Please help me get in the 11's

[nocturnals4]

Ko3's are getting noisy and I'm getting bored with them, so going stg3. I would love to go with GT's but thats just not going to happen. So I ordered my PJ Ko4's/oem inlets the other night and now Im trying to figure out what else I need to go 11's. Ive stfa and all that left me with is too many choices of what could be done. All im asking is for a lil help in what to add to the ko4s to be a reliable 11. Do I swap the piggies for DP's or cutouts? Which fueling: Vast, EPL, APR, Marc....? Clutch: Clutchmasters, RS4...? Water meth kit? Car wont be DD but want it to be as reliable. Is there a way I can go reliable to maxed out and back Stg3 as I can with Stg2 giac flashloader? Please help me out so I can get this ish ordered so I can get to TIA

P.S. I know it has a great deal to do with driving ability, but obviously I at least want the car to have the power available.

[Rated S]

ASP w/ WM will get you into 11s easily.

A guy out here put down 380awhp on 91 with ASP tune and Water/Meth on a DynoDynamics, which is known to be a heartbreaker in terms of giving out low numbers.

[chris.mcneal]

SSP! They have more than one car in the 11s easily.

[Das General]

SSP! They have more than one car in the 11s easily.

Agreed. They actually have proven power. ASP may be awesome, they may suck, but I have never seen an ASP car successfully run at the track. I have also never seen an ASP car run at the track...but that is another story.

[BastardS4]

11s is tough on pump gas/full weight/exhaust.

race gas is a lot easier. but im almost there on 94octane.

[Das General]

11s is tough on pump gas/full weight/exhaust.

race gas is a lot easier. but im almost there on 94octane.

There have been 3 SSP cars (off the top of my head) that have run 11's on pump/full exhaust/full interior. Which is why I say they have proven power.

[nocturnals4]

well I do have 93 oct at every pump if that makes things any better + possibly W/M kit

[chris.mcneal]

And a bit into the 11's too, 11.6 I know for sure... maybe even lower? I am sure some SSP guys will chime in.

[zmw]

I'd start with a different car if 11s is your primary goal... just my .02 which after being taxed by Obama is worth about -.03

[Das General]

And a bit into the 11's too, 11.6 I know for sure... maybe even lower? I am sure some SSP guys will chime in.

I am an SSP guy.

[AMC]

marcs tune is good for 11's

[nocturnals4]

I'd start with a different car if 11s is your primary goal... just my .02 which after being taxed by Obama is worth about -.03

Sure Ill just go buy a Bugatti.....Thanks for your useless .02

Does SSP have fueling kits or just the tuning?

And I know Marcs is fast but what psi is his? Not trying to run maxed out all the time.

[AielloS4]

marcs tune is good for 11's

fact,

ran a 11.8 with not the best launching and clutch problems and trapped 124mph. id go with Marcs fueling.

[4RingsCircus]

You will hear that every decent tuner can go into the 11s. It is true. With proper supporting hardware. You'll want VAST piggies, NEW K04s RS4 plumbing including Y pipe, and a modded RS4 airbox, and very solid intercoolers (I strongly recommend ER, if you aren't into cutting your bumper a lot. With W/M, you don't require FMIC), W/M injection, Engine and tranny mounts, snub mount, Drive train Stabilizer, built trans parts, a proper fueling system (I prefer 42 lb injectors and 4 bar FPR for a finer mist), a free flowing cat-back exhaust, and possibly other odds and ends. You will want to ensure that you have solid compression, and excellent leakdown numbers.

I would also recommend Linear rate springs or pretty stiff progressives, for optimal launching. There's more to it than that, but it's a whole other subject.

If your engine is running at 100%, you will have a much easier time getting what you are looking for. Simply shoving bigger air and fuel at the problem may make you a sad (and broke) panda.

I really feel that Mike at VAST performance can get what you are looking for.

You can also do things like change trans gear ratios to liven things up. If you shift slow, it may be to your advantage to raise gearing and max RPM up, so that you never see 5th or 6th in a 1/4 mile run. 8000 or so RPM is expensive to get to, and you probably couldn't see 23 PSI to it, but being able to ride a longer power band, and hav higher peak HP due to RPM has some serious merit to it. I would run a PSI or so lower, if you want longevity, and raise revs and or gearing.

Raising engine red line past 7400 on stock valve stuff will probably break things badly.

Just remember:

"How fa$$$t do you want to go?"

More boost is better, until intake temps climb and /or efficiency range is lost.
More fuel past a point is bad.
HP=T*R/5252, unless you try to get more HP by raising Rpm past safe. then HP=zero.

