get to work on the B7 Cat Back on our car, that'd be NEAT!!

[Six Speed Turbo]

Can't wait to see some pics.

[Allan T]

Send the pics to me, and i will upload them.

[Evo Racewerks]

Since Jason doesn't have internet acess,






There's more pictures on our website

[cstarky15]

you have to have the bumper reinforcement bar out to fit this in?

[jrok24k]

you have to have the bumper reinforcement bar out to fit this in?

it looks like it

[viperdsa]

Evolution Racewerks SMIC's look like they might be promising

[GhostSquadGarage]

Looks beautiful !!
Too bad it voids the warranty from removing the crash bar :(

[cstarky15]

Looks beautiful !!
Too bad it voids the warranty from removing the crash bar :(

x2. If the SMIC's are as good as they say they are. what are we looking at for a price?

[viperdsa]

Their site says special preorder discount. If only I still had money after buying my shocks and springs :S

[cstarky15]

I emailed them and asked them a price so we shall see what they say

[viperdsa]

Oh, I missed your question about that. I did that the other day and they said the SMIC will be $895, but with the preorder discount $795.
We'll see what they tell you.

[Evo Racewerks]

The OEM bumper reinforcement bar is in the car. It has been modified to fit the new large FMIC. It is the only modification needed and is fairly easy and straightforward to do. The OEM bumper reinforcement bar is aluminum. There is no bumper modifications needed.

We typically make a new bumper reinforcement bar to replace the OEM one like in our previous applications for the A4. However, we want to try to keep things economic especially during these times and figured most would rather put in an extra 30 min of work instead of spending $200. The B7 A4 FMIC is currently our most economical Competition Series FMIC to date. If there is a demand for a new bumper reinforcement bar, we will make one.

Gsxtasee's car was used as the prototype car so this is the prototype unit. However, he left me his car for quite some time so I had time to go through the different revisions I typically do while R&D parts. This is going to be the final version that make it to production.

you have to have the bumper reinforcement bar out to fit this in?

[Evo Racewerks]

He's correct. That is the MSRP pricing for the SMIC's.

Oh, I missed your question about that. I did that the other day and they said the SMIC will be $895, but with the preorder discount $795.
We'll see what they tell you.

[jrok24k]

the SMIC seems promising, but for that price another $100 is a FMIC

[Evo Racewerks]

And combined size, the 2 SMIC's are as large as some intercoolers if not bigger. The 2 SMIC's are almost as large our Competition FMIC in total core size.

The SMIC's are for people who want to be stealthy and don't want a FMIC. At the current intro sale of $795 for 2 SMIC's, I don't see how it can be cheaper.

the SMIC seems promising, but for that price another $100 is a FMIC

[jrok24k]

And combined size, the 2 SMIC's are as large as some intercoolers if not bigger. The 2 SMIC's are almost as large our Competition FMIC in total core size.

The SMIC's are for people who want to be stealthy and don't want a FMIC. At the current intro sale of $795 for 2 SMIC's, I don't see how it can be cheaper.

oh i wasn't saying it should be cheaper i was just pointing out the fact that for a little more we could get the fmic... i am actually one of the ppl that prefer smic so i may go with this setup :)

[Sanjman]

I have to give it up to AWE that were able to provide us with a FMIC that fits WITH the crashbar!

[Sharkfin]

The OEM bumper reinforcement bar is in the car. It has been modified to fit the new large FMIC. It is the only modification needed and is fairly easy and straightforward to do. The OEM bumper reinforcement bar is aluminum. There is no bumper modifications needed.

We typically make a new bumper reinforcement bar to replace the OEM one like in our previous applications for the A4. However, we want to try to keep things economic especially during these times and figured most would rather put in an extra 30 min of work instead of spending $200. The B7 A4 FMIC is currently our most economical Competition Series FMIC to date. If there is a demand for a new bumper reinforcement bar, we will make one.

Gsxtasee's car was used as the prototype car so this is the prototype unit. However, he left me his car for quite some time so I had time to go through the different revisions I typically do while R&D parts. This is going to be the final version that make it to production.

are you an official audizine advertiser?

[Evo Racewerks]

Thanks for the future support! When I was R&Ding the SMIC's, I was trying my best to keep it as economical as possible, you know what I mean.

oh i wasn't saying it should be cheaper i was just pointing out the fact that for a little more we could get the fmic... i am actually one of the ppl that prefer smic so i may go with this setup :)

Every company has their own style and theories on how they build their products. If not, everyone's stuff would look identical.

