Most reliable full kit turbo?

[cculos]

Hey guys I have a bit of a question for you - I have read on a thread somewhere around here that if you wanted reliability in a BT kit, go with an elim setup. I wanted to know if this rang true or not. I'm going to be in the market for piecing together a BT setup in the near future, and I'm considering either a gt28r or a gt28rs. According to 034 they're the most efficient reliable turbos in their class.

I want to be somewhere around 260whp when all is said and done, with a quick spool time. Should I go with the full kit (Full turbo, new manifold, HFC, etc?) or should I go with an elim setup? My ultimate goal is to throw in new injectors, FMIC, intake and turbo plumbing, shut the hood, and change nothing but the oil from then on out. If i could find something stock reliable with a lot more power, that would be fantastic!

Thanks for the advice ahead of time - I don't want to fuck this up. I only want to do it once :). If it helps the car is a '98 AEB 1.8tqm. The timing belt was done before I bought the car at 95k miles, car has 103 on it now.

[prey]

Hey guys I have a bit of a question for you - I have read on a thread somewhere around here that if you wanted reliability in a BT kit, go with an elim setup. I wanted to know if this rang true or not. I'm going to be in the market for piecing together a BT setup in the near future, and I'm considering either a gt28r or a gt28rs. According to 034 they're the most efficient reliable turbos in their class.

I want to be somewhere around 260whp when all is said and done, with a quick spool time. Should I go with the full kit (Full turbo, new manifold, HFC, etc?) or should I go with an elim setup? My ultimate goal is to throw in new injectors, FMIC, intake and turbo plumbing, shut the hood, and change nothing but the oil from then on out. If i could find something stock reliable with a lot more power, that would be fantastic!

Thanks for the advice ahead of time - I don't want to fuck this up. I only want to do it once :). If it helps the car is a '98 AEB 1.8tqm. The timing belt was done before I bought the car at 95k miles, car has 103 on it now.

Most reliable BT setup is APR's Stage III, atleast thats what i have heard, but if u want to go custom and save some money and be reliable as possible on stock stuff, then go GTRS eliminator, u can do the whole setup brand new for under 2500 bucks.. go on ATP website and check their prices, also Supreme power parts have very good prices.

[mike-2ptzero]

The elim kit is the way to go if price and looking stock is very important.

[AudiRacerS4]

go with APR stg3 if you want reliable

[lowandslow4now]

I think reliability is not only the turbo kit but also in the how it is taken care of. with that said I would go eliminator if you dont want to expand it in the future. But if you want more power and the ability to expand I would go with the full kit.

[killa]

Hey guys I have a bit of a question for you - I have read on a thread somewhere around here that if you wanted reliability in a BT kit, go with an elim setup. I wanted to know if this rang true or not. I'm going to be in the market for piecing together a BT setup in the near future, and I'm considering either a gt28r or a gt28rs. According to 034 they're the most efficient reliable turbos in their class.

I want to be somewhere around 260whp when all is said and done, with a quick spool time. Should I go with the full kit (Full turbo, new manifold, HFC, etc?) or should I go with an elim setup? My ultimate goal is to throw in new injectors, FMIC, intake and turbo plumbing, shut the hood, and change nothing but the oil from then on out. If i could find something stock reliable with a lot more power, that would be fantastic!

Thanks for the advice ahead of time - I don't want to fuck this up. I only want to do it once :). If it helps the car is a '98 AEB 1.8tqm. The timing belt was done before I bought the car at 95k miles, car has 103 on it now.

Im in Elizabeth, feel free to drop in and I'll take you for a ride in my A4

[cculos]

I love APRs stage 3 kit but christ in hell is it expensive, I mean, is an inconel manifold really necessary? What turbocharger do they use for that kit? I'm sure I could piece together a kit using that exact turbo and everything for a hell of a lot cheaper. I only paid $5000 for the car, so I dont know if I can justify paying $4500 for the kit, too...

[audi til I die]

Stage III+ is a lot better. Even more so if have at least rods and they'll give you the race file. That's the kit I'd get if I had the dough. They use the 28rs btw.

[Rosati]

Reliable BT setup? in what way? Ease of use?

what?

Why are you guys recommending eliminators when you know that you still need to log them?

yeah , elims are reliable if you dont want to blow your engine, thats about it.

But for his HP goals, Yes, an elim. is the simplest way to go.

But why stop at 260 when you can get 300+ safely out of a setup like mine or the 28R even?

its a bit more, but worth it.

[mike-2ptzero]

The R will not make 260whp on pump gas.

[cculos]

I am glad to know that apr uses the 28rs. I think I'll get the 28rs and piece together my own kit. Apr charges roughly 700 for the stg 3 tune by itself so I think I'll go with that. Just have to sell my giac stg 1 tuned ecu. What manifold would you guys reccomend?

[prey]

I am glad to know that apr uses the 28rs. I think I'll get the 28rs and piece together my own kit. Apr charges roughly 700 for the stg 3 tune by itself so I think I'll go with that. Just have to sell my giac stg 1 tuned ecu. What manifold would you guys reccomend?

ATP

[cculos]

That's exactly what I thought

[Russell2686]

Your in NJ just go to Auto Speed Performance in cherry hill and get their kit with software and be done with it. Thats what i did...almost 5k miles now and im super happy.

