K03 swap

[theeman23_69]

I searched around and didn't find the answer that actually helps. I am going to be dropping off my 01 B5 S4 to have the turbos swapped. What parts are needed? besides the turbos themselves? Is there any lines that should be replaced while he is in there? He's going to change the clutch and flywheel while he is in there anyway. Maybe the slave cyl should be replaced? oil lines? gaskets, nuts or washers? Any idea would be great. I just hate to see the car sit there for too long waiting on parts.

By the way, my passenger side turbo is the one going, I keep smelling coolant burning and it leaks coolant, I think right at the turbo.

Like I said, any help would be greatly appreciated!

[JDM EJ1 95]

just the hardware kit should suffice.

[ThirdStrike]

youre not going to put k04's on? correct me if im wrong but they are about the same price new as k03's

[theeman23_69]

Maybe they are the same price new. but correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to change the pipes to do a k04 swap? Don't you need to upgrade software (though i heard that it will still run, just not very well)? I don't need any more power from this car, It screams like a scalded dog now.

This hardware kit you speak of, got a link to it? or is it the one that ECS has, that has gaskets or something?

[theeman23_69]

I also noticed the samco hose kit, is that just the intercooler piping or is that the water lines too? Is there just a waterline kit out there? Im surfing around JHM right now.

[tike0rz]

You sound a lot like my friend Keith. He always said he didn't need K04s, until he went stage 3. Now he is perfectly content with 300 wheel!

[ThirdStrike]

your questions can be answered by searching
try "stage 3-" on search
you can bolt k04's up with a chipped car. wouldnt do it on a stock ecu unless u plan on running a mbc and setting your boost to 5psi or something. still the ecu needs to request more fueling for the increased airflow blah blah blah.. its been discussed endlessly on here. search

[theeman23_69]

Woah woah woah!!!! The whole "correct me if I'm wrong" was rhetoric. I do not want to go stage anything. I love my car and chose not to get anymore power out of it, even if its the same price. My question was ONLY to find out if there are other parts that should be changed or are recommended to be changed when you pull a motor and change STOCK K03s with STOCK K03s. The clutch is fine, but since he's in there he can replace it so I don't have to have it opened up again later. I am ONLY trying to kill more than one bird with the engine pull stone. I hope I have not confused anyone now.

And btw, posting in a forum is like yelling questions in the library. It should only be done after one has used up all other options, I.E. searches, archive, Bentley manual, etc. Forums are just great ways to utilize more experience than you possess.

[Jung]

well you'd be killing a lot more bird by putting in k04s.. theyre better turbos.. That's a fact. why NOT upgrade to k04s even if you dont want more power? Its a better thing in general. I dont understand the mindset of these people...

[ThirdStrike]

well you'd be killing a lot more bird by putting in k04s.. theyre better turbos.. That's a fact. why NOT upgrade to k04s even if you dont want more power? Its a better thing in general. I dont understand the mindset of these people...

truth^
op; you obviously havent done your research

[theeman23_69]

Well the guy has a set he ordered for some one but never got paid for that he's offering to me for $1000. Want to sell me your K04s for $1000? Maybe you want to paypal me the other thousand and I will buy the K04s. The factory K03s lasted 90k, if rebuilt ones will last me another 40k, i will be tickled.

As for speed, I have 85 horse Buell that would hold its own against most of these stage three S4s.

For "crying out loud", I know this car is an obsession to most of you, to some it is a beautifully engineered car with nice clean lines that purrrs like a kitten and handles like its in on rails. if your going to drop $10k+ in to your cars modifying your car, Why not buy something that you like, instead of manipulating something you have.

I believe this car was the second step for Audi to rejuvenate its name. People, far more educated than I, designed this car, put blood sweat and tears into this car. I just hate for a piece of functional art to be ripped to pieces, just cause it doesn't suit the driver. Maybe I'm wrong, just my 2 cents.

[ThirdStrike]

and handles like its in on rails.
I just hate for a piece of functional art to be ripped to pieces, just cause it doesn't suit the driver.

uhm what b5s4 are you driving? have you driven a well handling car?
2. someone is going to tare your car into pieces.. are you going to look the other way or something?

i hope your $1000 k03's pop bc the mechanic forgets to remove the plastic oil inlet inserts
/hatefulness

[S4-Casa]

I am going to get flamed for this one but...
I am with theeman23 on this one. Its going to cost over 2700 for k04's thats piping included yes you might find them cheaper but not by much.. K03's are 1200 a pair and thats a rebuilt warrantied ones (not brand new), both should be 1year/12k miles for warranty.
With K03's nothing changes to the car...no software no fuel no intake no intercooler nothing needs to be changed. but if you go K04 which i do know is alot more fun and reliable. To use that power you need exhaust (downpipes and catback) you will need fuel, you will need intercoolers and so on... at the end of the day the k03's are the way to rock if you want to stay where you are at. Go for it and for the posted question....
New oil lines are a must( look into the aftermarket ones... induction), look into the clutch and resurface your flywheel and change the slave cylinder. samco hose kit would be great if you want to do it.. otherwise you dont need to change anything else.

