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    Post dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

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    Most of you probably know what has been going on the past few months. I won't spare you the details with how my tune came to be (PM me and we'll chat). Lets try to keep that out of this thread.

    Last Wednesday I ventured down to AutoSpeed Performance in South New Jersey to pick up my Avant. I arrived and the Avant was still on the dyno and Mark was finishing up my race fuel file. We unstrapped 'her and went for a ride with some 109 in the tank. OMFG! The car pulled hard. Power is very smooth and feels linear (as the chart shows). It was hard for me to stop at a BP and put 93octane in the tank.

    My impressions after driving it for a few days:
    Idle is spot on and very smooth on both 109 and 93. Cold starts and hot restarts are as if the car was 100% bone stock. Fires up within one crank of the engine. Part throttle response is impressive. This car is extremely street-able and drives so smoothly. Step on it in any gear and the Avant takes off. Launch in 1st gear and redline arrives rather quickly. This is exactly what I was looking for when I set out to build my car to its current state. The numbers are what they are. I really care about how the car drives on the street and its pretty impressive. Mark showed me dyno graphs from a 30minute window. We overlayed all of them and they are ontop of each other. IATs only creep into the 30C range. Can you say repeatable power?


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    Forced induction:
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    - ASP GT28RS hardware kit (cast manifold, 200cell HFC/Downpipe, braided stainless steel turbo oil & coolant lines, 630cc injectors, 3" MAF housing w/ 1.8T sensor, ASP silicon TIP, ITG air filter)
    - ASP FMIC
    - Exhaust manifold, turbine housing and HFC/downpipe are ceramic coated

    Tuning:
    - Custom Me7.5 tune written by ASP consisting of:
    - 93octane 'low boost' file
    - 93octane 'high boost' file
    - 109octane 'race gas' file
    - valet mode
    - ignition kill
    - SAI delete

    Other stuff while the 2.0L was constructed:
    - 2.8L 5spd manual trans
    - 4:1 center diff
    - 034 MotorSport Street Density motor & transmission mounts
    - JHM 'solid' shifter & shifter linkage, bushings & Delrin shift knob
    - custom boost gauge in rear view mirror
    - 034 MotorSport B6 High-Output Fuel Pump
    - SouthBend OFE SS clutch w/ OEM Dual Mass Flywheel
    - drive-way motor swap


    Keep in mind these particular graphs do not go up to redline (around 7400rpm for me). Reason being was there are over 500miles on the dyno to get 1) Me7.5 figured out and 2) my files written from scratch. Mark did not take my car up to redline every single time but the files are written and work well up there. I will be getting more data as time marches on as well. Next time I'm back at ASP (later this month) we'll get some full pulls. I am also going to EPL this coming Saturday with a tank of C12 fuel so I'll be sure we get some full pulls there .


    93octane fuel
    93octane 'high boost' file
    N75 controlled boost
    partial dyno pull
    uncorrected numbers


    109octane fuel
    109octane 'race gas' file
    N75 controlled boost
    partial dyno pull
    uncorrected numbers


    I will have logs to go with these dyno pulls soon. A/F, timing advance and everything is spot on.


    We explored a lot of avenues within the ECU to hone in on the files I currently have. Higher boost on my car did not necessarily mean more power (naturally, given the turbo's efficiency window). What does this all mean? There is another source for tuning and for tuning these BAT and fully built motor projects you guys have. Both B5 and B6...
    -Doug
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    Registered User Four Rings winston@podi.ca's Avatar
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Good to hear you finally got the wagon back.

    Nice numbers too

    I don't think spinning it to redline would have done much better looking at how the torque curve is tapering down

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Killerteve's Avatar
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Gratz man, it's been a while in the making. Can't wait to see some redline pulls!
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    what boost were you running on the race gas file? nice numbers for sure, hope to see them again this weekend!
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlescrs6 View Post
    what boost were you running on the race gas file? nice numbers for sure, hope to see them again this weekend!
    Looks like 25psi on the dyno plot

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    I'm glad it's done, and the power looks VERY smooth, but the #'s seem a bit weak.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Thanks guys. It is so good to be driving the Avant again.

    Boost is in green. Around 24psi on the pump gas and 26psi on the race fuel file. Timing curves look much different too.
    -Doug
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlescrs6 View Post
    what boost were you running on the race gas file? nice numbers for sure, hope to see them again this weekend!
    Boost is on the graph.

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    to think if you would have pulled the trigger on a 30 series or better we would be shitting our selves in sure. 330whp from race gas is insane, very smooth power delivery super jealous
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Torque curve is super steet friendly.

