Shifting problem

[Sp@cE418]

Hi !

I just recently change my differential and transmission oil.
The next morning, i started the car and put the gear in reverse. No problem.
After that , I put it in first and decides to put it in second ... No way ! Impossible to put in second. I stopped the car. Try all the gear and it's fine. Hummm...
After that, i noticed that i can only go in second when i'm under like 15km/h ...Sound strange ...
When the car warms up, the problem seems to be less present ...

Any idea ? Wrong oil ? Bad syncro ?

Thanks !

[S4 John]

i know the transmission is very tempermental if you did not put in correct amount of transmission fluid. Also, are you sure you put the fluid in the correct fill hole?

[quattro16]

Did you put the correct fluid in. Also 1st,2nd gears go on these trans all the time. There is a new updated gears, synchros, and shift collers.

[Sp@cE418]

i know the transmission is very tempermental if you did not put in correct amount of transmission fluid. Also, are you sure you put the fluid in the correct fill hole?

So you believe it's more a fluid problem than a syncro or gear problem ?

Syncro is a PITA to change for the cost of the part ...

[Sp@cE418]

i know the transmission is very tempermental if you did not put in correct amount of transmission fluid. Also, are you sure you put the fluid in the correct fill hole?

We change the oil yesterday for a high temperature one.
Today, Same thing ...Not able to put it in second until I warm the car for about 5 minutes ...
I would understand if the outside weather was like -40 celcius but it was like -10 celcius

What the hell ?!

[S4 John]

idk, i thought it was the fluid level because you just changed it. but, if you are having a hard time getting into 2nd it is probably the 2nd gear slider.

[Matt@JHM]

Do you have reverse?

[Sp@cE418]

Do you have reverse?

Yes !

Facts :
On cold startup, when i'm stop, i can go in each gear easily.
So i put it in reverse, get out of my entry, put in it first and go.
If I try to put it in second, there is no way to do it ! So i go in rev a little bit and put it directly in third or stop and put it in second directly.
When my car warms up, the problem tend to disappear or at least it's better.
I mean, the more the car warms up, the more I can put it in second for downshifting or upshifting...
Let's explain a little bit.
If my car is "cold", and i'm in third gear, i'm not able to put it in second until i'm at like 5km/h.
If my car is "hot", and i'm in third gear, i'm able to put it in second at like 30km/h.

Any ideas ?

[Sp@cE418]

idk, i thought it was the fluid level because you just changed it. but, if you are having a hard time getting into 2nd it is probably the 2nd gear slider.

I don't think it's a matter of fluid level.
Gear slider is the same as syncro ?
Is it like 20 hours to change it ?

[b5s4tt]

my car does the same thing when its cold. it will not let me into third unless it is rev-matched perfect, and even then sometimes it will lock me out or kick me back out. when it warms up the problem becomes less aparent, but will still grind if you shift fast

[Sp@cE418]

my car does the same thing when its cold. it will not let me into third unless it is rev-matched perfect, and even then sometimes it will lock me out or kick me back out. when it warms up the problem becomes less aparent, but will still grind if you shift fast

Have you figured out what is the problem ?

[Evilevo]

Have you figured out what is the problem ?

prolly bad syncros

[Sp@cE418]

prolly bad syncros

It was what I was thinking ...
But why there is no problem when it warms up ?
It's like a 20 hours job right for the syncro ?

BTW, it's not grinding at all ...it goes into second or not ...

[S4 John]

my car does the same thing when its cold. it will not let me into third unless it is rev-matched perfect, and even then sometimes it will lock me out or kick me back out. when it warms up the problem becomes less aparent, but will still grind if you shift fast

you have bad syncros.

[S4 John]

It was what I was thinking ...
But why there is no problem when it warms up ?
It's like a 20 hours job right for the syncro ?

BTW, it's not grinding at all ...it goes into second or not ...

i really think it is your slider (also known as a shift collar). you should have your syncros swapped out while you are at it. i had my transmission rebuilt with new syncros, slider, and 2nd gear for 2200. this is without labor of removing and installing the transmission.

[Sp@cE418]

i really think it is your slider (also known as a shift collar). you should have your syncros swapped out while you are at it. i had my transmission rebuilt with new syncros, slider, and 2nd gear for 2200. this is without labor of removing and installing the transmission.

2200 without the labor ? sh%$

[haus4]

sounds more like a syncro is you cant get into gear unless you rev match it. Worm syncro plus cold fluid = bad time shifting. Baby it and start saving.

[Sp@cE418]

sounds more like a syncro is you cant get into gear unless you rev match it. Worm syncro plus cold fluid = bad time shifting. Baby it and start saving.

For your information, they put a fluid transmission but not the better one.
They replaced the standard oil with the "race" one (75W/90)

so, before changing your slider or syncro, maybe you should try to change your oil ...
Here's the explaination on the ECS tuning Web Site ...

This 70W80 GL-4 Gear Oil (SAE 5W30/10W30 engine oil viscosity) is designed for use in manual transmissions and transaxles. Provides excellent protection of gears and synchronizers and its balanced slipperiness provides a perfect coefficient of friction allowing easier shifting.

Red Line Oil's MTL and MT-90 are designed to provide excellent protection and improved shiftability for manual transmissions and transaxles having cured the problem of hard shifting in thousands of transmissions with shifting troubles. How? They have the appropriate coefficient of friction for most manual transmission synchronizers (many gear oils engine oils and ATFs are too slippery for proper synchro engagement). And the wide viscosity of MTL and MT-90 allow proper shifting over the entire temperature range which the transmission will experience. The synthetic base oils used have a very high viscosity index which provides relatively constant viscosity as temperature changes. MTL is a low 70W at very low temperatures and a high 80W nearly an 85W at elevated temperatures providing adequate viscosity to prevent wear and deaden gear noise. MT-90 is a thicker 75W90 version of MTL. The shear stability and oxidation stability of these products are excellent thus the physical characteristics of Red Line MTL and MT-90 will change little with use.

Manual Transmission Service Kit
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Looking to service your manual transmission? Does your transmission shift hard when it's cold or intermitantly grind when going into 2nd? It's quite possible that all you need is to change your fluid in your manual transmission case.

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[Matt@JHM]

2200 without the labor ? sh%$

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