Cam lobe wear

[Eurotrash8]

I looked around a bit but does anyone know if there is a TSB from Audi?

If my warranty runs out is this a costly procedure? How much?

TIA

[Jaki]

Yes there is. I just got my car back from the dealer about 2 hours ago for having that fixed. The TSB# is 2013147/8. They replaced the cam follower, camshaft, all gaskets, filter, and engine oil.

They also did the recall on the PCV valve and fuel pressure sensor.

[supamannn99]

how do you get your dealer to do this? My car's symptoms lead to cam lobe wear but i have no CEL.

[Jaki]

how do you get your dealer to do this? My car's symptoms lead to cam lobe wear but i have no CEL.

One of my coils went bad, and when I took the car in to get the coil replaced the dealer told me that in order to do any warranty work they also have to do all the TSB's. The cam lobe wear was one of the TSB's. This wasn't an Audi dealer itself, but its a high end dealer that sells Audi's and does all warranty work for Audi.

[artinmoTTion]

Interesting, wish there was an option like this near me. They may get their claim to Audi rejected though and not get paid for their work on your car if you didn't have any codes leading to cam lobe wear. To answer the earlier question, this is an expensive repair.....have seen estimates given people here of over $5k to replace everything, but others can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this. It's just definitely an expensive post-warranty proposition, so I'd love to get mine checked out before the warranty's gone. Unless it's a unique situation like that, though, the investigation will likely be on your dime unless there's codes. I believe that by that time, the problem's already pretty bad. Any more info Jaki? Thanks...

[Mike@APR]

You can read the Audi TSB for the cam lobe in the instruction manual for our upgraded FSI pump...


http://www.goapr.com/Audi/support/fs...stallation.pdf

[Jaki]

Interesting, wish there was an option like this near me. They may get their claim to Audi rejected though and not get paid for their work on your car if you didn't have any codes leading to cam lobe wear. To answer the earlier question, this is an expensive repair.....have seen estimates given people here of over $5k to replace everything, but others can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this. It's just definitely an expensive post-warranty proposition, so I'd love to get mine checked out before the warranty's gone. Unless it's a unique situation like that, though, the investigation will likely be on your dime unless there's codes. I believe that by that time, the problem's already pretty bad. Any more info Jaki? Thanks...

You're right about the codes. I just read over the invoice again, and this is word for word what the technician wrote under the notes section:

"TSB# 2013147/8 excessive wear on cam follower and camshaft lobe. Performed GFF found codes P0087 & P1093. As per TSB # 2013147/8 if faults are present remove high pressure fuel pump and check follower for wear. I then blead high fuel pressure, removed negative battery terminal, removed high pressure fuel pump and inspected. Found follower and cam lobe worn (as per TSB replace cam, follower and perform LOF). I then set the lock carrier in service position, removed ribbed belt, removed rear chain cover, removed valve cover, removed cam sprocket and t-belt, removed cam adjuster, removed cam cap cover, replaced intake cam shaft, reinstalled all the above with new gaskets, replaced high pressure cam follower, reinstalled high pressure fuel pump, restored electrical power, erased fault memory and test drove vehicle."

So they did find the codes. Although when I took the car in, they told me it was just the coil, but in order to do the coil under warranty they would have to do all of the open recalls and tsb's as well. They hadn't told me about the cam lobe until I came to pick up the car. That seems like quite a bit of work that they did, along with replacing 2 other coils, doing the PCV recall and the fuel pressure sensor recall. They also threw in a free wash and wax. Looking at these 3 pages of work they did, I'm surprised they finished it in a day.

These are all of the parts they replaced when doing the work on the cam:
-Cam Follow
-Camshaft
-2 gaskets
-new sealent
-engine oil (synthetic)
-oil filter

[artinmoTTion]

great info, thanks!

[Glassnpowder98]

Wow, that is some great info. Thanks for posting! I'm sure a lot of people will be looking for those codes now. It sounds like you deal with a great dealership. I wish I could say the same about mine... However, they misdiagnose my problems and then deny warranty work due to having an air intake.

