Round 2 - Revo vs better flashed BAT TUNE

[Don Supreme]

This is for all the BAT B6s running bigger than elim turbos on your elim tunes, swapping injectors, mafs, and then making no power.

This is from a thread on vortex and REVO staff actually commented on it... THINK WHAT YOU WANT.

Since I have the car finally running the way that it should have all along, I figured I would post up the dyno sheets comparing the different software/files. Revo dyno was done 10/2007, and the other 2 Unitronic Dynos were completed last week back to back. All 3 were done on the same USP Motorsports dyno in similar temp conditions, and on 109 unleaded. Same setup as far as motor/turbo is concerned.

Dark blue 447 whp is the Revo file with Siemens 630CC. I ran this file until early this year. This is the most I could get out of it,(about 30PSI) and while it made a "peak" 447 whp the power drops down and back up so much, that the car was never the #'s it could have. Best 1/4 mile time was 12.3 @ 121. We tried a lot of different things but never got the spiking resolved on that file. The way the car drove in general left a lot to be desired, even with lots of time adjusting fuel settings.

Red is the UNI 630 file @ 3bar. I got this file back in April or so, and the car was definitely 100% better all around. Cold start, driveability, part throttle, and acceleration was much improved right away. I have dynoed a few times in the past few months on this file,(tried many different things such as fuel pumps, injectors, 4 bar FPR, knock control in the tune, boost controllers, plugs ect) but this 445whp from last week is the most I could get out of it with a smooth powerband. It really is only choppy in the mid range, but fine up top. If I try to make any more then this 445 though, it starts to spike again pretty bad.

Lighter color blue is the newest 830cc UNI file with 830cc's that I got from Mike Z. Left everything the exact same way on the dyno, just flashed the 830 File, and installed the injectors. Car started right up, let it idle a few minutes and made a pull. Without touching the boost controller, the car made a VERY smooth 455 whp. Turned the boost up just a little and made this 472 whp, which is once again very clean. Driveability on this file is just as impressive as with the 630 but the car just seems to spool, and run faster all around. Might dyno again in the next few weeks and see If can get a little more out of it with C16 and maybe some timing. Since the car is my daily, it is nice to finally be able to make the power and have great/smooth driveability at the same time.






Modified by 3071R-GLI at 9:30 PM 10-21-2008

Congrats on the new tune and numbers very solid power band :thumbup:


Just wanted to clarify a few things on this part of the post though for people reading:



Revo currently does not support 630cc injectors or the GT3071R for the 1.8t in any production software at the moment. This means that you were running incorrectly spec'd injectors and other hardware. I applaud you for attempting to make it work for a year just want to make sure it is understood that any issues seen were not necessarily the fault of the software had it been set up to spec.


As for the 3071R limits, we have done over 500whp on a 2.0t FSI on 93 octane with w/m, the OPs 472 is certainly possible with a 3071r :thumbup:

Considering the fuel setting is not adjustable on the 1.8T applications, that probably would explain why you saw no improvement there. As Chris indicated, the Revo file you had was outside the scope of your hardware choice. All things considered, a 25hp difference is certainly less than I would have expected.



I'm not sure what your implying here? The OP stated he had better overal performance with the Unitronic software over our software. We acknowledged that fact and clearly stated that the Revo software he was using was not compatible with his hardware. I suppose if the OP claimed he was able to cut a loaf of bread better with a knife than he could with a fork, you'd say something is wrong with the fork?

The choppiness of the dyno is obvious but its relevance is moot since the software isn't tuned for the hardware being used. The OP can post whatever dynos he wishes but the conclusions being drawn are skewed since the comparison is not equitable. Your Revo file was one of the early Stage-3 files correct? A lot has changed since then. I've heard great things about Eurodyne. Without a global dealer network to support and develop software for, Chris has the time to work more closely with individuals like yourself and offer a more bespoke product. Again, not exactly comparing apples to apples.