[GramCracker]

Whats the difference between PJ K04's and regular K04's? And where can you get PJ K04's/what makes them different?

[Dr.Duct]

You will hear that every decent tuner can go into the 11s. It is true. With proper supporting hardware. You'll want VAST piggies, NEW K04s RS4 plumbing including Y pipe, and a modded RS4 airbox, and very solid intercoolers (I strongly recommend ER, if you aren't into cutting your bumper a lot. With W/M, you don't require FMIC), W/M injection, Engine and tranny mounts, snub mount, Drive train Stabilizer, built trans parts, a proper fueling system (I prefer 42 lb injectors and 4 bar FPR for a finer mist), a free flowing cat-back exhaust, and possibly other odds and ends. You will want to ensure that you have solid compression, and excellent leakdown numbers.

I would also recommend Linear rate springs or pretty stiff progressives, for optimal launching. There's more to it than that, but it's a whole other subject.

If your engine is running at 100%, you will have a much easier time getting what you are looking for. Simply shoving bigger air and fuel at the problem may make you a sad (and broke) panda.

I really feel that Mike at VAST performance can get what you are looking for.

You can also do things like change trans gear ratios to liven things up. If you shift slow, it may be to your advantage to raise gearing and max RPM up, so that you never see 5th or 6th in a 1/4 mile run. 8000 or so RPM is expensive to get to, and you probably couldn't see 23 PSI to it, but being able to ride a longer power band, and hav higher peak HP due to RPM has some serious merit to it. I would run a PSI or so lower, if you want longevity, and raise revs and or gearing.

Raising engine red line past 7400 on stock valve stuff will probably break things badly.

Just remember:

"How fa$$$t do you want to go?"

More boost is better, until intake temps climb and /or efficiency range is lost.
More fuel past a point is bad.
HP=T*R/5252, unless you try to get more HP by raising Rpm past safe. then HP=zero.

who is this guy??

Give me a shout tomorrow jeremy.. We will chat.

[Brian@AR]

deb38, quick question for you. Are these Ko4 cars running on pump? Anything special about them that they have done to get into the 11's if they are K04 cars? I have seen a couple K04 cars with a GIAC tune run about 11.8 but that was on race gas. How reliable is the tune for a real Daily driver? Just curious. Thanks for your input.

There have been 3 SSP cars (off the top of my head) that have run 11's on pump/full exhaust/full interior. Which is why I say they have proven power.

[Das General]

deb38, quick question for you. Are these Ko4 cars running on pump? Anything special about them that they have done to get into the 11's if they are K04 cars? I have seen a couple K04 cars with a GIAC tune run about 11.8 but that was on race gas. How reliable is the tune for a real Daily driver? Just curious. Thanks for your input.

Yup pump tunes. One later switched over to the SSP e85 tune and is supposed to be even faster.

When I ran my SSP pump tune I was putting a lot of lengths on an APR stg 3 running a race file.

It is very aggressive tuning, a decent a mount of boost and timing. I daily drove it for a while, until my headgasket blew. My new setup will be going back to Greg@SSP.

Here are some pump gas SSP cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqn5GPpD7RQ (old SSP tune)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYeqACHx5h8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCi2E5xOIE

[Brian@AR]

So when you ran your tune, what was done to your car? What is your new setup consisting of if you don't mind me asking? Just trying to get a better understanding on how these cars react to tuning. Thanks for the links. Very nice.

Yup pump tunes. One later switched over to the SSP e85 tune and is supposed to be even faster.

When I ran my SSP pump tune I was putting a lot of lengths on an APR stg 3 running a race file.

It is very aggressive tuning, a decent a mount of boost and timing. I daily drove it for a while, until my headgasket blew. My new setup will be going back to Greg@SSP.

Here are some pump gas SSP cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqn5GPpD7RQ (old SSP tune)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYeqACHx5h8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCi2E5xOIE

[JDMTRYME]

Have an 85 pound jockey drive your car. LOL!!! SHould be good for a 11.2, starve him for 2 days, maybe a 10.99

[Das General]

So when you ran your tune, what was done to your car? What is your new setup consisting of if you don't mind me asking? Just trying to get a better understanding on how these cars react to tuning. Thanks for the links. Very nice.

Well I know longer have the K04 setup. At that time though, it was PJ K04's, straight downpipes (no cats), straight 3.5" exhaust (no mufflers/no res). Custom FMIC with 2.5" piping. 630cc injectors, walbro 255 FP. 85mm VagMotorsport straight through MAF, 9" DryFlow Intake. Topped with a custom tune that had about 50 revisions since day one.

