Just for comparison

[7speed]

[A4natomical]

what did u get!!! youre selling you elim!?

[7speed]

yep, been for sale for about 3 weeks. It's a soon to be polished GT3071R

[absolutegtr]

Should have got a 3076

Planning on building your bottom end?

[7speed]

this will suffice for now

[A4ringedONE8T]

FYI, if your going to run a TIP, I would HIGHLY suggest finding/getting an anti-surge compressor housing. When I ordered my 3071 from ATP they said for some reason the combination of that turbo was very surge prone and was accentuated even more running it on a small motor like ours

[A4ringedONE8T]

this will suffice for now

It will, you will soon want more though, especially if on a stock bottom end

[dougyfresh]

Should have got a 3076

Planning on building your bottom end?

x2

and

will be whether he knows it or not...

[7speed]

FYI, if your going to run a TIP, I would HIGHLY suggest finding/getting an anti-surge compressor housing. When I ordered my 3071 from ATP they said for some reason the combination of that turbo was very surge prone and was accentuated even more running it on a small motor like ours

as funds permit I will look into that, thanks for the info

[A4ringedONE8T]

x2

and

will be whether he knows it or not...

haha running a 30 series setup on the stock bottom is like having a knife in your chest, an 1/8" from your heart, just waiting for someone to bump into it!

And as Ive told quite a few people including Sam, the differences between a 3071 and 3076 on 20psi + is HUGE! The 76 has way way way more upper end, has a much larger tq hit, and feels like its half again bigger than what the 3071 did. Spool is absolutely IDENTICAL for both, plus the 3076 comes with an antisurge housing automatically, not even an option otherwise with the 4" inlet

[dougyfresh]

haha running a 30 series setup on the stock bottom is like having a knife in your chest, an 1/8" from your heart, just waiting for someone to bump into it!

Or bringing a knife to a gunfight. Those OEM rods in the AMB motor are WEAK

And as Ive told quite a few people including Sam, the differences between a 3071 and 3076 on 20psi + is HUGE! The 76 has way way way more upper end, has a much larger tq hit, and feels like its half again bigger than what the 3071 did. Spool is absolutely IDENTICAL for both, plus the 3076 comes with an antisurge housing automatically, not even an option otherwise with the 4" inlet

All the more reason why I have become convinced its not worth it to use a 3071 if you're building a motor to handle those levels of power.

[IronAudi]

ihope thats teh Ko3, if thats teh elim turbo then, WHHHOAAA pants got a tingle.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Or bringing a knife to a gunfight. Those OEM rods in the AMB motor are WEAK

All the more reason why I have become convinced its not worth it to use a 3071 if you're building a motor to handle those levels of power.

Not that these turbo's can't be run perfectly fine and safely on the stock motor, but of course all the fun is at 20psi +

And Sam, keep this picture in the back of your mind as you start to push the boost

[A4ringedONE8T]

ihope thats teh Ko3, if thats teh elim turbo then, WHHHOAAA pants got a tingle.

For sure a K03, heres a GTRS and 3071R comparison



And a K03 and GTRS comparison

[7speed]

Not that these turbo's can't be run perfectly fine and safely on the stock motor, but of course all the fun is at 20psi +

And Sam, keep this picture in the back of your mind as you start to push the boost

currently saving , I can only afford so much at once

[A4ringedONE8T]

currently saving , I can only afford so much at once

If your going the drop in route, the sad part is the OEM parts just to rebuild the motor are MORE than the rods themselves

[7speed]

the next 3 things that I will be purchasing are a clutch, rods and an AEB Head (Probably in that order)

[AudiA4_20T]

the next 3 things that I will be purchasing are a clutch, rods and an AEB Head (Probably in that order)

Put aside about $1000 for just the rods if your doing them yourself, $1500 if you are not

[Don Supreme]

That turbo won't surge @ the boost levels he has to run on the stock motor...

I.e. 18 psi or less.

[romell]

why put away 1000 for rods?!?!? arent they only like 3-500 bucks?

[actlsub9]

why put away 1000 for rods?!?!? arent they only like 3-500 bucks?

...

the sad part is the OEM parts just to rebuild the motor are MORE than the rods themselves

[romell]

^^thanks.. lol.. so baically just to do rods you have to get all the oem stuff that is like another 500 worth plus labor so you are at 1500 for rods.. that sucks.

[absolutegtr]

romell...you have to replace the rod bearings and all the gaskets that get removed when taking the head and block apart....all that stuff adds up to $$$

[romell]

eh.. i hate look at big numbers.. discourages me from doing shit to the car.

[HTA A4]

I'm seriously thinking about going 3076 next summer.. And doing the same thing you're doing right now.. Stock bottom end til I can build the motor.

[HTA A4]

What manifold, injectors, tuning are you going to run for now?

[AudiA4_20T]

I'm seriously thinking about going 3076 next summer.. And doing the same thing you're doing right now.. Stock bottom end til I can build the motor.

