Fastest bolt on S4 4.2 six spd

[beecha91]

anyone in the 12s NA ? thanks guys

Don-

[Swanky]

no, most are in the high 11's

[DuncanC]

Not sure what Swanky is smoking but as far as I can tell no amount of bolt-ons will get a B6/B7 S4 into the 12's. You need a supercharger or you need NOS to break the 13 mark. I haven't been around the forum that long and have only owned the car for a month but I'm sure the regulars will let me know if I'm wrong but I'm pretty damn sure that are cars aren't going to run in the 12s without something more dramatic than basic bolt-ons done to them. Dragtimes.com agrees with me. Best time I found on a NA S4 was 13.3 @ 106MPH and he has intake, exhaust, chip, 103 octane fuel and suspension work - that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[fitzS4]

i believe 91gl did 13.4 if i am correct

[cabracco85]

Hope to get to the track really soon if the weather allows it. I want to see what i can get out of it stock. I know my buddies car has went 13.2 and me and him ran them, And i had him by 2 cars. I dont think my car is a low 13 car stock but im gunna have to go to the track and see what i can get out of it. Hopefully this coming sunday will be nice enough to make it to the track

[Captain Insano]

Not sure what Swanky is smoking but as far as I can tell no amount of bolt-ons will get a B6/B7 S4 into the 12's. You need a supercharger or you need NOS to break the 13 mark. I haven't been around the forum that long and have only owned the car for a month but I'm sure the regulars will let me know if I'm wrong but I'm pretty damn sure that are cars aren't going to run in the 12s without something more dramatic than basic bolt-ons done to them. Dragtimes.com agrees with me. Best time I found on a NA S4 was 13.3 @ 106MPH and he has intake, exhaust, chip, 103 octane fuel and suspension work - that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Not trying to flame you or be an Ahole... I respectfully disagree that it's impossible to get a B6 S4 into the 12s with NA modifications. I don't think hardly anybody is trying really hard to be honest with you. How much NA modding do you see on this forum besides a chip and exhaust?

I think it's possible (didn't say easy) to get into the 12s with these cars with NA mods (the RIGHT NA mods) especially if you consider some mild weight reduction along with the right mods. Dropping 100-200 lbs is very, very easy (spare tire alone is dang near 50 lbs) and you aren't sacrificing any of the "luxury" these cars are offered with. I hope it's going to happen in 2009....

[DuncanC]

I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was impossible with bolt-ons alone. You want to rip the engine out, tear it down and go to town then sure it could be done, pretty easily in fact, high compression pistons, a hot cam, and a good tuner and you should be 12.9 or better no problem on 103 assuming you already have all the supporting bolt ons. But I don't understand why anybody would do that with an S4. You would be way further ahead to start with an RS4 if that was your plan. It would cost you more to replace every rotating component with something lightweight/forged than to just upgrade to an RS and IMHO you would still have a hard time squeezing an extra 1000RPM out of the motor as reliably as Audi has. My feeling is that these cars are too heavy to be a real track car anyway so the responsiveness of a NA motor isn't that important. If you want to make crazy power out of a 4.2, I'd be looking into forged rods, low compression pistons, thicker head gasket, a stud kit to hold it together... Then banging on VF's door with your check book open.

[Captain Insano]

So you think it takes a built NA motor to get 13s in these cars? Guess we just have differing opinions.

[ieatfishburitos]

I always have wondered about headers for this car... It was always an easy bolt on hp fix on my american v8 cars..

I know some have had custom headers made, but I never saw any results.

[DuncanC]

You plan to get into the 12's with no internal mods, no NOS, and no FI? You planning a significant weight drop? I just can't see how it could be done short of going no interior... You would need to get that motor to around 390 crank hp to motivate a 3900lb car to move that quick... Like I said I'm new to the 4.2 but I've done my share of modding in the past and none of the standard bolt-ons seem to offer gains on this car that are going to make a 50hp bump possible. Please enlighten me. What do you think will make a 12.9 happen in this car?

Headers typically would be good for 20+hp in a car like this so that would get you a whole lot closer but from what I've read it too tight in the engine bay to make them flow great anyway. Although I look at the stock log POS header Audi has given us and I know somebody has to be able to do better. I didn't really think about headers but I guess if some come to market I could be eating my words in '09. :-) I really wouldn't mind. Bring the headers on!

