Another S/C option potentially

[Ill 3.0]

Not advocating one over another, just letting you guys know of a probable s/c option coming soon:
http://scaudi.com/sc/index.php?showt...=0&#entry29325

[richib86]

ugh here comes another flame fest lol

[Chapunki]

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[richib86]

if people are flaming an actual photographed and video documented product i can only imagine what they will do to a solid works image

[Maverick]

to say the least, let's not go there.......

OP, i will let you know how my tuning is afterwards. dont rev your car past 4K!!! i am dead serious

[Todeshandler]

vaporware!

[SuperAvant]

Wow a low boost 5-6 psi non intercooled version = FTL

[Ill 3.0]

You guys really like arguing and negativity here don't you. I didn't say anyone should buy it, just providing info.

OP, i will let you know how my tuning is afterwards. dont rev your car past 4K!!! i am dead serious

Yeah, def. let me know.

[SuperAvant]

You guys really like arguing and negativity here don't you. I didn't say anyone should buy it, just providing info.

Its how we operate - Everyone is the smartest person evar.

[DuncanC]

You guys really like arguing and negativity here don't you.

Thats not just here.. Would it be a web forum any other way?

[Ill 3.0]

Thats not just here.. Would it be a web forum any other way?

True enough. Just noticed it a bit more here than A4 forum. Anyway so people don't get too excited and bring out their best flaming quotes I posted this merely to bring about awareness about possible competitors. Competition generally favors the consumer in terms of pricing. I realize that might not be the case here so take it for what its worth.

[ZachPDX]

True enough. Just noticed it a bit more here than A4 forum. Anyway so people don't get too excited and bring out their best flaming quotes I posted this merely to bring about awareness about possible competitors. Competition generally favors the consumer in terms of pricing. I realize that might not be the case here so take it for what its worth.

I would of never known about this if you didnt post so thx
I think part of the attitude here is the "2 weeks" promises that have been made in the past. It really does look like the after market is starting to rev up for our 4.2's and even if it is "vapor" its still good to keep the momentum going. I cant wait to see the HP wars in a year or 2!

[SuperAvant]

True enough. Just noticed it a bit more here than A4 forum. Anyway so people don't get too excited and bring out their best flaming quotes I posted this merely to bring about awareness about possible competitors. Competition generally favors the consumer in terms of pricing. I realize that might not be the case here so take it for what its worth.

I emailed PES a while ago (maybe a year) about their S/C for the 4.2's. I just have a feeling they are giving the same runaround as APR and are potentially another 2 weeks advocate.

[Justincredible]

Its great to see another possible choice for us. Altho be it clearly not as close as the VF system. The non intercooled version should be cheap. I don't think I would push any boost on my car without a ic but still.

To tell you the truth tho. IMHO It seems the company is quite out of touch. They are posing on a site with not nearly the travel of the zine. I would think that if you are going to sell something you should know more about where your core demographic is at. Not to say that site is not the obvious choice because of the name. But just a thought there.

In the end it is at least good to see that someone else is attempting to bring another option to market. Even if it is two weeks out

[XwalkerX]

lol @ this post. glad i didnt mention anything about apr telling me at h2o they were in the middle of doing a forced induction kit for the 4.2l v8 s4's... :banghead:

[poopypants]

I emailed PES a while ago (maybe a year) about their S/C for the 4.2's. I just have a feeling they are giving the same runaround as APR and are potentially another 2 weeks advocate.

Same here. I learned of them through my friend who bought a supercharger for his B5 2.8L A4 avant. They have been at this for quite a while and i have emailed them at least twice over a period of a little over a year and no response. I thought they were just blowing smoke up my @ss but its good to see that they are actually coming through with this. Its good since, IMO, the pricing will be competitive since VF already has their's in trial.

[nimski62]

Engine blowing is the name of the game.. right PES? Never going to buy a product from that Tony mother ever again. (the guy who thinks its perfectly fine to run 10lbs of boost/non intercooled on a 3.0)

[Cargo8]

PES has had "4.2 Supercharger Coming Soon!" on their website for two+ years.

[Justincredible]

Engine blowing is the name of the game.. right PES? Never going to buy a product from that Tony mother ever again. (the guy who thinks its perfectly fine to run 10lbs of boost/non intercooled on a 3.0)

WOW thanks for the comment. Please if you can share more info on this. Was this a situation with just your car or did others experience this as well?

In the end what happened to the motor. Was it head gasket,rod, crank? would love to know more.

Don't mean to pry as you clearly had a bad experience with this. But I would love to know more as there is little to no info on over boosting the cars. Do you think that a inrercooled system would have stopped this from happening?

[bigredx24x]

Not advocating one over another, just letting you guys know of a probable s/c option coming soon:
http://scaudi.com/sc/index.php?showt...=0&#entry29325

Wait, there is an entire website devoted to supercharged Audi's...interesting!