[audimeister]

Your car's resale value will go up by more than the diff to replace K03's vs. K04's.

[fourings06]

Stage 3- = a shitty running stage 2+ = pointless upgrade unless you just don't have the money for fueling and tune and you DO plan on going stage 3.

If you want to know other things you should think about doing (preventitive maintenence), check out your control arms, and definately the TIMING BELT (if you havent) Also, have you considered motor mounts / trans mounts while you get this stuff done? Not exactly preventitive, although I am sure your stock mounts are shredded as they usually are lol.

Oh and tike0rz, 300whp is not worth going stage 3, as stage 2+ averages 260-280 whp, and im sure there are a number of 2+'s over 300whp, even though only a few of them actually know what they are putting down and talk about it on here.

[mrpeterparker]

wait so people think that k03's are just as reliable as k04's? i've always been under the assumption that the k04's were more reliable. taking aside the whole more power and what not.. one way or another the k04's were suppose to be more "solid"

[badbiturbo]

K03's on a STOCK well taken care of car are very reliable. Notice the emphasis on "STOCK"

[ScottyT]

OT: Buell's suck, easy rider lol does it have ape hangers? sorry, but I have never hated a design direction, handling and dealer network more. They should all be recalled and burned, I can't believe your bragging about your buell (although I loved my katana when I had it which was equally crap aaahhhhhh thats better

now for your question:

If you do not have software and don't plan on having your ecu flashed (by epl, asp, vast etc.) then k03's should be fine. I would install a boost gauge just to keep an eye on the little fellas tho. If you have software, your k03's will blow again one day and you'll be right back here.

So you're set on k03's? Thats cool, this is what you'll need:
Turbo install kit: $88.00

If you haven't already, you may want to consider doing a timing belt kit, water pump, t-stat, and I recomend changing the serpentine belt AND tensioner b.c they are a bitch to do in the car.
TB Kit: $345
Tensioner: $82.00

HELL YES! to changing the slave, I didn't the first 3 times my engine and trans were out and the squeeling I thought was my belt turned out to be this!
Slave: $82

I just used VAST for all the links, I would call them if you're going to buy it all at once, I bet they'll cut you a deal or price match.

ECS has never done me wrong, but I never get the customer service from them that I do from prince at VAST, EPL, PUREms, or brian at AVALON and they don't offer a military discount (they are the ONLY company that does not) but do offer discounts for others for no reason. Sry, next.

Thats all i can think of right now and I found all the info searching on here and AW, then doing it my self 2 yrs ago. I know what its like to not have the space tho and have to depend on a shop. G/L w/everything and sell that buell! jk

[fourings06]

Timing belt kit from ECS with tensioner is only $216

http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/...ategory=Timing

[mrpeterparker]

K03's on a STOCK well taken care of car are very reliable. Notice the emphasis on "STOCK"

what's STOCK? =) j/k j/k

[Jung]

"if your going to drop $10k+ in to your cars modifying your car, Why not buy something that you like, instead of manipulating something you have." -OP

*NOT ENOUGH FACEPALM IN WORLD*

I love this car. Modding is the fun of owning cars. Why not save money and mod something you love. Having a car of your own and not soemthing that some designer thought made is why we do it.
Are you actually bashing modding cars? please leave.

[tike0rz]

Oh and tike0rz, 300whp is not worth going stage 3, as stage 2+ averages 260-280 whp, and im sure there are a number of 2+'s over 300whp, even though only a few of them actually know what they are putting down and talk about it on here.

I never said he went stage 3- to gain power. Read please. I said he is happy with 300whp. Why are you trying to start shit...? Respect.

[mholme]

New oil lines are a must( look into the aftermarket ones... induction)

You can reuse oil feed lines if your turbo failure wasn't from oil starvation. The induktion ones are longer and allow you to route them away from the exhaust manifold, but I think the dealerships started doing this anyway when they were replacing turbos under warranty.