[Ill 3.0]

Here's Mike database, so far best known around here is 13.2

http://www.mjbmotorsport.com/sitebui...medatabase.htm

Headers would help, but probably would fall short. Also, not exactly an easy install so "bolt-on" is kind of a stretch. I'm sure it could be done though with quick and easy weight reduction and maybe a lightweight flywheel.

[Justincredible]

bolt-ons done to them. Dragtimes.com agrees with me. Best time I found on a NA S4 was 13.3 @ 106MPH and he has intake, exhaust, chip,

Duncan you are the man but if you look further down you will see Doc mike went 13.2 @ 103 I would completely discredit the 13.3 @ 106 due to the fact that there is no time slip or video. The Drag times guys will put up stuff from time to time to make it look like there are more time slips then there really are. I have seen this for quite some time now. I definitely suggest we support the MJB motorsport 1.4 mile time list as this requires you show proof of the time. This keeps things honest and helpful

Can we go 12's yes we can. But it is going to take proper mods or the Right mods. people have been going back and forth about what works and what doesn't. There is emerging a small group of us that are starting to show that the Right mods get the performance. This is contrary to some of the bad info passed as fact in the past

Bottom line it all starts with Dp's and goes from there. But yes I think you will see 09 gives us the first 12 sec B6 N/A

[Captain Insano]

You plan to get into the 12's with no internal mods, no NOS, and no FI? You planning a significant weight drop? I just can't see how it could be done short of going no interior... You would need to get that motor to around 390 crank hp to motivate a 3900lb car to move that quick... Like I said I'm new to the 4.2 but I've done my share of modding in the past and none of the standard bolt-ons seem to offer gains on this car that are going to make a 50hp bump possible. Please enlighten me. What do you think will make a 12.9 happen in this car?

Headers typically would be good for 20+hp in a car like this so that would get you a whole lot closer but from what I've read it too tight in the engine bay to make them flow great anyway. Although I look at the stock log POS header Audi has given us and I know somebody has to be able to do better. I didn't really think about headers but I guess if some come to market I could be eating my words in '09. :-) I really wouldn't mind. Bring the headers on!

No worries man. I'm not dogging on you at all. Nobody has posted up a 12 so I can't fault you questioning the car. I just disagree. I think it's natural for a person to come on this forum and see a bunch of B6 S4s with chips and exhausts running mid 13s and think like that.

I've driven several AWD cars that were 11 and 12 second cars. I think this car has high 12s in it with a few simple/right mods. Of course, there are some caveats with that. You aren't going to run 12s in this car very easily with some bolt ons at 5500 feet altitude... And like any car at the strip, that also requires good driving. AWD cars are an art to launch right. Nailing the launch is 80% of a good ET run at the strip....

I hope to have enough time in my super busy schedule to make several trips to the drag strip this spring/summer. Hope to prove you wrong, but if I don't it will be fun trying.

PS - I have a heavy azz avant and still think it's possible!!

[91gl]

i believe 91gl did 13.4 if i am correct

best time i did was a 13.3 with a fairly soft launch in order to preserve my clutch with just a cat back and revo flash on 93. i trapped 102 which really shows how bad the revo software falls on it's face at high rpms which is where these cars should shine. with an apr tune, full back (even better if you do not have cats), aggressive launch and alot of weight savings these cars are easily in the 12s. I never got a chance to make it back for another go.

here is a vid of the last time i was at the track. This was my best run against a stage 2+ DSG mk5 gti.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHUhlVneDLs

the key is weight. im not saying go gut out your interior but smart weight savings should do the trick. carbon fiber hood and trunk, lightweight battery, lightweight seats would make a difference. the biggest key is UNSPRUNG weight. a big brake kit will save you 10 lbs of unsprung weight on each corner, as will a coilover system and lightweight wheels. imagin spinning a wheel wheel with one hand, whats going to allow you to spin faster right away, the 20 lb wheel or the 40 lb wheel? they will both end up getting to the same speed but on the track it is how fast you get to that speed that counts. so ditch anything over 19 inches.

i would be attempting this all myself next spring and really had intent on putting this car on a strict diet but if you look at my sig i will be moving on to a different car which is still unknown at the time. I got a nice raise from work and since my car is payed off, this is the perfect time to move up to something more luxurious and use my GTI's more for driving excitement. But i do look forward to see someone one day running big numbers in these cars for they surely are capable. Jay at JHM is doing some wonderful things as is VF. So i will surely be watching. 12's are not as hard as you think.