Honestly, if I were to do it over again, Id buy a spare motor, build that, and for the turbo setup, I'd install it and have it running on my stock block at low boost first, so I know everything would work. I'm scared that there are too many variables in my car starting right now

[20A4Audi1.8t01]

Sam you suck! but im happy for you! lol

I believe Im going to upgrade my Tip tranny for xmas!

And the Big Turbo bug has bitten me, and hard I am now putting away for BT!

[A4ringedONE8T]

Here's the list for drop in rod install

IE 144x19 Rods $399.00
Head Bolts $44.00
Head Gasket $60.07
Oil Pan Sealant $18.98
Rod Bearings: Upper $12.98 x 4 Lower $12.98 x 4
Piston Rings ($340.28 is Audi retail PER PISTON lol) They can be had for about $50 bucks per piston if you get them from the right person $50 x 4 = $200
Valve Cover Gasket $37.78
Intake Mani Gasket $14.22

Total $877.89

I would also HIGHLY recommend changing the oil pump ($194.87) while it is apart. I know they do not commonly go bad, but mine did, I know what it cost me in the long run, and now I will not do a 1.8T motor through the shop without replacing it. Just under $200 now or $1k + in parts alone in the future if it does decide to shit out, your choice

Typical shop labor (not the dealer) is going to be around 10-12 hours for such an install, going with a cheap labor rate, $75/hr which pretty much no shops are, you're looking at at least $750 for install, most likely closer to, if not $1k

This is the bare essentials only and also dont forget the little things like oil and coolant

[dougyfresh]

What manifold, injectors, tuning are you going to run for now?

By the time you are ready there should be tuning available for the configuration you are thinking of..





Shawn,
Nice itemization. What clued you in that your oil pump went? I don't remember reading about that.

[A4ringedONE8T]

By the time you are ready there should be tuning available for the configuration you are thinking of..

Shawn,
Nice itemization. What clued you in that your oil pump went? I don't remember reading about that.

Combination of a few things, and Im not sure on how my oil pump was tested, I had a tech I know at the Audi dealer send it out for me to be checked. It showed flucuations outside of normal spec in its output pressure which could have caused the problem. I also sent the old set of IE rods, the bearings, as well as the crank to Pete @ IE which he had analyzed, the other 3 bearings still had the correct clearances, nothing worn incorrectly, everything was still in balance, and showed no mechanical issues which would have lead to the spun rod bearing. I am not 100% sure that the oil pump was definitely the cause but from the analysis of the remains, it has the most fingers pointed at it

[dougyfresh]

Combination of a few things, and Im not sure on how my oil pump was tested, I had a tech I know at the Audi dealer send it out for me to be checked. It showed flucuations outside of normal spec in its output pressure which could have caused the problem. I also sent the old set of IE rods, the bearings, as well as the crank to Pete @ IE which he had analyzed, the other 3 bearings still had the correct clearances, nothing worn incorrectly, everything was still in balance, and showed no mechanical issues which would have lead to the spun rod bearing. I am not 100% sure that the oil pump was definitely the cause but from the analysis of the remains, it has the most fingers pointed at it

Fair enough. I was curious if you had hard and fast root cause on the pump failure but that evidence does support a possible failure or 'going out'. Given the spun rod bearing it made sense to put a new oil pump in there for 'insurance'.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Also a coincidence that cyl 3 runs the hottest/leanest which for sure would be the first to go and burn up if oil pressure went out?? Just another thing that makes me think it was the pump. Ill never know for sure so its just a gut feeling that will make me be more cautious on anything in the future with my (or the shops) name on it!

[F16HTON]

That turbo won't surge @ the boost levels he has to run on the stock motor...

I.e. 18 psi or less.

You are out of your element Donny...

2.0 bar of boost on CA 91 octane (of course it is just a GT28RS)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gIGFY7KgO0

[Silence]

You are out of your element Donny...

LOL. What's up with that saying Greg? Seen it a few times now.

[F16HTON]

Don S (Sean) seems to thing you can only run 18psi on a stock block.

[Silence]

I'm saying with the quote itself. I've seen you say it a few times.

[F16HTON]

The quote is from The Big Lebowski...

Sean (Don Supreme) likes to troll the B6 forum. His negativity belongs in the
B5 forum.

[Silence]

Ok, I thought so. Wanted to make sure I wasn't outta the loop, haha.

[7speed]

What manifold, injectors, tuning are you going to run for now?

SPA Manifold top mount, 550cc, REVO (for now)

Sam you suck! but im happy for you! lol

I believe Im going to upgrade my Tip tranny for xmas!

And the Big Turbo bug has bitten me, and hard I am now putting away for BT!

Crazy Huh Tyler, this will be my 3rd setup in 8 months. Hopefully this will keep me happy for a while (yeah right) !

Uhh why is everyone ignoring the fact that I have a GT71R Elim setup for sale. It's a steal someone should capitalize !