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    WTF is going on?

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    I come home today and turn off the B5 2.8, about 5-10s later I hear what sounds like a vacuum cleaner running on the passenger side of the engine. Every so often the vacuum turns on and then off...

    cooling fans are definitely not spinning

    does the 2.8 have an electric water pump? If so, i'm not sure why it would turn on...car wasnt even at max operating temp. Ambient temp is like 27/28F. What is this noise i am hearing?
    Last edited by drexplode; 11-21-2008 at 05:33 PM.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Secondary air injection pump maybe.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by yung turbo View Post
    Secondary air injection pump maybe.
    That would definitely be my guess, but mine "runs" only when the car is running. You can bypass it but it's not a cheap job, my mechanic told me that the thing could go out completely and the car would still run perfectly. If you have a CEL that is probably the cause.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings drexplode's Avatar
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by yung turbo View Post
    Secondary air injection pump maybe.
    Thats what my mechanic said too...but why in the hell would it be running when the car is off?

    I just disconnected the battery to avoid a dead battery in the morning...

    Are they easy to replace?

    I have a CEL anyway because of an exhaust issue, but not a biggy... but i dont have a reader so im not sure if there a CEL for this problem.
    Last edited by drexplode; 11-21-2008 at 04:28 PM.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    it stays running or it shuts off after a couple seconds?


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    Re: WTF is going on?

    when i got home it stayed on for a probably 60-90s, shut-off, then intermittently turn on for a few seconds (5-10) and then turn-off... the intermittent on/off happened 5-10X more. Finally, I just yanked the -neg terminal on the battery.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by drexplode View Post
    when i got home it stayed on for a probably 60-90s, shut-off, then intermittently turn on for a few seconds (5-10) and then turn-off... the intermittent on/off happened 5-10X more. Finally, I just yanked the -neg terminal on the battery.
    Mine will run for about 20 seconds when I first turn the car on then go off.. and sometimes run when sitting idle at a stop sign or red light.

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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by a4937 View Post
    Mine will run for about 20 seconds when I first turn the car on then go off.. and sometimes run when sitting idle at a stop sign or red light.
    thats normal.

    drexplode sounds like the secondary air pump is dying....


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    Veteran Member Three Rings drexplode's Avatar
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    bah, SOB. A coolant leak 2-3 weeks ago, and now another problem... B5 is just checking to see if i still love her. After buying Adam's B5-S4, she knows...

    DIY for SAI?

    Damn, $300?? http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...20@Smog%20Pump

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    any risk of damaging other components while driving around with the problem? since it runs after key-off then I should probably disconnect the battery everytime to avoid killing it.
    Last edited by drexplode; 11-21-2008 at 07:37 PM.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    remove it for now. you don't need it.

    and if you have emissions, then just make sure you get it back in there by inspection time..

    or if you don't have emissions. leave it out
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by sean1.8t View Post
    remove it for now. you don't need it.

    and if you have emissions, then just make sure you get it back in there by inspection time..

    or if you don't have emissions. leave it out

    thanks Sean. any DIY or pictures you know of to remove it? Or maybe a fuse i can pull to avoid draining the battery? no emissions in MI.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    haha i just re-connected my battery and immediately the SAI pump started to whine... this is the m-fer making the noise:







    Last edited by drexplode; 11-21-2008 at 08:41 PM.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    final conclusion: unplugged the bitch.

    on a positive note, i vacuumed behind my fridge since it was out while i looked for my LED mini-light.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by drexplode View Post
    final conclusion: unplugged the bitch.

    on a positive note, i vacuumed behind my fridge since it was out while i looked for my LED mini-light.
    How did you unplug it? Are those pics from under the car?

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    Re: WTF is going on?

    There's actually a plug facing the front of the car right on the front of the SAI. Mine was kind of a b!tch to get off because of road grime. I eventually just took the pump and hoses out.

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    Re: WTF is going on?

    weird, i thought there was no SAI on 99's.... mine definitely does not have it
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by a4937 View Post
    How did you unplug it? Are those pics from under the car?
    yeah those pics are from underneath the car on the passenger side near the front wheel. Soon as you drop the belly pan it is sitting right there next to the oil pan. The e-connector is facing the front of the vehicle, with age and road grime I snapped the locking tab off. Afterwards, cut up 1 of my best buy rewards mini card in the shape of a rectangle and cover the end and wrapped the mofo w/ 8lbs of electrical tape. Once i find that money tree I will shake it for $230 and replace the SAI. For now, i will live without. However, i still have no idea how to remove it...i tried last night in my 25F garage and gave up when i couldnt feel my toes or fingers.

    picture of a new one at ECS tuning:

    Last edited by drexplode; 11-22-2008 at 10:19 AM.
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    Re: WTF is going on?

    The rusty nuts shwn in photo are holding it in housing that it sits in. I am rebuilding a crushed front end 2.8 and i was wondering what that was...

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