performance gains?

[kuku4s4]

hi all, new to the b6's and b7's and thinking of picking one up soon and thought id ask some questions on the forum. was doing some research and wanted to know
A) what type of performance gains would you see from the basic bolt-on's such as exhaust, high flow cats, intake, software?
B) with full bolt-ons what type of 1/4 miles should a tip s4 be running? and
C) how do you Tip guys like it (transmission)? do any of you guys regret it?

[ghost_whip]

all these have been discussed at length...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/search.php

[Yessir Man]

first off you should look into getting a 6MT

yes the search button is very useful also

[Justincredible]

love my tip.
you can get about the same performance wise as the 6 speed manual cars. I would think there might be a chance that Hp #'s could suffer due to the extra draw from the trans but I got great performance from mine. There are just not too many guys with tips pushing the limits

[V8S4Fun]

I get great performance from my TIP and love it! BTW, always pushing it!

[Justincredible]

I get great performance from my TIP and love it! BTW, always pushing it!

Nice

We need to start the Tips for more power club... lol

Some people think the Tip is just a lame dog. IMHO nothing is going to give you that total feed back like you would get form the manual trans. You don't have full control over the power engagement like with the manual either. But you can still get great 1/4 mile and performance times.

The 6 speed auto in the S4 just doesn't give up as much performance as the old autos would in the past. I drove both before I purchased and the Tip definitely responds well and still IMHO lets you have a great driving experience. Some people think that auto sports cars are a cardinal sin and thus will never be convinced other wise that a Auto can be a great addition to a sports car. There is still excitement to be had with the tip. But if you were even on the fence about a manual I would go with the manual. If you want a sports car with a great Auto. The B6 S4 dose great

Not only that but from a MPG stand point the auto is better there.

[V8S4Fun]

I totally agree with you. I drove both before I decided, the only one thing is I wish that we could get something for the TCU to get quicker shifts. I know our TCU is difficult to get to which is why noone has an upgrade available. The paddle shifting would be much more fun if the gears banged a little harder.

Over all though, especially in S mode, it is so much fun!

[wat2022]

and dont have to worry about blowing out a clutch!

[Buegie]

and dont have to worry about blowing out a clutch!

yea, you only have to replace the whole tranny which is about x10 the cost of a clutch

[ChronicTeutonic]

Manual Trans is soon to be dead, like film is to digital.

I've driven cars (TT, GTI, and A3) with Audi/VW's DSG dual clutch transmission and it is nothing short of stellar. The cars equipped with DSG are now faster than their MT counterparts AND get better mileage. The .08 sec shift times make the tach jump up and down unbelievably quick (faster than Ferrari the Enzo's .15 sec shifts)

"D" mode is pretty boring, but gets you excellent fuel economy. "S" is unbelievable you get the same high revving, but the trans even rev matches for you on the downshifts. There is also "tiptronic" mode where you can shift with the stick or the paddles if you want the control. Plus, most of the DSG cars now have launch mode when you put it in "S" and disable the traction control. Hold your left foot on the brake and rev the engine to about 3,000-4,0000 with the right, then launch by taking your foot off the brake.

The current 09L trans (model designation for our S4) is part way there with the torque converter lock-up, but shifts are still rather slow in "Tip" mode. Hopefully, Audi will take steps to make the DSG more robust since it's currently limited to ~260 HP. I think it currently only works in transverse mounted configurations as well.

BTW, I went to the Audi Driving Experience this weekend and I can say the new B8 platform is going to be awesome when it gets the new SC V6 is the upcoming S4! It's going to be a tough battle for BMW from now on (Mercedes and Lexus have a lot of work to do if their current offerings are going to be anywhere near the performance of these brands.)

[ieatfishburitos]

Manual Trans is soon to be dead, like film is to digital.

I've driven cars (TT, GTI, and A3) with Audi/VW's DSG dual clutch transmission and it is nothing short of stellar. The cars equipped with DSG are now faster than their MT counterparts AND get better mileage. The .08 sec shift times make the tach jump up and down unbelievably quick (faster than Ferrari the Enzo's .15 sec shifts)

"D" mode is pretty boring, but gets you excellent fuel economy. "S" is unbelievable you get the same high revving, but the trans even rev matches for you on the downshifts. There is also "tiptronic" mode where you can shift with the stick or the paddles if you want the control. Plus, most of the DSG cars now have launch mode when you put it in "S" and disable the traction control. Hold your left foot on the brake and rev the engine to about 3,000-4,0000 with the right, then launch by taking your foot off the brake.

The current 09L trans (model designation for our S4) is part way there with the torque converter lock-up, but shifts are still rather slow in "Tip" mode. Hopefully, Audi will take steps to make the DSG more robust since it's currently limited to ~260 HP. I think it currently only works in transverse mounted configurations as well.

BTW, I went to the Audi Driving Experience this weekend and I can say the new B8 platform is going to be awesome when it gets the new SC V6 is the upcoming S4! It's going to be a tough battle for BMW from now on (Mercedes and Lexus have a lot of work to do if their current offerings are going to be anywhere near the performance of these brands.)