The new setup is a built block with Pauter rods, 2.8 heads/cams with 034 intake/exhaust valves etc etc, TiAL 44mm WG, Borg Warner s372 turbo, pre-production single turbo manifold, custom FMIC, and Meth injection.

That setup is almost done, but I am shooting for 600whp on pump. It will also retain ME7. It also hit up Jenny Craig for a nice little diet...still full interior though.

[Rated S]

Whats the difference between PJ K04's and regular K04's? And where can you get PJ K04's/what makes them different?

PJ K04s just means "Plain Jane" K04s, i.e. no RS6 hybrids...etc.

[SpoolPastYou]

omg these thread repeats are endless..seeearrcchhhh...shit, peoples 11 sec times are in their sigs...youtube 11sec s4..garuntee u get something..then email the person who posted..or CALL vast, epl, marc, ssp, asp, etc etc etc

and im not even being a dick its just these answers should come through track knowledge..the last thing these answers shud come from is forum bench racing..go to a track..talk to people...watch and talk to people who race s4's and are in or close to 11's

[spinny]

Wanna run 11s? then do this..

run your car now, see what it does.
Go stage3 (tune of your choice) see what it does.
Make appropriate mods to hit 11s

There is no "formula" that ='s 11's.. you can be pointed into the right direction, but all S4's are not created equal.

[2001S4NY]

you also need to have track experience to run 11's. Do your research and pick a tune, everyone on here has a different opinion on software, but you have to see how many of them actually went 11's in their car

[Das General]

you also need to have track experience to run 11's. Do your research and pick a tune, everyone on here has a different opinion on software, but you have to see how many of them actually went 11's in their car

Didn't Tommy run 11's with your tune, without any prior track time?

[2001S4NY]

Didn't Tommy run 11's with your tune, without any prior track time?

yes but he is "asian" he also has been driving stick for not a whole year

[espo4442]

yes but he is "asian" he also has been driving stick for not a whole year

hahahaha

[AudiSportB5S4]

Greg can tune your car so it runs 11's even when its off ! now thats powa

[2001S4NY]

Greg can tune your car so it runs 11's even when its off ! now thats powa

almost as good as a six flags roll a coaster ride

[AudiSportB5S4]

almost as good as a six flags roll a coaster ride

lol. have you gotten my texts? my phone just died no more battery but can you text me a price for the aux. water pump replacement at the same time as the valve cover gaskets and all. thanks brooo!

[4RingsCircus]

who is this guy??

Give me a shout tomorrow jeremy.. We will chat.

I'm DARKMAN!!!

Ok, maybe not. Just throwing an opinion out there. They don't give out medals for hitting 11s, so I figure say whatever.

Does that make me bad?

[Unispeed]

Ha, someone should do what Marc did but with a KO3 car thats stage 2+. The results may be interesting. Has anyone done that before?

[NogaroWonda00]

the piggies are fine i suppose, i havent had a chance to run my car, or get it dyno'd. but i would get epl if you have the money,with water-meth youll for sure get into that 400+whp after a good tune. which they tune some beast S' .....the 11's part is up to you though, it doesnt matter if youve got a 500hp car if you cant drive it good!

your getting a new clutch and intercoolers as well?

where are you going to get the k04 kit?

[BurnAll4S4]

go with marc 10secs4.

[Evilevo]

SSP has some fast cars, mine will be one of them.

PS: Greg, what size pipe do i need for that intake?

[nocturnals4]

So currently Im leaning towards Marcs fueling. Thinking about putting cutouts on the piggies. And going with a Clutchmasters, but which one for low 11's? And adding a W/M kit.......= Good for 11's?

[Evilevo]

So currently Im leaning towards Marcs fueling. Thinking about putting cutouts on the piggies. And going with a Clutchmasters, but which one for low 11's? And adding a W/M kit.......= Good for 11's?

I thought about marks tune too. But than i went with SSP. I wanted a custom for my car not made by another company tune

[So_NAudi]

I'm DARKMAN!!!

when i saw this i thought of nightman from its always sunny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ein8lELsXSE

[WMi_S4]

So currently Im leaning towards Marcs fueling. Thinking about putting cutouts on the piggies. And going with a Clutchmasters, but which one for low 11's? And adding a W/M kit.......= Good for 11's?

Dude, do u search at all on the forums, or simply just post aimless questions.....there have been dozens of threads about W/M and the gains in both Stage 2+ and Stage 3, same w/ Marcs fueling..... If you want more power, get bigger DP's than stockers, like ASP 3" or WMS Widemouth or even custom ones! Your clutch is dependent on how much power you are going to be putting down, so call the vendors and ask them!! Vendors are just as helpful as us, and they don't bite