[Justincredible]

91 let me get this straight are you selling your car? I might have read this wrong.

Id have to agree with all the info 91 put up. The cats are a great thing to be able to take in and out

[Audi05s4]

i have done a 13.3 @ 105

[Swanky]

Not sure what Swanky is smoking

you


also, when someone joins the forum for the sole purpose to ask who's in the 12's with bolt ons they deserve to get an equal yet opposite response. maybe it will encourage them to use the search function... you've only been on here for a few months so thanks for jumping on me.

the only thing bolt ons will do is guarantee you won't be in the 14's... this has been beat to death the car is a 13.2-13.5 car.

[Audi05s4]

and my time slip has been posted but i know my car is capable of at least 13 flat with a 103 octane program on the giac chip nd less gas and some weight saving that i have on order such as carbon hood and everything else

[Audi05s4]

the only thing bolt ons will do is guarantee you won't be in the 14's... this has been beat to death the car is a 13.2-13.5 car.

agreed

[ieatfishburitos]

Hey 91GL, thanks for sharing the video. I wanted to punch the announcer when he said you were driving an A4... lol

[Justincredible]

and my time slip has been posted but i know my car is capable of at least 13 flat with a 103 octane program on the giac chip nd less gas and some weight saving that i have on order such as carbon hood and everything else

This is good to see. The thought was always that the GIAC would shine with the race gas setting over the standard pump. Get that slip up it will help legitimize this and keep things going. great work it seems that a formula is emerging for 12's

Also lets help build on the formula
Did you have cats? What Dp's did you have Also the X pipe I feel is very important. Can you give some more info on the cat back size dia of the system

Getting a list of what trim the car was in will definitely help us keep pointing out the proper mods for performance

[Charlescrs6]

and my time slip has been posted but i know my car is capable of at least 13 flat with a 103 octane program on the giac chip nd less gas and some weight saving that i have on order such as carbon hood and everything else

103 on a N/A motor? That couldn't help much. The key to this is WEIGHT, remove the back seats, spare tire, save maybe a 100 lbs then inflate tires to 50 PSI and that SHOULD shave .1 or .2 seconds off of your 1/4 time.

[Justincredible]

103 on a N/A motor? That couldn't help much. The key to this is WEIGHT, remove the back seats, spare tire, save maybe a 100 lbs then inflate tires to 50 PSI and that SHOULD shave .1 or .2 seconds off of your 1/4 time.

The 103 would help on the GIAC race file. The GIAC pump file had ALMOST the same timing as stock. So even tho there is no real need for the 103oct for a N/A cars the actual GIAC race file probably asks that they use 103 to be safe. I am definitely with you there is no need to over oct the cars. The tire pressure idea is definitely spot on.

Also I do think the Weight is a huge issue. But for ME I think removing or running the car down the track in a fashion that is not every day trim is just a huge NO NO. That is not a real representation of what your car will do. That is almost like fraud. It is one thing to add some tire pressure or use your summer rims but once you take out the seats...no...spare tire and light weight batt rims that is more legitimate..IF YOU ASK ME when you start taking out weight in a fashion like removing seats and interior parts changing your doors (light weight hoods tend to look better then stock so I would so ok to that) removing every day used parts just shows your ignorance against how to build a car properly. I have seen some Honda and unforchinetly a few B5 guys do this. It is really as shame the owners are clue less and the cars look like Honda's. Really a shame when people have to resort to that.

I mean look at it like this. You are talking to someone and they ask. How fast dose your car go? you would have to answer. Well it goes 13.3 as it sits. But if I remove 1/2 the interior and remove so much stuff that it doesn't reflect what you see here today. It will go 12.XXX. TO ME that is just not impressive

[Charlescrs6]

The 103 would help on the GIAC race file. The GIAC pump file had ALMOST the same timing as stock. So even tho there is no real need for the 103oct for a N/A cars the actual GIAC race file probably asks that they use 103 to be safe. I am definitely with you there is no need to over oct the cars. The tire pressure idea is definitely spot on.

Also I do thing the Weight is a huge issue. But for ME I think removing or running the car down the track in a fashion that is not every day trim is just a huge NO NO. That is not a real representation of what your car will do. That is almost like fraud. It is one thing to add some tire pressure or use your summer rims but once you take out the seats...no...spare tire and light weight batt rims that is more legitimate..IF YOU ASK ME

spot on. I think to be able to say that your car is running 12's or w.e you have to have the car in the same condition that it ran 12's in. The spare tire and tires are definitely the way to do it, and besides, who wants to strip a nice B6 or b7?