I chose not to go with a thin core. Having a thin core would require the need for the core to go tall, like the AWE FMIC to get the core size require to even make a difference in intake air temperatures. I'm sure many of you guys know that the B7 A4 has 2 OEM SMIC's which is a big improvement over the B5/B6 single SMIC. Air wants to travel through the least resistance. Therefore, unless you actually have a massive build up of pressure in the FMIC (which causes pressure drop), the air will want to travel straight from inlet to outlet. Since the inlet/outlet of the FMIC almost always sits at the bottom of the core, air will want to travel through the bottom and will not want to travel on the top of the FMIC, thereby loosing potential efficiency of the FMIC. Also, I did not want to block the whole face of the radiator with the FMIC. We live in SoCal and in the summers, heat is an issue. We wanted to keep the top face of the radiator open and not reduce coolant cooling efficiency.

So as you can see, every company's got their own design and theories. I'm sure the AWE FMIC works great and so does ours. It's all up to you guys what you're looking for.

I have to give it up to AWE that were able to provide us with a FMIC that fits WITH the crashbar!

[Sharkfin]

?^

[Evo Racewerks]

No, we're not an official AZ advertiser. We do not sell retail. All our sales are done through our authorized dealers, which many of them (if not all) are AZ advertisers. I am sure they will be doing their own sales pitches later on. I am only here to answer questions. I posted pics on behalf of gsxtasee as he is currently on a military base and can't do so.

We've been building parts for Audi's and have been on AZ for many years now.

BTW, I don't type fast so I was getting to your question.

are you an official audizine advertiser?

[Sharkfin]

thanks for the clarification!

[Todd/AWE]

I chose not to go with a thin core. Having a thin core would require the need for the core to go tall, like the AWE FMIC to get the core size require to even make a difference in intake air temperatures. I'm sure many of you guys know that the B7 A4 has 2 OEM SMIC's which is a big improvement over the B5/B6 single SMIC. Air wants to travel through the least resistance. Therefore, unless you actually have a massive build up of pressure in the FMIC (which causes pressure drop), the air will want to travel straight from inlet to outlet. Since the inlet/outlet of the FMIC almost always sits at the bottom of the core, air will want to travel through the bottom and will not want to travel on the top of the FMIC, thereby loosing potential efficiency of the FMIC. Also, I did not want to block the whole face of the radiator with the FMIC. We live in SoCal and in the summers, heat is an issue. We wanted to keep the top face of the radiator open and not reduce coolant cooling efficiency.

Hi Fred,

Nice product. Clean fabrication work as always from you guys.

However, just a couple comments regarding intercooler theory:

Increased exposed surface area is always superior to increased thickness. Increased thickness is better than nothing, but because of the heat from exchange that is carried through the thickness of the core as the outside air travels through it, cooling becomes less efficient as you approach the back of the core. In other words, the outside air towards the back of the core is much hotter than when it enters the front, which reduces its ability to wick away heat.

Of course internal air management is critical for proper dispersion through the core, and what you say is correct regarding a tall core with inlet at the bottom. That is why we spent considerable time computer modeling air flow with our tall core, and designed an inlet tank that has a diverter vane in it. CFD modeling can reveal turbulent areas in the tank that can be improved with reconfigured geometry.

We were concerned with cooling system heat, too, as we saw unacceptable coolant spikes when using a FMIC on the B5 S4. However, we have done extensive data logging on the street and track in extreme heat and there are no issues with our design.

Lastly, the pressure drop from the two side cores is pretty bad with the stock design once you increase flow even with a chip.

Anyway, just wanted to set the record straight. Good luck with your product!

[gsxtasee]

And Thusly, that's why there are more companies offering more than one choice for designs of products that do the same thing.. so we, as paying consumers, have options and choices for products to fit our individual needs and design concerns. Some like 'em thick, some like 'em long... (LOL -lil "dick joke" there) but the bottom line is, as Fred and AWE have said.. each has their pros and cons as nearly everything in life is a compromise of one type or another.

Each has brought their best offering to the table, both offer great products, and both get the job done. as consumers, it is our job to evaluate what our individual goals are for YOUR CUSTOM car build and select the product that meets your design requirements.

[gsxtasee]

And now, someone needs to bug Fred to get him to meet me in Vegas this weekend!!! and to make a downpipe for the B7 while he has mine in his care!!

[Evo Racewerks]

Thanks Todd! As always, you guys set the bar high that I only hope to overcome.

You are correct, frontal expose surface area is always superior over thickness, as long as you have evenly dispersed airflow through the core and can take advantage of the larger frontal surface area. I'm sure you guys have that already figured out.