I just had a new A3 for a loaner car for the weekend with the DSG paddle shifter setup. I have to say that car shifts extremely fast, I really enjoyed it and was very impressed. I could live with something like that over a 6 speed.

[S4J]

I totally prefer a manual, but I tell you, every time I drive a loaner from the dealership, I realize the merits of the tip. As for performance, I would almost give the nod to the tip just for the fact that in a standing race, all you have to do is mash the throttle. You get a perfect launch every time. I wouldn't doubt a tip would beat me half the time (given equal mods) just because I am liable to screw up the launch or miss a shift. However, every time I get my car back...I love rowing through the gears again.

To the OP...I'd do more searching...

[ieatfishburitos]

Yeah but S4J, I think there may be a huge difference between the TIPs and the new DSG automatics. I prefer a 6 speed over a TIP, but if it were a DSG in a S4 I'd probably take that.

[kuku4s4]

thanks for all the feed back on the tranny guys, still in the research stage of this purchase. my cousin just got a b7 a4 2.0t and after driving it withthe tiptronic engaged im really beginning to dislike my a6 2.8 more and more hahah

[Ike]

I personally thought the AT ruined the car and had almost given up on the S4 until I drove an MT.

[S4J]

Yeah but S4J, I think there may be a huge difference between the TIPs and the new DSG automatics. I prefer a 6 speed over a TIP, but if it were a DSG in a S4 I'd probably take that.

Agreed.

[b00st]

you just don't get that same kind of seat pressure from an auto compared to a manual car. just like driving an auto vette....not the same feeling as driving a manual one. in the auto...i know i'm going fast...it just doesn't feel fast. 6MT for me.

[40valve]

I wanted the tip so my lady could drive the car too but once I test drove it I knew it was going to have to be 6 speed. HUGE difference.

I did a fuel-line delete mod and now the car is insanely fast

[V8S4Fun]

Fuel line delete?

[iamproph]

I have a TIP and I dont understand why everyone loves the S mode. I drive it 100% in tiptronic mode and either shift with the paddles or the gear knob. I see no benefit of having it in S mode, in TIP you can choose when you want to shift just like a MT, you can power brake, do everything. The simple fact that when someone comes up to race you, in a MT you are always ready and can just drop to whatever gear you want, in TIP mode I can do the same, S mode its a lot harder. I love my TIP because it can be a civil cruiser when I want it and I can become aggressive very quickly, some cars like ours I really like the TIP, others like my buddys porsche, you have to have in MT or else its a waste. But like another responder said, DSG's are making big increases now, look at the GT-R, only comes in automatic now. I know there is something to be said about driving a MT and feeling like part of the car, and I agree and have had a few cars that were MT, but now the performance factor isnt a factor anymore.

[GameBreaker]

I am up for a Tips for more power club. I don't know why so many rag on it so bad, when the performance difference between that and the 6 speed is minimal. I love 6speeds but for a daily driver, in a large city the choice was obvious.

The comparison with the Corvette auto and 6-speed is apples and oranges. I have driven an Auto Corvette, the 6-speed and a ZR1, and Chevy's transmissions are horrible and don't have anywhere near the complexity of the Audi. Tip is a lot closer to DSG, than an Auto Corvette, but it still needs a lot more love.

Oh, and I love my Tiptronic, but if I didn't drive it in the city daily I would have definitely have gone for the 6-speed.

[40valve]

Fuel line delete?

joke

[sakimano]

tip vs. dsg is absolutely night and day

tip = 1 clutch
dsg = dual clutch

only problem with the old DSG which was awesome on the little engines was it couldn't handle the B7 S4 torque (hence they didn't use it, but used the old (OLD) tip system with the awful lag).

the new DSG in the B8 V6T is amazing. They are working on making it friendly enough to work in the RS5 which will enable it to be used in the re-worked R8...should be awesome in that engine, assuming the RS5 does indeed use the 32V 4.2L FSI V8 from the RS4/R8.

Yeah but S4J, I think there may be a huge difference between the TIPs and the new DSG automatics. I prefer a 6 speed over a TIP, but if it were a DSG in a S4 I'd probably take that.

[kuku4s4]

tip vs. dsg is absolutely night and day

tip = 1 clutch
dsg = dual clutch

only problem with the old DSG which was awesome on the little engines was it couldn't handle the B7 S4 torque (hence they didn't use it, but used the old (OLD) tip system with the awful lag).

the new DSG in the B8 V6T is amazing. They are working on making it friendly enough to work in the RS5 which will enable it to be used in the re-worked R8...should be awesome in that engine, assuming the RS5 does indeed use the 32V 4.2L FSI V8 from the RS4/R8.

im pretty sure tip's don't use a clutch just torque converter?

[40valve]

im pretty sure tip's don't use a clutch just torque converter?

Yea, they don't have a clutch. I'd take new DSG over manual for sure.