Updated w/issue Pics: Pics with 275/30/19's.. Need advice on rubbing?

[Kemiksiz]

I have a camber issue, I'm using as -2,55 but it will fck my rear tyres.. Any idea how to stretch the rear fenders?



















I believe there is not any camber problem or big tyres problem, as you can see there are a lot of room for the tyres.. And please see the rear part of the rear fender, you will see the rubbed area..

So its just a Toe matter?


P.S the bent is not because of the rub, it was a hit.

[blackbox619]

people normally take an aluminum bat and wedge it in between the tire and the fender. they gradually roll the bat on the entire top of the tire therefore making the fender flare to prevent tire rubbing. ps... your ride looks great!

[04_A4_1.8T]

people normally take an aluminum bat and wedge it in between the tire and the fender. they gradually roll the bat on the entire top of the tire therefore making the fender flare to prevent tire rubbing. ps... your ride looks great!

you gotta be kidding me... that seems like the weirdest way of doing that... also doesnt seem smart... when i think bat and car it doesnt end pretty

[A4donkey]

car looks funny like big foot.
Totally lost the art of AUDI.

[MacDaddy]

whats the big "medu" sticker on the side for?

[Kemiksiz]

people normally take an aluminum bat and wedge it in between the tire and the fender. they gradually roll the bat on the entire top of the tire therefore making the fender flare to prevent tire rubbing. ps... your ride looks great!

The "bat" trick will work for the fronts of B6's and it works also for B5's rears.. But as B6's we do not have the part to squeeze, so it would not work as I know.. Thanks bud

The big foot thing is kinda right BUT it seems a little wrong coz of the huge negative camber.. If I can find a way to prevent it rubbing, I'll fix it to max -2.0 so it will step the ground properly..

MEDU is my study abroad company, one of the poineering in Turkey.. I'd be glad if you give a clicky in order to se the webpage

www.medu.com.tr

[04_A4_1.8T]

study abroad for what kinda stuff? anything? or specific degrees and such? asking cause i am in college...

[Kemiksiz]

study abroad for what kinda stuff? anything? or specific degrees and such? asking cause i am in college...

I'm from Turkey and live in Turkey..

So I send the students from Turkey to USA, Australia, Europe, Canada and so on.. So it doesnt work for you

Usually students go for language study or undergraduate/graduate degress., sometimes for certificate/diploma courses, for summer Work and travel program ..

[Capt. Obvious]

You could have prevented all this by just getting the 255's (or 265's) like everyone suggested you do.

[lookaught]

Yes the "bat" trick is just to roll the inner lip of the fender. The B6 is already rolled from the factory, the rear is pretty much perfectly rolled and the front is at about 45 degrees, so there is no need to roll them over any more.

There is no easy way to "stretch" the fenders. The only way is to reform the metal and repaint, which is expensive and needs to be performed by a pro body shop that is experienced in shaping metal, as opposed to just replacing panels.

Why do you need 275 tires? That is only making the car slower, you can't be putting down enough power to need tires that wide. Ditch the unsprung weight and get something more reasonable.

[Boosted3.0]

I didn't see how bad they -2.55 was untill I saw that picture from the back of your car. Take it to a body shop and spend thousands on having your fenders stretched out. Do a widebody kit which will cost just as much maybe more. Or get narrower tires.

[MikTip]

You could have prevented all this by just getting the 255's (or 265's) like everyone suggested you do.

*Ding!*

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245136

[romell]

medu is a bank

[AudiA4Style]

You could have prevented all this by just getting the 255's (or 265's) like everyone suggested you do.

2nd.

Yea, I did it!

Setup:

255-30-10 w/et 35, w/8.5 rims Front
275-30-19 w/et 40, w/9.5 Rear

Absolutely no rub in fronts, and yes rubbing in the rears a little, not too bad

Its the first time I did not keep the suggestions of AZ fellows since 2005 and I think I'm happy!