[Dangler]

My dealership was awesome about the cam shaft, Jack Daniels Audi in NJ, who btw has a "motorsports division", They do installs of Stasis, Giac, and a bunch of other aftermarket upgrades, and still cover stuff under warranty.

I just told them i was experiencing fuel cut, and on two occasions i threw a CEL when i cut. I didn't get this everytime, but i knew the two time the light came on, a fuel cut code was stored. They planned on swapping the cam, before they even scanned it! and even though i was flash with GIAC at watefest by awe-tuning and not by jack daniels, they still covered me under warranty.

[Heratik]

Would throwing a CEL under hard acceleration be a symptom of camshaft/follower wear? I've had one twice in the last 2-3 months and they appeared under the exact same circumstances. The first time it went off I wasn't able to get the car into the dealership before it reset and deleted the code. The second time happened today while accelerating onto the freeway. I hope this time it stays on so they can get to the bottom of this tomorrow morning.

[bblume]

Would throwing a CEL under hard acceleration be a symptom of camshaft/follower wear? I've had one twice in the last 2-3 months and they appeared under the exact same circumstances. The first time it went off I wasn't able to get the car into the dealership before it reset and deleted the code. The second time happened today while accelerating onto the freeway. I hope this time it stays on so they can get to the bottom of this tomorrow morning.

In your situation a CEL is a green light!
I think most of who are running with mods would hope to have this happen
since there is a TSB but many dealerships won't touch it unless there's a light.
Keep that light on and take it in!

My car was bucking and losing power on mtn acceleration and it didn't throw a
CEL but a Code was noted on the ECU and my independent tech pulled it for me. I wonder if CPO would cover this as well?

[rnp614]

This shit is what is keeping me back from getting an exhaust installed. So worried about cam problems....

[dougyfresh]

The best thing to do is to pull the HPFP every 3,000-5,000miles and inspect the cam follower for wear as well as the cam lobe. Then again, most of you guys are under warranty anyway so just have your dealer do it and pay attention to service intervals.

[Sal_B7]

yeah the best thing to do is keep an eye on it. The lil stuff now will keep from a big problem happening later.

[q-car]

Will the dealer actually do this without charging for it if I ask them to? I can hear them now "No CEL, no need to check it"

[jmars]

^^^^^^ those are my thoughts exactly

[dougyfresh]

Will the dealer actually do this without charging for it if I ask them to? I can hear them now "No CEL, no need to check it"

If there is a TSB for them to check it at XXX mileage then they will. Otherwise, I doubt it. It costs money to do warranty work and since you (the customer) is not paying someone has to...

If you are an enthusiast (as everyone contributing to these forums is... in my opinion) I would follow what Mike@APR has posted (post #6) up earlier in this thread and learn how to check your follower. Start on page six and go from there.

[p1nk50ck]

Will the dealer actually do this without charging for it if I ask them to? I can hear them now "No CEL, no need to check it"

that's what my dealership told me when i took the car in on monday.

[jmars]

I get a grind or maybe a rough feeling when I'm on the highway in 6th gear. I usually feel it when I'm going to pass someone at aobut 75-80 or so. I've had my PCV replaced already but if I read things correct then isn't this a cam issue?? Oh and I'm chipped

I ask b/c I'm under warranty still.

Think taking a tech out for a ride would change things? Or should I wail on it till a CEL come on.........obvi not what I'd like to do?

[Heratik]

Dealership called me back. They said it was a faulty full pressure sensor. I'm kinda bummed that's all it was.

[Chb04]

What model years does this cover I have a 2007 B7 2.0T?

[viziers]

It covers all B7 model years 2005.5 to current B7 2.0T FSI's


vizi

[GottaAudi2]

Dealership called me back. They said it was a faulty full pressure sensor. I'm kinda bummed that's all it was.