[Justincredible]

I think to be able to say that your car is running 12's or w.e you have to have the car in the same condition that it ran 12's in. The spare tire and tires are definitely the way to do it, and besides, who wants to strip a nice B6 or b7?

Ok now that is just upsetting you managed to say the same thing only better with a lot less words.

I definitely agree. I don't have my spare tire in the car or the jack that goes with it. I do have the emergency kit. But If some one got a light weight batt and then got a carbon fiber hood. Then that is still the clear representation of what the car is every day. Plus I don't see how it would help the community as a Whole. If you had some one that did go 12's with a car that is not comparable to the rest of the cars in the category. I want to know the parts that make power. I own a B6 because I want luxury and performance. If I wanted a car that didn't have a back seat I would have gotten a corvette

[Captain Insano]

LOL... I kid you not, I've seen honda guys on the street with a completely gutted interior with only the driver seat, seat belt, and the control functions (shifter, steering wheel, etc...). When you get to that point is it really a useable street car anymore?? I don't think so, but it's all a matter of opinion.

For my car I would never do that. Why do you own an Audi if you are just gonna strip it all down?? So overall I agree with the others. Do reasonable weight mods that don't take anything away from the car as far as luxury goes (spare tire & tool removal, lighter 18" wheels/tires, battery, full exhaust, coilovers, rotors, less than 1/2 tank gas etc...). Like I said earlier, even with reasonable weight mods I think you can lose 200 on this car no sweat. That's 2 tenths right there easy. I weigh 170 so at that point it's like I'm not even in the car anymore..... :-)

[Quattroownsyou]

B6/B7 S4 would've been one of the very best cars in the world if it only was 400-500lbs lighter....having said that, with just bolt-ons 13's are realistic, 12's aren't, unless you're very skilled at launching on the 1/4 mile track.

[Audi05s4]

im running stock cats with a straight pipe 2.5 inch system that i had custom made with a a xpipe and using magna flow race series mufflers have a cold air intake and minor suspension sways and springs goin to switch to coilovers soon and when i made that run that was 13.3 it was just on regular giac programing

[ieatfishburitos]

im running stock cats with a straight pipe 2.5 inch system that i had custom made with a a xpipe and using magna flow race series mufflers have a cold air intake and minor suspension sways and springs goin to switch to coilovers soon and when i made that run that was 13.3 it was just on regular giac programing

Remove your "cold air intake" and replace with stock intake, word on the street is you'll go faster..

[Justincredible]

im running stock cats with a straight pipe 2.5 inch system that i had custom made with a a xpipe and using magna flow race series mufflers have a cold air intake and minor suspension sways and springs goin to switch to coilovers soon and when i made that run that was 13.3 it was just on regular giac programing

Good info. This clearly shows that all the 2.5 guys can do just fine. Please try to get that slip up if you can. Like I said this really helps legitimize all the findings we get. It isn't that we don't trust any of the peoples words but with a standard of proof this will assure all the info coming in is not just word of mouth. I do remember that you posted this a while ago and that you also went 13.8 completely stock correct?

And sorry not trying to be a pain

i have done a 13.3 @ 105

And sorry not trying to be a Dick
But your run was 104 not 105. There is a big difference between the 2. Either way still clearly impressive.
If you can get a better pic over the Mike with the data base. I would suggest getting a pic of the whole time slip with date on it for future reference. Also get that stock on up there as well

[91gl]

91 let me get this straight are you selling your car? I might have read this wrong.

Id have to agree with all the info 91 put up. The cats are a great thing to be able to take in and out

Nope its true man, I will be putting it back to stock and trading it in. I will still be sticking with the 4.2 platform, maybe 5.2, I just dont know what it is going to be for sure yet.

I'll still be around and whatever it is going to be will be modded and driven just like my b6. so stay tuned

[Justincredible]

come on not now. We are just getting started.

Definitely keep us posted. Money is super tight right now but I would be interested in your RSN-E unit I could send you my stock if you needed it depending on how long before you trade in.

[91gl]

bro come on not now. We are just getting started.

Defintily keep us posted. Money is super tight right now but I would be interested in your RSN-E unit I could send you my stock if you needed it depending on how long before you trade in.