Do you not see his dyno how choppy it is... i run a tapp file that is designed for a different setup and it still performs great. I had revo on the other hand and its straight junk. It seems like you guys improved alot for the 2.0FSI guys but for the 1.8T you failed

But don't worry guys --- Your AFRS are still SPOT ON

[317ssayzarc]

Thank you for this Sean... B6 guys are retarted and dont get it, maybe this will help them figure out what MK4 and TT guys figured 3yrs ago......

[Don Supreme]

Thank you for this Sean... B6 guys are retarted and dont get it, maybe this will help them figure out what MK4 and TT guys figured 3yrs ago......

No problem... I just hope someone listens.

[F16HTON]

This is comparing apples to oranges, Donny (Sean) you are out of your element...you do not own a B6 and quite frankly are a troll here.

Post up the actual dyno results from any Unitronics tuned B6 A4 that is running an eliminator or larger...they just do not have the experience with the B6 chassis to trust them yet.

They may have the potential to tune these cars, but who else besides Daniel wants to have thier motor popped after a couple of weeks?

[Don Supreme]

This is comparing apples to oranges, Donny (Shawn) you are out of your element...you do not own a B6 and quite frankly are a troll here.

Post up the actual dyno results from any Unitronics tuned B6 A4 that is running an eliminator or larger...they just do not have the experience with the B6 chassis to trust them yet.

They may have the potential to tune these cars, but who else besides Daniel wants to have thier motor popped after a couple of weeks?

Daniel is not the only B6 running a unitronic tune.... (Popped a rod because the tune actually made power..... hmmmm)

For some reason you think your b6 is so special because it has a return less fuel system ---- whooptie fucking dooooo.....

Apples to Apples here bud.

P.S. Its Sean, not Shawn.

[AudiA4_20T]

lol Sean just let it go, unless a B6 does a comparison like this no one will care

[F16HTON]

Don knows dick...he will not be happy until ALL of the B6 tuned cars blow thier motors like him and Daniel...

[Don Supreme]

Don knows dick...he will not be happy until ALL of the B6 tuned cars blow thier motors like him and Daniel...

Last I checked half the b6 BAT cars 'blew' motors in the past 12 months....

I guess Shawn spun a rod bearing because of Revo, oh noooo don't talk about that do you? What about Condo

I hope you guys can think for yourself and not listen to this clown.

[F16HTON]

Sure thing...spinning a rod bearing that you installed yourself incorrectly is not blowing a motor.

My car runs...has run for 4 years solid with never an issue...

How is your car and Daniels car running? Bottom line is that Uni blew his motor, yes, rods out the side of the block.

[20vturbo]

actually i run the unitronic 630 file the car made 272whp on 14 psi just uploaded the file no timing added the reason for 14 psi is that I was still breaking in the motor...I have mike waiting with 830cc injectors for me to get tha car ready

[Killerteve]

^^ What turbo did you go with?

[Don Supreme]

Sure thing...spinning a rod bearing that you installed yourself incorrectly is not blowing a motor.

My car runs...has run for 4 years solid with never an issue...

How is your car and Daniels car running? Bottom line is that Uni blew his motor, yes, rods out the side of the block.

How is my car running??? Its fucking fast.......... Want to race? Realistically, you would probably never race me.

[F16HTON]

I'd be happy too...

What times did you put down at show and go?

[Don Supreme]

I'd be happy too...

Are you going to drive or are you going to have Mike Hood drive it for you?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Good lord girls calm down

This is like an old episode of Jeff Lee meets David Sarabi.

Maybe I will drive down to Central Florida Turbo where I have dynoed in the past and see what I can do with the current setup.

[F16HTON]

I'll use one gear and beat you by 6 seconds

Apples to Oranges again...

Feel free to find a B6 if you would like.

[Don Supreme]

I'll use one gear and beat you by 6 seconds

ok then....

[djwimbo]

Bottom line is that Uni blew his motor, yes, rods out the side of the block.

Lack of a proper build is not the tuner's fault. Or is it Garrett's fault for making larger turbos? Maybe it's Spearco's fault.

I'm sorry you're not satisfied with the result, REVO would have destroyed his rods as well, IF they could make enough power.