[Ill 3.0]

A few 3.0 motors have blown due to the PES M62 kit. All those motors I believe were the result of a software "upgrade" which probably resulted in running lean up top. Unfortunately, of the 4 motors I know of that failed (I think all from piston damage) I don't think any had been logging or had an A/F measuring at the time. A few of us with the older versions of software have been using this system up to 9-10 psi for well over a year and no problems. After the quick bout of 3.0s blowing, I started keeping my RPMs below 6k. However I have hit 6500 several times with no issues. This kit is not intercooled FWIW.

[nimski62]

A few 3.0 motors have blown due to the PES M62 kit. All those motors I believe were the result of a software "upgrade" which probably resulted in running lean up top. Unfortunately, of the 4 motors I know of that failed (I think all from piston damage) I don't think any had been logging or had an A/F measuring at the time. A few of us with the older versions of software have been using this system up to 9-10 psi for well over a year and no problems. After the quick bout of 3.0s blowing, I started keeping my RPMs below 6k. However I have hit 6500 several times with no issues. This kit is not intercooled FWIW.

Yeah but what im saying is that if it ran lean for a bit under boost, blew up, that kit is not safe AT ALL without a bottom end build.... even in your car you probably have reduced the motors life by 80%.. pes just plain and simple shouldnt be ripping people off..

[Ill 3.0]

Yeah but what im saying is that if it ran lean for a bit under boost, blew up, that kit is not safe AT ALL without a bottom end build.... even in your car you probably have reduced the motors life by 80%.. pes just plain and simple shouldnt be ripping people off..

True. I've done logs though and never have misfires. My lambda values are about .75 at WOT so I'm good there. However I am looking into costs of building bottom end and maybe custom tune depending on how Maverik's car turns out.

[Justincredible]

GIAC tuned the PES cars correct? If so I don't know if this is good or bad news for the VF 4.2 supercharger. With the fact that most boost I have herd of on the new VF kit is 6lbs and 6lbs with a inntercooler sounds like MAYBE Vf learned a lesson form the mistakes of the past. As it stands I would be much more interested in the VF kit. But like I said it is good to know there are options

[nimski62]

GIAC tuned the PES cars correct? If so I don't know if this is good or bad news for the VF 4.2 supercharger. With the fact that most boost I have herd of on the new VF kit is 6lbs and 6lbs with a inntercooler sounds like MAYBE Vf learned a lesson form the mistakes of the past. As it stands I would be much more interested in the VF kit. But like I said it is good to know there are options

No, the GIAC tune on the PES s/c was the perfect one! Its still running on a few members cars (ill, dpatel..etc) but then PES didnt want to continue paying GIAC, so they came up with their own tune.. and thats when motors started popping. So GIAC is not at fault at all!

[Justincredible]

That's good to hear and a good lesson. Don't jump into a tune that isn't from a reputable tuner.
I knew that PES has issues with the GIAC tune on the big turbo kit for the long mount 1.8t that resulted in some blown motors. But that seemed to work it self out before I got mine. That was WAY back in the day when there was a passat world web site. A few members got there blocks vented. But from what I am reading now it seems that PES might be more to blame. It just didn't make sense that the 2 companies would keep making parts and tunes for cars that don't hold together. Seems to me one learned there lesson and one seems to not have. This may be a new day for PES. Who knows

Just sad to see that this happened.

[oc-drop]

No, the GIAC tune on the PES s/c was the perfect one! Its still running on a few members cars (ill, dpatel..etc) but then PES didnt want to continue paying GIAC, so they came up with their own tune.. and thats when motors started popping. So GIAC is not at fault at all!

this is correct

[Tugboatguy]

So they got anything other than an artist's rendering?

[lrae]

After this years Waterfest, i went up to Riverside Audi and one of the guys from PES gave me his card and said they were coming out with a supercharger for the 4.2 really soon, but I already knew about there shady superchargers from the past so I didnt bother to ask any question because I already knew the answers.

[bigredx24x]

This may be of some value: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...rger-sale.html

PES S/C for 3295.00 until Jan 1

[Ill 3.0]

That deal is for M62 kits for the 2.8 and 3.0

[V8S4Fun]

When is the release slated for the 4.2 supercharger?

[Ill 3.0]

Don't think they're given a date yet. They're recruiting beta cars now I believe. So probably after VF releases theirs.

[B18b1ex]

When is the release slated for the 4.2 supercharger?

March 2009

[bigredx24x]

That deal is for M62 kits for the 2.8 and 3.0

oops, sorry about that!

[Coolshade]

For purposes of discussion, I've had the G3 supercharger on my 2002 3.0 A4 since 2005, I undertand it was the first manual to have the G3, PES did the install, see pictures here; http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/848827.phtml

Never had any problems, Tony and company provided free software and hardware updates when available. Recently sold the car and got a moro S4.

Coolshade