I know, i know, there were some big plans coming but i just have an itch that needs to be scratched ill be back again someday with another b6, oyu can trust me on that. and i'll definetely keep in touch because I will always have that need for speed. Ill be pushing the limits no matter what car i get.

i still have my stock one so im good there. if no one picks it up ill let you know.

[b00st]

The 103 would help on the GIAC race file. The GIAC pump file had ALMOST the same timing as stock. So even tho there is no real need for the 103oct for a N/A cars the actual GIAC race file probably asks that they use 103 to be safe. I am definitely with you there is no need to over oct the cars. The tire pressure idea is definitely spot on.

Also I do think the Weight is a huge issue. But for ME I think removing or running the car down the track in a fashion that is not every day trim is just a huge NO NO. That is not a real representation of what your car will do. That is almost like fraud. It is one thing to add some tire pressure or use your summer rims but once you take out the seats...no...spare tire and light weight batt rims that is more legitimate..IF YOU ASK ME when you start taking out weight in a fashion like removing seats and interior parts changing your doors (light weight hoods tend to look better then stock so I would so ok to that) removing every day used parts just shows your ignorance against how to build a car properly. I have seen some Honda and unforchinetly a few B5 guys do this. It is really as shame the owners are clue less and the cars look like Honda's. Really a shame when people have to resort to that.

I mean look at it like this. You are talking to someone and they ask. How fast dose your car go? you would have to answer. Well it goes 13.3 as it sits. But if I remove 1/2 the interior and remove so much stuff that it doesn't reflect what you see here today. It will go 12.XXX. TO ME that is just not impressive

i'll agree with that. but i also don't think running race gas is a real representation of what the car will normally do.

and having people post dyno slips and time slips of dynos and 1/4 mile times on race gas. it should be done on pump gas.....i hate seeing time slips and dynos on race gas....it just inflated ego numbers.

as far as lightweight rims/tires, brakes/rotors, suspension....this is good on paper and excellent theory....you won't see what you think out of it. justin you should talk to AL @ CPT (chicago performance tuning) in melrose park. he is an audi god among other things. i only trust him with my car. i have kicked this idea over, priced it out, including CF hood and trunk. he has alot of customers who have done the above and let him know the results. i'll give him a call if the mod bug bites and see what he thinks about my ideas. he owns one bad ass SIII S4. and if i recall his brother bought a b6 s4.

i know 91 ran a 13.3 and mike a 13.2 but noone in IL has yet that i know of....we all know thats a stretch.

my thing is...if you go to the track...you go there to break you car.

[Justincredible]

i'll agree with that. but i also don't think running race gas is a real representation of what the car will normally do.

and having people post dyno slips and time slips of dynos and 1/4 mile times on race gas. it should be done on pump gas.....i hate seeing time slips and dynos on race gas....it just inflated ego numbers.

i know 91 ran a 13.3 and mike a 13.2 but noone in IL has yet that i know of....we all know thats a stretch.

my thing is...if you go to the track...you go there to break you car.

I don't know where to start. YES YES YES. I am so happy to see more and more people saying this. I really didn't want to undermine the guy running the 103 oct. Everyone has there own way about things. Great for the performance. BUT FOR ME I don't take the info in as helpful to getting the formula down for the needed parts for performance. I do think that with the parts he had the 103 must have done something. How much if anything who knows. Cause his car is way faster then other cars with the same mods. Maybe the guy is a hell of a driver

But F ya I took my car to the track and ran it 99% the same way I do on the street. Full tank of gas ( or as much as was in there after filling up and driving to the track) I say 99% because I have winter rims and tires on the car now and will do so for the next month or so till the car goes up for the winter.

If you think a 13.3 is a stretch for a 6 speed car in IL what do you think my car ran as a TIP in Mi.? I know im not giving up much info but just assume I have all the standard parts (obviously no supercharger or NOS)

Also would love to know more about the CF hood and trunk.

[D.K]

Hot Damn! Someone finally brought this topic up!
I think with a good selection of exhaust modifications, an actual tune (as opposed to the normal "canned" tune options), and some slight weight reduction, a high 12 can be attainable with a decent driver.

[91gl]

B6/B7 S4 would've been one of the very best cars in the world if it only was 400-500lbs lighter.

I say that all the time. 400-500 lbs lighter with a 40:60 torque split and we would all be much happier

[mike-2ptzero]

There is racing this weekend at Fontana if anyone is up for running their 4.2 at the track.

[SuperAvant]

I wonder where we can lose 400-500 lbs...

[91gl]

I wonder where we can lose 400-500 lbs...