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    Veteran Member Four Rings Toast's Avatar
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    S4 or A4 wagon???

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    You can get a b6 S4 for roughly ~25k and you would have a great car that you probably wouldnt spend money modding.

    or

    You can get a b6 S4 for about $17 and spend the difference modding it. Brakes, stroker, BAT, suspension...
    I can see getting a lighter, faster, better braking ride from the A4 minus the luxury of the S4 interior.

    So im curious what would you choose and why?
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    Registered User Four Rings winston@podi.ca's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Buy and A4, bring it to Vancouver, have us install a complete GT2871 turbo kit with all the goodies for $6000 and chew up B6S4 all day long while you wait for the S4 seats!

    And the A4 is better on gas.
    Last edited by [email protected]; 11-03-2008 at 10:08 PM.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Toast's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Its your fault im thinking this - imo you've got one of the cleanest avants here.
    But GT2871 come on thats old school how about 3071R kit?
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    Registered User Four Rings winston@podi.ca's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Well thanks for the kind words.

    The GT2871 kit is the smallest kit we plan to sell... and old school? Let me give you some details.

    So for $7200CAN (~$6000USD) you get

    GT2871r
    flow matched 630cc injectors
    REVO software
    custom stainless tubular manifold
    custom TIP
    custom downpipe
    custom FMIC using a bar & plate core

    and this is INSTALLED at the shop so I think if you price it out you'll see it's a hell of a deal. Go price out an APR Stage 3+ kit and that doesn't even have an intercooler.

    We do plan to offer a 3071 and 3076 package as well. But those will cost a bit more due to components like a 44mm Tial external wastegate. But the overall price is very competitive when you consider that our price includes custom installation to your car.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Toast's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Didnt mean it in any negative way, thats a really good price for a great proven kit.
    I just like the potential of a 2.0 with a big turbo.
    2010 A4 Avant

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    Registered User Four Rings winston@podi.ca's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Maybe I could have worded the reply differently but I got excited to get the words down.

    Anyway get an A4 and mod it as you can get it exactly you want for the extra money.

    A few people I know want to drop the SC in their S4 to play with us now.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings kneel's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Well thanks for the kind words.

    The GT2871 kit is the smallest kit we plan to sell... and old school? Let me give you some details.

    So for $7200CAN (~$6000USD) you get

    GT2871r
    flow matched 630cc injectors
    REVO software
    custom stainless tubular manifold
    custom TIP
    custom downpipe
    custom FMIC using a bar & plate core

    and this is INSTALLED at the shop so I think if you price it out you'll see it's a hell of a deal. Go price out an APR Stage 3+ kit and that doesn't even have an intercooler.

    We do plan to offer a 3071 and 3076 package as well. But those will cost a bit more due to components like a 44mm Tial external wastegate. But the overall price is very competitive when you consider that our price includes custom installation to your car.
    been looking into a kit like this. How reliable is this for the motor? How much time is it gonna spend in shop gettting tuned, etc. I drive 150+ miles a day and i want my 1.8t to be a little faster and a eliable daily driver?. Ko4 upgrade is nice but not what i'm looking for.
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    A4 ... more mods, better gas mileage!

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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by Toast View Post
    You can get a b6 S4 for roughly ~25k and you would have a great car that you probably wouldnt spend money modding.

    or

    You can get a b6 S4 for about $17 and spend the difference modding it. Brakes, stroker, BAT, suspension...
    I can see getting a lighter, faster, better braking ride from the A4 minus the luxury of the S4 interior.

    So im curious what would you choose and why?
    A V8 motor drives differently than a top end focused BT 4-cylinder motor.

    I really suggest you drive both (or at least get a ride). They are different, you cant base your judgement on power numbers alone. The A4 does get better gas mileage though, thats for sure.

    There are other pros/cons such as insurance, resale, tuning headaches, etc. You should really decide how you want to treat the car, either as a nice, reliable, clean, daily driver with good power and few problems... or a more high strung, fast as hell, top end car that WILL have issues, sooner or later. You have to be willing to put in the time to really take care of a heavily modified car, and that relates to all the components: motor, suspension, brakes, etc. Its a lifestyle choice hehe.