Let check your previous opinions about my Avaruses

Should've listened to us. I'm pretty sure there's nothing to roll on the rear fender. Your only option would be to cut it or change your tire set up, which would be the smartest choice.

[LampyB]

who's car is that? unless you bought a new one or have a second audi i don't recall ever seeing this ride...

[Kemiksiz]

Okay, first let me clear this; I have no rub when I'm alone or my gf is with me.. But 3 person = rubs and it disturbs, with 4 person it rubs like a hell .. I'm talking about w/ -2.0 camber.. Now with -2.5 camber, it did not rub a lot when we are 3 persons in the car but when we are 4 it rubs a lot.. And I'm not on a sport suspension and shocks..

And stretched tyres are way out of my list, I really hate this looking, no offense anyone So 255 is not an opption, I tried, I tried 265 they all stretched, so I got 275's.. I do not have any business about the acceleration or speed, I pretty happy in a slow car do not care

Do you think a very stiffer suspension setup would solve it? It seems its my only option right now except a body work

[Kemiksiz]

who's car is that? unless you bought a new one or have a second audi i don't recall ever seeing this ride...

What you mean? really could not understand it

[Capt. Obvious]

If you hate the stretch look so much, why did you buy wide wheels? You should have gotten 8.5's or 9's for the rear so that you could put balloon tires on them.

And Lampy, he got the painted (or vinyl wrapped?) white. It used to be blue.

[Kemiksiz]

I was telling " no offense " for you capt.

it was the only possible option, so hit or pass deal for very very cheap and I love the wide tyres..

You have some very wider tyres as I see for years, what do u think about the stiffer suspension option that I mentioned? How dont you rub, I just checked your SALE page, it seems you should rub more than me

BTW its wrapped by vinly ..

[Capt. Obvious]

I was telling " no offense " for you capt.

it was the only possible option, so hit or pass deal for very very cheap and I love the wide tyres..

You have some very wider tyres as I see for years, what do u think about the stiffer suspension option that I mentioned? How dont you rub, I just checked your SALE page, it seems you should rub more than me

BTW its wrapped by vinly ..

No worries, I'm not offended at all, you hate stretched tires and I hate balloon tires.

The stiffer suspension will help a little bit, but the truth of the matter is that your car is going to ride like crap if you stiffen it up enough to keep the rears from rubbing. Your only options are:
1) Skinnier tires
2) More camber (I have modified rear hubs to give me 3.5 degrees of negative camber in the rear)
3) Pull the fenders slightly (you will need an actual fender roller for this-not a baseball bat-and you will most likely crack and ruin the paint on the rear fenders while doing so).

[Kemiksiz]

No worries, I'm not offended at all, you hate stretched tires and I hate balloon tires.

The stiffer suspension will help a little bit, but the truth of the matter is that your car is going to ride like crap if you stiffen it up enough to keep the rears from rubbing. Your only options are:
1) Skinnier tires
2) More camber (I have modified rear hubs to give me 3.5 degrees of negative camber in the rear)
3) Pull the fenders slightly (you will need an actual fender roller for this-not a baseball bat-and you will most likely crack and ruin the paint on the rear fenders while doing so).

So you mean like this about the fender rolling? http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243966

This boy had done this, people do not agree with the final outcome butI kinda like it

-3.5 hell no! So how long does your tyres would remain healthy? 1 year? if you say 1 year, I'l feel safe at least for 1.5 - 2 years with my rears

[Capt. Obvious]

So you mean like this about the fender rolling? http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243966

This boy had done this, people do not agree with the final outcome butI kinda like it

-3.5 hell no! So how long does your tyres would remain healthy? 1 year? if you say 1 year, I'l feel safe at least for 1.5 - 2 years with my rears

Yes, I mean like that, except without making your car looks like shit.

As for tire life, I couldn't really tell you for sure since I'm a wheel whore and never keep wheels for more than 6 months. LOL

[Kemiksiz]

Yes, I mean like that, except without making your car looks like shit.