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Supreme View Post
    Boost is on the graph.
    yeah... missed that
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by IronAudi View Post
    to think if you would have pulled the trigger on a 30 series or better we would be shitting our selves in sure. 330whp from race gas is insane, very smooth power delivery super jealous
    Yup. That doesn't mean you guys can't do that

    Perhaps another vehicle or another life of this vehicle. In the meantime I'll enjoy what I currently have.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    cant wait to get a ride @ epl dyno day ;)

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Some photos from Friday night's GTG in New Jersey (lighting was pretty shitty)

    courtesy of fellow B7 owner 'jrok24k'

    More are here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...43#post3112943


    Last edited by dougyfresh; 12-01-2008 at 07:42 PM.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Good to see you all set up and running! Congrats Doug.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    damnit. stop teasing...

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    I hear good things about ASP...the shop by my house swears by them...and I know they make sick power on the B5 S4 platform.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    nice
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Congrats man! Must be nice to be back in the Avant....

    Were you driving the Jeep around?
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Congrats. I'm glad to see it up and running.

    Considering the numbers and setup, it looks pretty stout.

    I don't see any water/meth inj, is that a future thing, or you just don't want to?
    ... You're up to modded E46 M3 numbers, go find one and make it your bitch.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    hmm... I would have expected more like 310whp 300wtq on 93 with that setup.
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    Gone but not forgotten 437whp on 93 octane and washer fluid injection A4 12.2 best ET, 12.3@119 best overall
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by djwimbo View Post
    ... You're up to modded E46 M3 numbers, go find one and make it your bitch.
    My car on 93 octane and meth made 301whp 300wtq with my stock 1.8 liter engine and gtrs turbo. I raced two M3s with it like that and was side by side up to around 120mph when both M3s then let off.
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    Gone but not forgotten 437whp on 93 octane and washer fluid injection A4 12.2 best ET, 12.3@119 best overall
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Doug: Impressive. Thats the car most of us here would want to drive!

    Take good care of your car and enjoy it!
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by A4 TSCHUSS View Post
    hmm... I would have expected more like 310whp 300wtq on 93 with that setup.
    Probably would have been with no cat.

    Looks nice Doug
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    Veteran Member Four Rings A4 TSCHUSS's Avatar
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    True, forgot he has a cat. Dont know about 30whp increase with cat delete though, maybe 15whp
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    Gone but not forgotten 437whp on 93 octane and washer fluid injection A4 12.2 best ET, 12.3@119 best overall
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by A4 TSCHUSS View Post
    My car on 93 octane and meth made 301whp 300wtq with my stock 1.8 liter engine and gtrs turbo. I raced two M3s with it like that and was side by side up to around 120mph when both M3s then let off.
    They should have a weight advantage, and better gearing.

    I just want to stop M3 people from laughing at me at the track. (inside I'm laughing b/c they spent too much money)
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    i have an evil smile on my face now, hehe
    congrats doug
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Been driving the Jeep around. Its uncomfortable.

    No meth injection. Not on my plan. As much as I fully understand the concept something just scares me about injecting a water mix into my engine after the money I have spent on building it...



    The numbers are what they are. You guys should know better that this is one set from one particular dyno. Things will fluctuate and absolute values of the peak numbers will differ. You'll see once I get some data from EPL's dyno this coming weekend. Besides, I'm concerned with the area under the curve and how the car drives on the street.


    Here's my charts overlaid with a bone stock B6 A4 1.8TQM that was dynoed only a few days earlier than my charts. Granted its not the same day, same exact conditions, but you get the overall idea.

    93octane -vs stock (dotted)


    109octane -vs- stock (dotted)






    I've gotta go tend to a huge box from ER that arrived today. Enjoy!
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    what a sleeper and beautiful color!
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    ^^x2

    congrats more than enough power for the road.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    very nice doug! i bet that thing pulls nice and strong.

    hopefully you won't be the only one putting up dyno charts this week.... *crosses fingers that Fedex doesn't fuck this up*
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by actlsub9 View Post
    Probably would have been with no cat.

    Looks nice Doug
    the stock cat, yes. but not a 200cel HFC. that's about as restrictive as an air filter.

    i'd call ~5whp from it
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    you have some high numbers,I would love to have that kind of power

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    nice numbers. im looking to get around the same when i get around to doing my gt28rs next summer.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Quote Originally Posted by B6Lovin View Post
    very nice doug! i bet that thing pulls nice and strong.

    hopefully you won't be the only one putting up dyno charts this week.... *crosses fingers that Fedex doesn't fuck this up*
    Let us know how it goes, Daniel. Looking forward to hearing about it.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Nice charts Doug! Looks like your car can actually make nice power down low around 3,000-3,500, as opposed to many that don't begin until 4,000+. Yay for the 2.0!

    I totally agree that the car being streetable is much more important than peak power. Area under the curve > height of the curve. Nothing is worse than a dyno queen.


    Congrats on getting the avant back! I'll be in CT soon, possibly on the 13-14 of Dec. I DEFINITELY need a ride!

    Did Mark have any input on the effects of the HFC on power? Im very curious considering I'll be running one as well.
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Nicely done Doug.

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Looks good...

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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    Looks really good for a custom tune...
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    Re: dyno graphs (yes, my Avant is tuned and making good, streetable power)

    great numbers
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