[A4ringedONE8T]

How does software spin a rod bearing? lol

And I actually feel better after reading that running REVO with my setup than before

447whp, 445whp, 455whp ... wow those are HUGE differences for the same settings on different and more specific tunes. The F'in weather outside makes more change in power level than those tunes do

Thanks for posting this, Im glad Im not losing out on a bunch of power running the REVO!!!!

[Don Supreme]

How does software spin a rod bearing? lol

And I actually feel better after reading that running REVO with my setup than before

447whp, 445whp, 455whp ... wow those are HUGE differences for the same settings on different and more specific tunes. The F'in weather outside makes more change in power level than those tunes do

Thanks for posting this, Im glad Im not losing out on a bunch of power running the REVO!!!!

Shawn seriously, did you really just say that? Look @ the power under the curve from the revo software going up and down like a roller coaster. You think thats not going to make a big difference in a race???? The revo dyno is just a spike after spike after spike.

Also, how come you ignored the 472 WHP ???


P.S. I was being sarcastic about your rod bearing. Obviously, Revo software had nothing to do with that.

[20vturbo]

^^ What turbo did you go with?

gt3040

[A4ringedONE8T]

Shawn seriously, did you really just say that? Look @ the power under the curve from the revo software going up and down like a roller coaster. You think thats not going to make a big difference in a race???? The revo dyno is just a spike after spike after spike.

Also, how come you ignored the 472 WHP ???


P.S. I was being sarcastic about your rod bearing. Obviously, Revo software had nothing to do with that.

Thats called curve smoothing OFF. Thats a 40-50hp/tq fluctuation, dont you think you would feel that? lol My car sures the hell doesnt do that

[Condo]

Lack of a proper build is not the tuner's fault. Or is it Garrett's fault for making larger turbos? Maybe it's Spearco's fault.

I'm sorry you're not satisfied with the result, REVO would have destroyed his rods as well, IF they could make enough power.

It's the tuner's fault for not taking taking the strength of the engine into account. REVO does what it was is supposed to do - provide a safe tune for eliminator turbos on a stock 1.8t.

[Don Supreme]

Thats called curve smoothing OFF. Thats a 40-50hp/tq fluctuation, dont you think you would feel that? lol My car sures the hell doesnt do that

Not smoothing.. I guess you didn't read where guy compared the smoothness of the other tune to the revo tune... Even Revo admits the tune is not up to par.

He also has a track best of 12.3 @ 121 with the revo tune and he is running mid to low 11s with the current tune... You don't think that is a worth while difference?

Edit: 11.4 @ 128 to be exact.

[djwimbo]

Thats called curve smoothing OFF. Thats a 40-50hp/tq fluctuation, dont you think you would feel that? lol My car sures the hell doesnt do that

read the graph, smoothing is set at 3.

Either way, same turbo, same injector size, same car, REVO w/ the choppy curve, Uni with a nice smooth curve.

Uni FTW.

Obviously the 830 file works better with his setup, and is a lot more steady. The graph speaks for itself.

[F16HTON]

Lack of a proper build is not the tuner's fault. Or is it Garrett's fault for making larger turbos? Maybe it's Spearco's fault.

I'm sorry you're not satisfied with the result, REVO would have destroyed his rods as well, IF they could make enough power.

Bottom line is that over 4 years, none of you guys have been able to step up and outperform my simple little "off the shelf" REVO car...

Nobody period...

Plenty of excuses but in the end...no results. One motor, one basic file and shitty green top 440cc injectors...

Put up or shut up...you have had four friggen years on Saturday and you are all failing...

[A4ringedONE8T]

And here's my dyno with the GTRS hardware (the 297whp) exactly as the software was written and my 3071R on 16psi surely not with the hardware the software was written for. Those curves look COMPLETELY different

[317ssayzarc]

Thats called curve smoothing OFF. Thats a 40-50hp/tq fluctuation, dont you think you would feel that? lol My car sures the hell doesnt do that

That is NOT smoothing off Shawn... Even with smoothing on 0, my Golf and many other forced induction cars that I dyno'd layed down MAX spikes of 10hp/tq... The 1300rwhp mustang had maybe a 15hp spike, but thats tops

[20vturbo]

when the revo file was made the bt reference was gt28rs right???I made apr stg3+ power running 14psi, I find that good news..Also not to mention that there are far better injectors now than the ones when the revo file was made on..So unless revo comes out with a new file made specific for gt30 and up turbos unitronic is the shit

[A4ringedONE8T]

read the graph, smoothing is set at 3.