As for tire life, I couldn't really tell you for sure since I'm a wheel whore and never keep wheels for more than 6 months. LOL

Yea, he made is car like shit, its a fact but without going so far, the action could be applied to mine, I need just 1 cm or less.. I'll check some shops.. Actually I'm a kinda whore about the rims, since I have changed 4 setups in 3 years but it seems at least they are fine for 6 onths and it gives me 1 year at least with the -2.0 camber

Darrick you or anyone has an idea if it would be applicable for our B6s? telling it again, he went so far about rolling but for 1 cm or less maybe it works?

[Capt. Obvious]

From the looks of those pics, I doubt you'll even need to go 1cm. If you do it, start with just a few mm's, test fit the wheels and then continue from there.

Also, are you rubbing on the fender or the fender liner?

[Kemiksiz]

From the looks of those pics, I doubt you'll even need to go 1cm. If you do it, start with just a few mm's, test fit the wheels and then continue from there.

Also, are you rubbing on the fender or the fender liner?

FEnder liners are fuckd up allready I believe I have rubbed the fender itself because it got hot after I stopped. We were 4 people in the car, when we are 4 it rubs to the fenders..

1 cm will be enough for sure.. Cant it be done by the bat trick ?

[Capt. Obvious]

1 cm will be enough for sure.. Cant it be done by the bat trick ?

I wouldn't recommend it. You want an actual fender roller because it puts even and constant pressure on the fender. Also, use a heat gun to heat the paint as you roll them to soften the paint and prevent it from cracking.

[Kemiksiz]

I wouldn't recommend it. You want an actual fender roller because it puts even and constant pressure on the fender. Also, use a heat gun to heat the paint as you roll them to soften the paint and prevent it from cracking.

Thnks for your time and interest dude, appriciate

I'll fix tha sh$t somwhow and let all of you know how I did.. It seems it will be with a coilover maybe or as we talked a little rolled rear fender of a B6, maybe gonna be unique I'll be a nice example for the dudes/dudettes who would like to have that kinda setup ..

BTW I'm very very happy with the 255 fronts, it made the ride softer somehow and gave me some extra grip for sure..

[vdubstreets]

3) Pull the fenders slightly (you will need an actual fender roller for this-not a baseball bat-and you will most likely crack and ruin the paint on the rear fenders while doing so).

I would not attempt to pull the fender with a bat OR a fender rolled especially the rear. The rear quarter as apposed to the front fender requires alot more pressure to push it out because of the thickness. It will turn out wavy. In my experience (I've rolled plenty of fenders) you can't pull out that far with the roller without hammer dolly, and repaint.

Your best bet is to go a step down on the tire size. OR you could shave off some of your back spacing to lower your ET that MAY help if you have the room between your spring/strut and fender.

[Kemiksiz]

I would not attempt to pull the fender with a bat OR a fender rolled especially the rear. The rear quarter as apposed to the front fender requires alot more pressure to push it out because of the thickness. It will turn out wavy. In my experience (I've rolled plenty of fenders) you can't pull out that far with the roller without hammer dolly, and repaint.

Your best bet is to go a step down on the tire size. OR you could shave off some of your back spacing to lower your ET that MAY help if you have the room between your spring/strut and fender.

Thanks for the experienced view, so with a hammer job, would it be easy? It would nt be a matter because after the winter I'm going to turn the color into black with the vinlys like I did with white one..

Is the hammer enough or does it need to be welded - molded etc. stuff? Any idea? Thanks a lot

[El_Chapusca]

Damn that rear left tire is gonna get f'ed look at the adjustment!!!

[Boosted3.0]

GET SMALLER WHEELS AND TIRES. If you go to a shoe store and try on a pair of 14's and they don't fit...you get smaller shoes. If you want wide tires buy a Lambo.

[Kemiksiz]

Damn that rear left tire is gonna get f'ed look at the adjustment!!!

