How much was Revo Stage II Programming?

[08lichmanj]

Like the title states how much did you pay? I'm thinking of getting a testpipe but want to know how much i need to spend before hand. TIA

[Quattro]

its retail +50 bucks, if you have revo now, you pay 50 bucks for stage two...maybe if you get lucky they will not charge you. Go to your revo tuner and get it done, huge difference!

[jrok24k]

yep stage 1 is 499 and stage 2 is 550 so if you go to your revo dealer and upgrade to stage 2 it should only be 50

[CardNation]

Does the stage II software add anything other then turning off the CEL after adding a TP?

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

It usually comes with a bit more boost.

[08lichmanj]

nice! thanks guys. i was reading the gti page for a price and i thought it was like 550 just for stage 2 haha. 50 bucks is a done deal.

[Quattro]

it gives you a tad more boost, but mostly the air/fuel ratio is increased. The good thing about stage 2, it does whatever it does and you are still running 6-2-9, well at least I am running that. The base setting still runs on stage 2, but you just get the added benefits!

-randy

[RedS-line]

not that im arguing with anyone, but i would like to see someone from revo actually explain more about "stage II". How could it have 'more boost' if the settings are the same as stage I?

[Bmeister]

not that im arguing with anyone, but i would like to see someone from revo actually explain more about "stage II". How could it have 'more boost' if the settings are the same as stage I?

From my perspective, REVO software is calling for an X-multiple of boost over stock where the stock turbo can barely keep up before petering off at higher rpm. With a larger turbo, it is applying that multiple to the larger boost and air/fuel volume flow. Provided you have the other upgrades needed for Stage2 or Stage3, then you subsequently will get the power gains expected from a big turbo. Or, perhaps I have been woefully misinformed to which you can disregard my input.

[agorich]

as for my input, i have none. but this is interesting stuff.

[Quattro]

here is my noob understanding, contact revo for the precise explanation. Stage two is adjusting to the extra air flow and in return gives you more boost, etc. Stage 2 parameters are different than stage one, the way (I guess) revo designed stages was to make it as less complicated for the driver to adjust when using the selecter, so stage 2 for example, 6-2-9 (which I have) is not the same as 6-2-9 for stage one, because stage 2 is taking into account and optimizing your test pipe or hfc. It goes into more details, but that is the fundamentals...Correct me if I am wrong

bmeister, I dont think revo or chips in general are multiplying x boost or other parameters in excess that would create long turn affect to the engine. What they do is just give you more safe boost, which the stock turbo can handle (10 psi stock, chips 18-20lbs). I havent read or seen anyone who has needed a new fuel pump based on just regular chipping or minor modifications (intake, fmic). Now, if you do more crazy things like water meth or highly over boosting your car, than for sure you will be maxing out your turbo and fuel capabilities. And of course a bigger turbo will give you better output and way better gains will be given, but I doubt you will still run the basic tuning on a bigger turbo (I mean this without any sarcasm).

-randy

[RedS-line]

i would like to see actual maps comparing stage 1 to stage 2. perhaps the hp and torque curves are moved a bit with a couple extra peak hp, but i still cant imagine 6-2-9 of stage 2 producing more boost than 7-2-9 of stage 1. correct me if im wrong

[Quattro]

^^me too, but I am not the person who has those answers...that would be something directed at revo....I think they used to be around here? Else contact them via phone.
Or ask your local revo tuner, I barley have graphs of my car lol

[Cirlincione623]

Sorry for the noob question but what exact does 6-2-9 and 7-2-9 actually mean?

[Bmeister]

Sorry for the noob question but what exact does 6-2-9 and 7-2-9 actually mean?

Typically the REVO tuners and customers refer to the settings of the REVO tune by the Boost-Timing-Fuel parameters set when you get your ECM flashed. So, the 6-2-9 referred to is: Boost=6, Timing=2, Fuel=9.

These are set by your tuner or, if you purchase the REVO SelectPlus as I have done, can be set your self as you make additional performance modifications to your engine. In other words, you won't have to go back to the tuner and pay for an upgrade as you go along the road to higher performance mods.

The boost setting can be 0-9, with 5-7 meant for 93 octane and a stock turbo; higher settings can be made when you have an upgraded intake/intercooler, larger turbo and better exhaust. The timing setting for 93 octane is usually 3-6 depending on the quality of fuel in your area, or higher if you run 100 octane fuel. Finally, the fuel setting leans the mixture as you go from 0 to 9 with 9 being the leanest for performance. In Chicago, I run 7-5-5 on 93 octane, stock turbo. When it gets hot --- then I switch to 6-4-5 for best hot weather performance with lousy summer-blend gas.

Why not just notch all the settings to the max on a stock engine you might ask? Because the stock turbo, 91 or 93 octane, stock intercooler and stock exhaust cannot meet the demands being requested by the high settings. Subsequently, you'd get the onset of detonation whereby the ECM "pulls back" (over-corrects) boost, timing, fuel requests by the REVO software. That over-correction results in less power under those stock components than if you used the recommended REVO performance settings for stock.

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I would lean out fuel a bit there, 4 on fuel puts allot of pressure in the cam follower.

[Quattro]

Also to add to what bmeister stated, if you max out a setting 9-9-9, your car will learn to block out that setting, so for instance you run iunno 8-7-9 and your car pulls a lot of timing, over time your car will reject that program and say if you went big turbo your car might not want to give you 8-7-9 no more because it has been blocking it.

Our cars are very smart, from what I have been told!

[a4dc89]

I would lean out fuel a bit there, 4 on fuel puts allot of pressure in the cam follower.

HID what were you running when you blew up your fuel pump?

[Bmeister]

I would lean out fuel a bit there, 4 on fuel puts allot of pressure in the cam follower.

Please explain how? That is a mechanical unit that has a fixed pressure. No matter what the engine intake requires for fuel, it is simply pounding away to maintain 1600 psi.

When the engine is taking in more fuel due to a bigger turbo and chipped ECM, the volume needed cannot keep up (fuel cut outs). Leaning the Fuel setting (i.e. 7-9 range) a lot may help prevent fuel cuts, but it should have no effect on the mechanical pump running off the cam unless, somehow, the lack of a load due to the depleted pressurization causes some float in the pump accelerating wear. Is that what you meant?

[quickaudi07]

I had fuil cut out on my 2007 Audi A4 6 speed m/t q, i bought upgrade pump from www.kmdtuning.com
APR wants 1099.00$ for there upgrade pump, you could get the same resluts on the same upgrade from KMD. If anyone needs it get it from there. The car improved like crazy, no more cut out's, the car is running alot better, if noone has this upgrade done to there cars, i would recomend it, unreal preformance on STAGE 2 Revo chip:)

[94b16coupe]

What all is needed for the stage 2 software?

Some people say HFC/testpipe only, some people say full exhaust, can someone clearify?


Thanks,