Same here. I threw a CEL, took to dealer and mentioned the Cam TSB. They did an inspection, replaced the fuel pressure sensor during first visit. Threw a CEL again - took it back and they replaced the fuel pump. Haven't had a CEL since and the dealer said the Cam looked good. That was about 4 months ago and I'm at 40K miles on my 05.5.

[sloMk5]

early builds should check their intake cam

[Sal_B7]

thanks for info

[gaede]

So you guys just bring your car to the service dept and say "hey there's a TSB!" and give them the number and they'll replace all of that?

hah, i asked my service rep the other day if there was any recalls/updates recently and he said nope. wtf?

[UFfitz56]

Are the 2005's the most affected?

[sloMk5]

The earlier the build date the more likely you are to have a soft A cam. I don't know the specifics with the Audi's, but with the VW's the '05 and early '06 builds have the old cam.

The TSB basically calls for a new intake camshaft, cam follower, and high pressure fuel pump, only if the follower has been punched through taking out all three parts. So even though you might have an A cam, they might not do anything about it until it's pretty much catastrophic failure. The HPFP lobe is a little starved for oil so the followers wear prematurely, and if let go for too long the HPFP plunger punches a hole through them.

Cam check DIY: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3754451

Cam follower DIY: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3750088

I know it's for VW, but you get the idea...

[eskimopunk]

got a service appt. tomorrow at audi to check it out

[Eurotrash8]

How much is a 2 piece cam if you dont want to bother kissing the dealers ass to replace it?

ANything (performance) aftermarket?

[ggg20t]

^ I would like to know this also. My warranty is up in april, i have a 2005.5 and the damn thing has had no problems with these parts. Would a warranty extension be cheaper than buying a hpfp, intake cam .. and the other parts necessary?

[TurbousMaximus]

If they go bad, are they replacing them with revised parts or is it just going to keep happening?

[ggg20t]

revised parts. But from the info ive gathered from various threads, these revised parts can handle a chip/exhaust etc..

[TurbousMaximus]

Do some of our cars have the revised part? Is there any correlation between having the newer fuel pump and having a newer cam?

[petesi7]

just got this done on my 2006 a4 2.0qt...engine code p 2293 (cam lobe wear) would have cost $1500... work done under warranty.

[rnp614]

In your situation a CEL is a green light!
I think most of who are running with mods would hope to have this happen
since there is a TSB but many dealerships won't touch it unless there's a light.
Keep that light on and take it in!

My car was bucking and losing power on mtn acceleration and it didn't throw a
CEL but a Code was noted on the ECU and my independent tech pulled it for me. I wonder if CPO would cover this as well?

WHen this happened to me it was because of a cracked coil pack....that was the code they pulled from my car anyways. 2007 for all thats worth.

[Holger B]

Just got my '06 with 40k miles fixed for this. Had an intermittent CEL and then started running rough with flashing CEL. Dealer replaced coils and cam, follower, fuel pump, etc. Codes were P0300, P0301 (for misfiring) and P2293 (fuel pressure). TSB's: 2013147/8 (cam), 0201232/1 (coils)

Runs fine now.

[tmqv34]

Yes, your car must be under warranty than? Mine is not...

Yes there is. I just got my car back from the dealer about 2 hours ago for having that fixed. The TSB# is 2013147/8. They replaced the cam follower, camshaft, all gaskets, filter, and engine oil.

They also did the recall on the PCV valve and fuel pressure sensor.

[Bashbro]

Yes, your car must be under warranty than? Mine is not...

Hopefully this bumps to the top... I my 07 a4 has been hard to start last couple days. Three error code. P2239 and from what I read its it's a cam lobe wear issue. I also see from this thread there is a TSB that covers this. Well I just passed my 100k cpo a month ago... I had an intermediate service done before this and asked the. To check all things that may be a problem. Was the dealer supposed to find this and tell me about the problem and at least check the issue. I very highly doubt the wear was caused just in the last month. Or do they only do the TSB work if you ask?