In the picture it was -3.0 camber, so I agreed with you , know they r cool with -2.0 camber

3.0 boosted, just boost your ass from the topic.. Did I asked you that if I need to buy a lambo or smaller wheels? No, dont think so.. Smaller tyres are so easy choice, I prefer to fight with it, not giving up so easily.. Not my style .

Try to give an idea, just some nice dudes have done ..

[vdubstreets]

Thanks for the experienced view, so with a hammer job, would it be easy? It would nt be a matter because after the winter I'm going to turn the color into black with the vinlys like I did with white one..

Is the hammer enough or does it need to be welded - molded etc. stuff? Any idea? Thanks a lot

Anyway you look at it, its going to be alot of work to pull the fender to fit the wheels (granted I cant really even see how much clearence you need). Dont get me wrong I'm not saying it cant be done with a fender roller or Bat method but its highly unlikely especialy for someone who hasn't used one before for it to come out decent. Besides that in my expierience I have been swayed agaist using a roller to pull fenders. The hammer and dolly method is very time consuming and after it all the car will need to get painted. Im in the middle of pulling my fenders on my GTI , I planed on painting the whole car anyways and its a project i dont exepect to be done any time soon.




thats about 4-5 hours into the fender and there is still a long ways to go. Aside from all that my friend is doing most of the work who has the expierience.

If I were you to save some time and money just to fit the wheels I would either get smaller tires or go to a machine shop see if they can shave a few mm off the backspaceing to raise the ET a bit. But in the end its really up to you thats just my $.02.

[Boosted3.0]

Kemskiz no need to get angry. I'm assuming your pockets aren't endless so your not going to get the tires to fit. I'm just trying to open your eyes to make the smart, obvious, and easy fix. But it's your car! ;)

[20vturbo]

i hope it's quattro

[martini]

the rear fenders dont really have much of a lip to roll... the front fenders can be rolled a bit... i would use a heat gun on low, a pvc pipe and a rag... you can get an additional 1/4" out of the fronts... just jack up the car so you can get the pvc pipe between the tires and teh fender at the angle you want... roll the pvc pipe back and forth while lightly heating the area so your paint doesnt crack






This pic is hard to tell.. but you can see where my tires were rubbing, so i rolled it in that area and havent had problems up front since

[dirtybrd]

Have the alignment shop remove most of the rear toe-in. The tires seem to rub in the back of the arch, at least mine do. By removing the toe-in you're rotating the tire on it axis bringing the rear of the tire in. You'll have to leave some toe-in but just a touch or the car will wander at speed.

[Kemiksiz]

Have the alignment shop remove most of the rear toe-in. The tires seem to rub in the back of the arch, at least mine do. By removing the toe-in you're rotating the tire on it axis bringing the rear of the tire in. You'll have to leave some toe-in but just a touch or the car will wander at speed.

Boosted, dude I was not angry, just messing!

Vdub; man you have a lot of work there for sure My requirement is 1 cm AT MOST.. So maybe I can fix it with the toe adjustment.

Have the alignment shop remove most of the rear toe-in. The tires seem to rub in the back of the arch, at least mine do. By removing the toe-in you're rotating the tire on it axis bringing the rear of the tire in. You'll have to leave some toe-in but just a touch or the car will wander at speed.

What are your exact degrees on toe and camber? and also tyre, wheels and et specs? It took my attention because its an option..

[Kemiksiz]

Shit ! I was searching and I noticed I had the same issue with the previous setup .. Rubbing Issue!

I'll first try some sport suspension setup and the toe in action.. I wont get rid of my bigfoots

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The 275 tire you have now are 10mm wider than the 265 which means you have to clear 5mm on the outside edge of the tire.

Trying to roll the rear fenders is a waste of time as I did it on my Avant and got maybe 2mm of clearance.

If it is possible have a shop machine off 3-5mm of metal off the hub to pull the wheel in and then adjust the camber to clear the fender lip. I took 3mm off my Keskins to make it go from an ET30 to ET33.

Or just buy some 265/30/19 tires and call it a day.