[biketsai]

Ive actually heard from a few people that the APR kit had a few problems, etc.

[fernando]

The R will not make 260whp on pump gas.

sorry don't mean to thread jack, but Mike what do you think that i will put down to the wheels with my Gt2871r....i am on stock internals, so wont be running crazy boost.

[mike-2ptzero]

Even on 18-20psi and pump gas tune you should be making 260whp.

[01_A4_Black]

I just put down 247whp on 20psi at altitude (~70 degrees) on stock internals. And that was with my dv disconnnected (it blew off on the way). Running again this weekend on a differnt dyno.

[AudiRacerS4]

I just put down 247whp on 20psi at altitude (~70 degrees) on stock internals. And that was with my dv disconnnected (it blew off on the way). Running again this weekend on a differnt dyno.

thats horrible what is your elevation

[Tifun]

I will say one thing. I haven't had a single issue with my APR stg3. I've heard the Tapp option is a decent one if one was to want to get even more power using the APR mani.

[VTAudiA4]

K04 kits are the hottest thing around. Im selling mine at thousands less than what a full BT kit would cost. PM me for further detail.

[mike-2ptzero]

thats horrible what is your elevation

5000 ft and it was on a Dyno Dynamic, he stated that a stock STI put down 210 whp on that low reading dyno which means they were using a SAE correction for all the cars.

His thread

[cculos]

to avoid a complete thread hijacking... If I go with a gt28rs setup with the atp manifold exhaust intake fmic and injectors how much should I expect to spend?

[bassed]

Don't forget the PES kit, that's equally reliable in comparison to the APR for off the shelf.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Don't forget the PES kit, that's equally reliable in comparison to the APR for off the shelf.

Not with the garbage software they provided with the kit.

[Tifun]

Not with the garbage software they provided with the kit.

Who does the the tune for PES?

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

GIAC

[bassed]

Not with the garbage software they provided with the kit.

Many people with over 100k on those kits despite the fact that it was a reliable tune, not a powerful one

[cculos]

Thread from the dead! I'm ready to order a gt28rs - but there are so many options! I dont want an eliminator housing, but what kind of flange/housing/whatever should i go with? please let me know as i'm excited as hell to get this started :)

[Wizard-of-OD]

Many people with over 100k on those kits despite the fact that it was a reliable tune, not a powerful one

Most people who chip there cars never even run logs so they do not even know what reliable is.I cant speak for Revo in the UK (which I hear nothing but good things about) but I can speak for Revo in the US.The software is garbage....

Thread from the dead! I'm ready to order a gt28rs - but there are so many options! I dont want an eliminator housing, but what kind of flange/housing/whatever should i go with? please let me know as i'm excited as hell to get this started :)

What is your budget and power goal?

[Poopie]

you turbo set up will be as reliable as the weakest link and the people building it

[njm23]

^very true. -off topic- cculos You live in the same town as me... You should come out to a meet sometime when we have one.

[317ssayzarc]

Go with a T3 flanged 28rs, so you can upgrade to whatever you want later

[mike-2ptzero]

Go with a T3 flanged 28rs, so you can upgrade to whatever you want later

well as long as that whatever has a T3 flange.

[317ssayzarc]

well as long as that whatever has a T3 flange.

I dont see anyone but a handful of us B5 guys going T4 in the next year... MK4 guys sure, but no B5's... I think he will be ok with T3 options

[fred2ka4]

I have had my Stage III APR kit on the car for over 3+ years and the car feels as good now as it did the week it was installed and this is my daily driver. I have had no problems and the customer support I have received from APR as well has been great.

That's one thing that a lot of people fail to mention when they speak of reliability. If and when something should go wrong, is the company going to be there to support your needs to get you up and running again ASAP. I have had only two issues with my APR setup and they were resolved quickly.

1) My APR high flow cat flange broke the welds on the exhaust side (there were other factors involved) but APR sent me a new one.

2) When I needed to smog my car and I kept getting a rear 02 sensor high flow reading, so I called APR and they sent me a new re calibrated file that eliminated the problem and I was able to pass smog.

[mike-2ptzero]

I dont see anyone but a handful of us B5 guys going T4 in the next year... MK4 guys sure, but no B5's... I think he will be ok with T3 options

Oh I know. But you have to look at how it has been with the B5's, a very few go larger and then a few years later more people end up doing it. Plenty of B5 A4's run 30's and 35r while there were maybe a hand full running those turbos just a few years ago.

[317ssayzarc]

APR sucked when my cat broke free of the housing and they wouldn't replace it... So I just took a bandsaw and cut out the cat, and noticed my flanges were cracked just like yours were Fred, so I welded them up... Boo APR imo

[sean1.8t]

ATP

weren't you just bitching and moaning about that ATP manifold on Rosati's old car like a week ago?

sorry dude, you have no opinion..

and i would NOT go with ATP(have one on my car BTW). i would go treadstone or SPA WAAAAAY before ATP...

and if money isn't an issue, Full-Race with out a doubt

[Beemer832]

i havent read all of these posts yet, but i am running a gt28r with the APR stage 3 kit. Exteremly solid setup. absolutely no issues whatso-ever with the kit. car runs great. awesome low end power, decent top end power. been to the track a couple of times and beat on with full boost, 24psi, with track temps over 120f car still ran great.

im sure there are other good kits out there jsut my experience
-josh