[AK1RA07]

If your liver failed because you drank too much, I bet you'd take the transplant from the wine-o who died in a DUI accident over the one from the high school track star he took out with him, wouldn't you .. cause I mean, surgery isn't that expensive..

[mholme]

If your liver failed because you drank too much, I bet you'd take the transplant from the wine-o who died in a DUI accident over the one from the high school track star he took out with him, wouldn't you .. cause I mean, surgery isn't that expensive..

Huh?

[tike0rz]

If your liver failed because you drank too much, I bet you'd take the transplant from the wine-o who died in a DUI accident over the one from the high school track star he took out with him, wouldn't you .. cause I mean, surgery isn't that expensive..

Nice analogy!

[MacDaddy]

"if your going to drop $10k+ in to your cars modifying your car, Why not buy something that you like, instead of manipulating something you have." -OP

*NOT ENOUGH FACEPALM IN WORLD*

I love this car. Modding is the fun of owning cars. Why not save money and mod something you love. Having a car of your own and not soemthing that some designer thought made is why we do it.
Are you actually bashing modding cars? please leave.

I'm with the OP on this one. If your not happy with your car in the first place modding it won't change that as the saying goes: a leopard can't change its spots.

There was a guy on the echo forums who had a Camry, he swapped in a 3SGTE, huge ass turbo, big ass oval exhaust, custom coilovers, etc modified it to the point there was nothing left to do, at that point he decided to go out and bought an echo and started doing the same thing, suspension, supercharger, stitch welded chassis, and then he ran out of money and his wife divorced him because he spend all his time and money trying to turn his car into something it wasn't.

By the end of it he had spent enough money on these two shitboxes to buy a R8, M5, M6, mabey even a used ferrari, but all he had to show for it was an old ass 1997 camry with 300HP that couldn't be put to the ground by the hand of God himself, was too loud to think in and drank gas like nobody's business. If you ask me, he wasn't much better off than Nicolas Cage at the end of Lord of War.

so, get something you like in the first place or you'll end up poor, lonely and miserable.

[Caddy7]

Anyone know a good place to get oil lines???

I saw someone who cleaned his lines and reused them, any thoughts on that?

[tike0rz]

I'm with the OP on this one. If your not happy with your car in the first place modding it won't change that as the saying goes: a leopard can't change its spots.

There was a guy on the echo forums who had a Camry, he swapped in a 3SGTE, huge ass turbo, big ass oval exhaust, custom coilovers, etc modified it to the point there was nothing left to do, at that point he decided to go out and bought an echo and started doing the same thing, suspension, supercharger, stitch welded chassis, and then he ran out of money and his wife divorced him because he spend all his time and money trying to turn his car into something it wasn't.

By the end of it he had spent enough money on these two shitboxes to buy a R8, M5, M6, mabey even a used ferrari, but all he had to show for it was an old ass 1997 camry with 300HP that couldn't be put to the ground by the hand of God himself, was too loud to think in and drank gas like nobody's business. If you ask me, he wasn't much better off than Nicolas Cage at the end of Lord of War.

so, get something you like in the first place or you'll end up poor, lonely and miserable.

Thats a really sad story man. Kinda like the twilight zone or something.

[mholme]

Anyone know a good place to get oil lines???

I saw someone who cleaned his lines and reused them, any thoughts on that?

You can clean the feed lines and reuse them. The passenger side gets cooked so you probably want to thermal wrap it like induktion does with their lines.

[MacDaddy]

who sells OEM oil lines, or aftermarket ones that don't cost $175?

[fourings06]

tike0rz, stage 3- comment was made towards the dude telling him it was a decent option instead of just replacing k03's like he wants. i was just saying if he did desire 300 hp, 2+ would be cheaper and push the same power

[mholme]

who sells OEM oil lines, or aftermarket ones that don't cost $175?

Dealer, WorldPac vendors.

[ScottyT]

I have a set of 01.5 feed lines, took off at 88 thousand, ran some brake clean through them and put them in a box. These are the updated lines that came on the 01.5 and 02 (if your car has esp, you most likely have them already)

$50 plus shipping to anyone who needs them, I went with induction, 11,000 miles and no leaks ftmfw

[theeman23_69]

Well thank you for all the good info. I will look into the turbo install kit, the oil lines, and slave cylinder.

I would like to come back more for the immense knowledge base that this forum possesses, but I will have to weed through the poop talkers to get to the great info. Thanks again for the info, I drop my baby off at the shop in a couple weeks when I am going out of town. I will report back and maybe recommend the shop to others.

And Buells do ROCK!!! hp gets you speed, but torque gets the checkers. Buells have made some great advances in the past couple years, but thats for another thread.