Air traveling through the core does pick up heat and reduces efficiency as it travels through it, however it is more prevalent on really thick cores. I don't know the specs on yours, but ours is 3". Our B5 and B6 applications use a 3" thick core and as you know, efficiency nor heat soak was ever an issue with our high density bar and plate core. Our intake air temps are always near ambient and within a 3 to 4 degree delta, even with back to back runs.

In designing parts, it's always always a compromise between one thing or another and each come with a different approach. We chose to go thicker to have optimum internal flow characteristics while you went thinner for better frontal surface area. As always, variety in design is great. I'm sure you guys would put my face on a dart board if our FMIC looked like yours .

Hi Fred,

Nice product. Clean fabrication work as always from you guys.

However, just a couple comments regarding intercooler theory:

Increased exposed surface area is always superior to increased thickness. Increased thickness is better than nothing, but because of the heat from exchange that is carried through the thickness of the core as the outside air travels through it, cooling becomes less efficient as you approach the back of the core. In other words, the outside air towards the back of the core is much hotter than when it enters the front, which reduces its ability to wick away heat.

Of course internal air management is critical for proper dispersion through the core, and what you say is correct regarding a tall core with inlet at the bottom. That is why we spent considerable time computer modeling air flow with our tall core, and designed an inlet tank that has a diverter vane in it. CFD modeling can reveal turbulent areas in the tank that can be improved with reconfigured geometry.

We were concerned with cooling system heat, too, as we saw unacceptable coolant spikes when using a FMIC on the B5 S4. However, we have done extensive data logging on the street and track in extreme heat and there are no issues with our design.

Lastly, the pressure drop from the two side cores is pretty bad with the stock design once you increase flow even with a chip.

Anyway, just wanted to set the record straight. Good luck with your product!

[Evo Racewerks]

It's this weekend??? I'm broke

And now, someone needs to bug Fred to get him to meet me in Vegas this weekend!!! and to make a downpipe for the B7 while he has mine in his care!!

[Alkemix]

I'm sure you guys would put my face on a dart board if our FMIC looked like yours .

Touche. You guys are hilarious.

[DownUnderSLine]

Evolution Racewerks SMIC's look like they might be promising

Agreed !!! I like the looks of these.

ER - will there be any before & after dyno comparisons to show the gains ?

[Evo Racewerks]

Yes, there will be dyno sheets available in the future. HP gains will vary from car to car based on modifications so I feel it's not a very accurate way to show it's effectiveness. For example a car with a turbo upgrade pushing more boost will see more HP gains than a completely stock car because the car with the turbo upgrade will have higher intake air temperatures.

Best way to show effectiveness of an intercooler is intake air temperatures. I will have test number for the FMIC in a few days. The SMIC test numbers, I would have to find a local test car. I prototyped the SMIC's on Gsxtasee's car. However, he wanted FMIC and I don't think it's fair for me to use his car to test the SMIC since he came in for the FMIC.

BTW, anyone Socal interested in being a beta tester? You'll get a good discount and free installation. If you're interested, e-mail me at [email protected].

Agreed !!! I like the looks of these.

ER - will there be any before & after dyno comparisons to show the gains ?

[ray-ray]

drop your tools for a minute or two and check your e-mail buddy

Yes, there will be dyno sheets available in the future. HP gains will vary from car to car based on modifications so I feel it's not a very accurate way to show it's effectiveness. For example a car with a turbo upgrade pushing more boost will see more HP gains than a completely stock car because the car with the turbo upgrade will have higher intake air temperatures.

Best way to show effectiveness of an intercooler is intake air temperatures. I will have test number for the FMIC in a few days. The SMIC test numbers, I would have to find a local test car. I prototyped the SMIC's on Gsxtasee's car. However, he wanted FMIC and I don't think it's fair for me to use his car to test the SMIC since he came in for the FMIC.

BTW, anyone Socal interested in being a beta tester? You'll get a good discount and free installation. If you're interested, e-mail me at [email protected].

[gsxtasee]

Update:

The wife and I got home last night and stopped by ER on our way through L.A. so my wife could see her baby. She LOVES her car and is really impressed with the look of teh Evolution Racewerks FMIC. Though she doesn't really know what all the stuff does she is really enjoying modding her first "toy car" and was impressed with the ER FMIC's effect on performance.

My wife told me when we got home that she's now concerned about getting a ticket as her A4 runs up to the fun end of the speedometer so quickly and effortlessly now that she frequently and unexpectedly found herself at excessive speeds and had to back off some.

We'll post daytime pics of the car after we wash it and get some of our affairs in order from being away from home so long.

[Evo Racewerks]

Happy she's happy!