Either way, same turbo, same injector size, same car, REVO w/ the choppy curve, Uni with a nice smooth curve.

Uni FTW.

Obviously the 830 file works better with his setup, and is a lot more steady. The graph speaks for itself.

Good for them, I guess you should get yourself some Uni

[317ssayzarc]

Bottom line is that over 4 years, none of you guys have been able to step up and outperform my simple little "off the shelf" REVO car...

Nobody period...

Plenty of excuses but in the end...no results. One motor, one basic file and shitty green top 440cc injectors...

Put up or shut up...you have had four friggen years on Saturday and you are all failing...

Ill see if 034 will get me a sheet of the baseruns for my fathers car on Uni before they start tweaking

[317ssayzarc]

Good for them, I guess you should get yourself some Uni

Is Shawn admitting defeat?

[F16HTON]

read the graph, smoothing is set at 3.

Either way, same turbo, same injector size, same car, REVO w/ the choppy curve, Uni with a nice smooth curve.

Uni FTW.

Obviously the 830 file works better with his setup, and is a lot more steady. The graph speaks for itself.

The 830cc file does seem to work great on that car...I would hope it would since REVO quit tuning the MKIV two years ago. I applaud UNI for working on dead technology but that is not really REVO, GIAC or APR's business model, they all believe in progression, not regression, their goal is to provide files for the most current models out there, focus these days is the TFSI, with a couple of FSI project of Chris'.

That particular GTI was running REVO software that was not designed for the 630cc injector, much like the B6 guys are running now, you can make more power, sure, but it is not the power that the file was written to do.

[Don Supreme]

And he defends REVO for leaving us to rot..... God.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Is Shawn admitting defeat?

Fuck no, Ill keep my REVO. If he or anyone else thinks its so great than knock yourself out. IMO I see nothing from that info that would make me want another off the shelf tune. No way in hell was that car having a 40-50hp/tq flucuation like that, that car would be completely undriveable.

But as I said, Im glad that was posted, it makes me question my REVO LESS and makes me feel better than Im not losing a bunch of power because of it. Or wait, should I get that Uni 630 file a lose a few HP?

[317ssayzarc]

The 830cc file does seem to work great on that car...I would hope it would since REVO quit tuning the MKIV two years ago. I applaud UNI for working on dead technology but that is not really REVO, GIAC or APR's business model, they all believe in progression, not regression, their goal is to provide files for the most current models out there, focus these days is the TFSI, with a couple of FSI project of Chris'.

That particular GTI was running REVO software that was not designed for the 630cc injector, much like the B6 guys are running now, you can make more power, sure, but it is not the power that the file was written to do.

When they dont have a problem taking 800+ bucks for a tune, they shouldnt have a problem tweaking old platforms as far as I'm concerned... And didnt REVO come out with the supposedly BAT 8500 file after the 2.0T was out?

[F16HTON]

Ill see if 034 will get me a sheet of the baseruns for my fathers car on Uni before they start tweaking

You fathers car is nowhere even close to running, I dropped the head off at 034 today.

Maybe it will make power, maybe it will not...

Four years is pretty embarrassing for you guys. Jeff Lee personally has told me that he makes 389WHP on pump with his B6, but he does hold his cards to his chest.

I would have to believe him though as he has never had any real reason not to be forthright.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Thats called curve smoothing OFF. Thats a 40-50hp/tq fluctuation, dont you think you would feel that? lol My car sures the hell doesnt do that

Mine either.

[317ssayzarc]

IMO I see nothing from that info that would make me want another off the shelf tune.

Agreed! Ill leave it at that, didnt mean to bump you the wrong way

[Don Supreme]

As I have said before, I am not trying to say buy X brand tune. I just want to show you that a tune is more important than you give it credit for.