    I personally went with the A4 over the S4, and would make the same choice again.
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Well thanks for the kind words.

    The GT2871 kit is the smallest kit we plan to sell... and old school? Let me give you some details.

    So for $7200CAN (~$6000USD) you get

    GT2871r
    flow matched 630cc injectors
    REVO software
    custom stainless tubular manifold
    custom TIP
    custom downpipe
    custom FMIC using a bar & plate core

    and this is INSTALLED at the shop so I think if you price it out you'll see it's a hell of a deal. Go price out an APR Stage 3+ kit and that doesn't even have an intercooler.

    We do plan to offer a 3071 and 3076 package as well. But those will cost a bit more due to components like a 44mm Tial external wastegate. But the overall price is very competitive when you consider that our price includes custom installation to your car.

    Wow what a deal Winston i think i might hit u up for this.
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by Toast View Post
    Didnt mean it in any negative way, thats a really good price for a great proven kit.
    I just like the potential of a 2.0 with a big turbo.
    come down to the pasadena meets man check my sig.

    And i say get an S4 wagon fast off the bat and less problems.
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    Veteran Member Four Rings michgo's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by kneel View Post
    been looking into a kit like this. How reliable is this for the motor? How much time is it gonna spend in shop gettting tuned, etc.
    ^^
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    I vote s4 then supercharge it. But then again, I already have an a4...so..my next will be at least be an S.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings AudiA4Turbo22's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    2003 RS6 for like $25k? that's what i'm planning to buy
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    if you get an a4, wait for the BAT guys to start nailing down setups. If you can't wait for that get the s4 and enjoy the lower gas prices, but keep in mind you'll be spending as much at the pump as you would have with the 1.8 during the peak in prices
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Well thanks for the kind words.

    The GT2871 kit is the smallest kit we plan to sell... and old school? Let me give you some details.

    So for $7200CAN (~$6000USD) you get

    GT2871r
    flow matched 630cc injectors
    REVO software
    custom stainless tubular manifold
    custom TIP
    custom downpipe
    custom FMIC using a bar & plate core

    and this is INSTALLED at the shop so I think if you price it out you'll see it's a hell of a deal. Go price out an APR Stage 3+ kit and that doesn't even have an intercooler.

    We do plan to offer a 3071 and 3076 package as well. But those will cost a bit more due to components like a 44mm Tial external wastegate. But the overall price is very competitive when you consider that our price includes custom installation to your car.

    I may just head over LOL
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    Veteran Member Four Rings golgo13's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    2003 RS6 for like $25k? that's what i'm planning to buy
    V8 twin turbo YUM YUM. is BT out of the question for this car?
    SweetnLou!

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    Registered User Four Rings winston@podi.ca's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    been looking into a kit like this. How reliable is this for the motor? How much time is it gonna spend in shop gettting tuned, etc. I drive 150+ miles a day and i want my 1.8t to be a little faster and a eliable daily driver?. Ko4 upgrade is nice but not what i'm looking for.
    GT2871 kits have been around for a while and it is a good upgrade to nice power without having to change out the internals of your engine.

    How much time to tune? A couple of hours on the Dynapacks while adjusting the software and it would be good to go.

    if you get an a4, wait for the BAT guys to start nailing down setups. If you can't wait for that get the s4 and enjoy the lower gas prices, but keep in mind you'll be spending as much at the pump as you would have with the 1.8 during the peak in prices
    A BAT setup is going to be much more involved than a 2871 setup in order to handle the power output. To be honest my own setup is a bit ridiculous for a daily driver.

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    Registered User Four Rings winston@podi.ca's Avatar
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Quote Originally Posted by golgo13 View Post
    I may just head over LOL
    If you come up I'll get you a rental car while you are here!

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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    Winston, you know better than to let people run Revo software...

    Get TAPP files
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    VANCOUVER, BC. Is a bit far for me to bring the car. U deal with anyone on the east coast.
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    Re: S4 or A4 wagon???

    ^^^ x2

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