Update:

The wife and I got home last night and stopped by ER on our way through L.A. so my wife could see her baby. She LOVES her car and is really impressed with the look of teh Evolution Racewerks FMIC. Though she doesn't really know what all the stuff does she is really enjoying modding her first "toy car" and was impressed with the ER FMIC's effect on performance.

My wife told me when we got home that she's now concerned about getting a ticket as her A4 runs up to the fun end of the speedometer so quickly and effortlessly now that she frequently and unexpectedly found herself at excessive speeds and had to back off some.

We'll post daytime pics of the car after we wash it and get some of our affairs in order from being away from home so long.

[06B7audiA4]

Update:

The wife and I got home last night and stopped by ER on our way through L.A. so my wife could see her baby. She LOVES her car and is really impressed with the look of teh Evolution Racewerks FMIC. Though she doesn't really know what all the stuff does she is really enjoying modding her first "toy car" and was impressed with the ER FMIC's effect on performance.

My wife told me when we got home that she's now concerned about getting a ticket as her A4 runs up to the fun end of the speedometer so quickly and effortlessly now that she frequently and unexpectedly found herself at excessive speeds and had to back off some.

We'll post daytime pics of the car after we wash it and get some of our affairs in order from being away from home so long.

ALL FROM A FMIC????? chip, exhuast(testpipe), intake, then fmic....ull feel a difference then...If ur boosting at stock levels the fmic is pointless I feel..until you hit 90deg or more weather.

And how do you feel about not having a crash bar...dont you feel unsafe? With they would incorporate it into there next design. :P

[Evo Racewerks]

In 90 degree temperature, heatsoaking is more prevalent as your starting Intake Air Temps (IAT) is higher. Doesn't mean that when it's cold it doesn't happen. Just that the starting IAT is lower. It all depends on your mods as you say. His wife's car is chipped.

Our FMIC's are known to work extremely well. This is how we built a reputation of the best Audi intercoolers available. This FMIC is no different. I've done initial datalogging and the numbers are there. Ambient temp 25C. ER Competition FMIC IAT's 27C at it's lowest and 31C at it's highest. IAT's get lower higher up in the rpm band as the car picks up more speed. This is from a 1st to top of 4th gear pull. Basic rule of thumb, 10 degrees lower intake temp = 1% increase (give or take). I didn't log stock IAT's however the next test car we have we will be logging that.

His crash bar or bumper reinforcement bar is still on the car. It has just been modified to fit the FMIC. I just didn't post the picture with the bar on. It's primary job is for 5mph impacts. The bumper reinforcement shocks (shocks that attach to the bar and the car) are what takes the primary force. With the bar still there (just modified), it still does it's job.

I'm still on the fence on whether to offer a new bumper bar like our other applications. I just figured people would rather modify the OEM bar than spend extra money on a new one. With our B5/B6 applications, people rather buy the cheaper version than the Full Kit.

ALL FROM A FMIC????? chip, exhuast(testpipe), intake, then fmic....ull feel a difference then...If ur boosting at stock levels the fmic is pointless I feel..until you hit 90deg or more weather.

And how do you feel about not having a crash bar...dont you feel unsafe? With they would incorporate it into there next design. :P

[ray-ray]

ALL FROM A FMIC????? chip, exhuast(testpipe), intake, then fmic....ull feel a difference then...If ur boosting at stock levels the fmic is pointless I feel..until you hit 90deg or more weather.

And how do you feel about not having a crash bar...dont you feel unsafe? With they would incorporate it into there next design. :P

you said yourself that if you are boosting at stock levels, then the FMIC is pointless. Not completely true, esp if you do a few pulls consecutively. I know for daily driving that isn't practical to just drive like a jackass and rev hard from gear to gear, but what that does is show the efficiency of the FMIC.

The more you run the turbo and the harder you run it, the hotter the air it will blow, and the FMICs job is to cool that air the turbo produces. of course, the lower the intake temps the more power and efficient the car will run.

ER's kit like fred said in earlier Posts does run the stock support bar, its just modified. So there is no harm in running this kit at all. hope that clears some questions you may have had.

[Turn10]

Yeah, throw us some heat sheets for the SMIC. Those look somewhat promising.

[DownUnderSLine]

BUMP for an update.

Any developments on those fat SMICs ??

[dougyfresh]

FMIC:
Here's more info:
http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/product.php?prodid=40

And here's a good AZ advertiser to buy them from:
http://shop.dthaus.com/product.sc?ca...&productId=117


SMIC:
info:http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/product.php?prodid=39


purchase:
http://shop.dthaus.com/product.sc?ca...&productId=118