My possible Big Brake Kit options

[Audi Juice]

Let me start by saying that I'm itching for a BBK badly! I have done hours of searching in the archives and I have seen a lot of conflicting opinions about many of the brake kits available for our cars.

Here are my options:

1. Porsche Cayenne calipers and ECS Rotors..NOTE---I have 2 sets of Cayenne calipers that I acquired from a friend who is a Porsche tech, so I would only need rotors. Still not sure if I want to run them or bump up to a higher grade kit. 6 piston


2. Stoptech- Seem reasonably priced, but have heard some negative things overall. 4 piston



3. Stasis/Alcon- Very sweet, but a tiny bit outside of price range. 4 piston


4. Brembo-Also slightly over budget, but do-able. 4 piston


5. RS4 Oem set up- Cons...Possible master cylinder incompatibility. Wheel offset problems as well. 8 piston


What do you guys run, or what would you recommend for the B7 that isnt tracked, but very aggressively driven on the street? I average 16-17mpg.

Finally, budget is $2500 out the door. Oh, and what color should the calipers be for my Ibis? Im thinking silver or black

[ginkof]

i would skip ECS. ive heard bad things about their rotors. If you have Cayanne calipers then i say find a porsche or other OEM easily accessible rotor that will work and find a machine shop to make you the correct bracket. With any of the pre made kits, they are all going to be awesome. I love stoptechs

[Audi Juice]

^^No brackets necessary. They bolt directly on B6/B7, which makes it even more tempting. Hmmm

[Jersey90TQ]

^^No brackets necessary. They bolt directly on B6/B7, which makes it even more tempting. Hmmm

if they bolt directly up then i would go buy some rotors and put them on. you are halfway there why go out and spend money on another kit? and if for some reason you dont like it then sell it and get one of the other kits

[10MPG]

scoop up 1sicknickel's old setup 6 pot brembo setup. u can still have some change for install

[Goped220]

Stoptech all the way.

[Sharkfin]

I vote Stasis Alcon but those things are expensive.

[yettavr6]

What size rotors do you use with the porsche calipers? standard B7, s4, ??

[Doctor]

I had these options as well...

I went with those...





D2 Racing, 8pot, 330 mm .
Very very satisfied with those...

[grauler02]

I'd PM 1sicknickel. Could get his for under budget

[Kuang87]

How aggressive are you driving on the streets? I went with Alcons and also did the rear upgrade and even though it was a bit expensive, I think it was well worth it because I can stop on a dime and they look awesome too.

[D.C. Designs]

STASIS

[UFfitz56]

Have you considered these? Great kit for your budget including install.http://goapr.com/Audi/products/brake...tml#Stage%20II

[A4Ferrari]

i love my stasis alcons

[praudi]

buy sicknickel's bbk

[Quattro]

alcon FTW!

casey why you need a bbk though? planning on tracking or racing?

[swoardrider]

alcon FTW!

casey why you need a bbk though? planning on tracking or racing?

Exactly! I would never of spent $4k on my Alcons if I didn't track them once a month. Because you don't track your car at all, it doesn't make sense to even spend $2k on a BBK.
Save the money for a BT kit or something.
Since you already have the most expensive part of a BBK, (your Porsche calipers) then grab some rotors that fit and be done with it.
Your goal seems to be to look better and stop better than stock. Your Porsche set up will accomplish this goal in the most economical way.

[Sharkfin]

Exactly! I would never of spent $4k on my Alcons if I didn't track them once a month. Because you don't track your car at all, it doesn't make sense to even spend $2k on a BBK.
Save the money for a BT kit or something.
Since you already have the most expensive part of a BBK, (your Porsche calipers) then grab some rotors that fit and be done with it.
Your goal seems to be to look better and stop better than stock. Your Porsche set up will accomplish this goal in the most economical way.

AGREED!

[jba]

Do the ECS kit. If it doesn't work for you, i can heartily recommend a stasis/alcon bbk.

[Bauer]

responded to you on the B5 thread....

Alcon FTW.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=233703&page=8

[johnnybravo!]

Exactly! I would never of spent $4k on my Alcons if I didn't track them once a month. Because you don't track your car at all, it doesn't make sense to even spend $2k on a BBK.
Save the money for a BT kit or something.
Since you already have the most expensive part of a BBK, (your Porsche calipers) then grab some rotors that fit and be done with it.
Your goal seems to be to look better and stop better than stock. Your Porsche set up will accomplish this goal in the most economical way.

Ya what he said..but..if u desire a bbk the Stoptech 332mm/355mm 4-piston/black calipers is a proven setup...believe me u wont exceed the capabilty of the ST's..to spend more $$ on 6-piston is overkill..but sure looks pimp

[Audi Juice]

scoop up 1sicknickel's old setup 6 pot brembo setup. u can still have some change for install

Ive already talked to him, but his post was just a feeler. He isnt ready to sell yet.

What size rotors do you use with the porsche calipers? standard B7, s4, ??

Most kits have 352x32mm rotors for these calipers.

alcon FTW!

casey why you need a bbk though? planning on tracking or racing?

I can push these brakes to the limit now just driving on the street. Just thought it would be safer and more fun, plus look cool. The most important reason is to reduce unsprung weight though. Even though the bbk is bigger you will be shedding pounds off each corner, and that will translate into noticable differences in acceleration/handling.

[NYSpeedRacer]

So you guys are telling me that my 911 Calipers would bolt directly onto my B7 without brackets? If so I"m doing this tomorrow! Do I need bigger rotors or keep the stock ones?

[Audi Juice]

So you guys are telling me that my 911 Calipers would bolt directly onto my B7 without brackets? If so I"m doing this tomorrow! Do I need bigger rotors or keep the stock ones?

No, just the Cayenne calipers bolt directly up. The 911 calipers(993 ones at least) need a custom bracket in order to mount. I also have a set of yellow 996 calipers that were part of the PCCB carbon ceramic kit. I dont want to have to worry about finding brackets though. The Cayenne way seems easier for me.

Yes, you need bigger rotors. Looks like the only two options are the ECS rotors, or getting a set of oem porsche rotors redrilled. Also, one of the Porsche techs I know said they pulled this conversion off with RS4 rotors. Im going to look into that a bit further

[supamannn99]

just save your money and go with the porsche calipers. can't go wrong. they're basically brembos

[Maverik869]

Whats the part # for the Cayenne brake calipers? how much do they usually run?

I was thinking of doing S4 upgrade on my B7 A4 S-line but if Porsche caliper is a direct bolt on and accepts bigger rotor I might go that route instead. Anyone know the price difference?

[Jason@PenskeAudi]

STaSIS.

[mtxsho93]

Contact Todd Cook at http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com

Ian

[JBM]

Funny nobody has said Rotora-355MM 6 Piston come in special colors such as Gold, DK Blue, Chrome, etc etc.

I can meet that budget of yours btw.

[Maverik869]

Contact Todd Cook at http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com

Ian

I had Wilwoods on my VW mk3 Golf 2.0t and they were good but after about 2000 miles they started to make noise.. it was very annoying and many other people with that setup said the same thing. Also they need to be rebuilt frequently.

For Race purpose, they cannot be beat as pads are easy to swap out when you get to the track!

[mtxsho93]

I had Wilwoods on my VW mk3 Golf 2.0t and they were good but after about 2000 miles they started to make noise.. it was very annoying and many other people with that setup said the same thing. Also they need to be rebuilt frequently.

For Race purpose, they cannot be beat as pads are easy to swap out when you get to the track!

Which calipers were you using? I had the Billet Superlites which flexed and creaked and were generally a very poor design. I've been running the forged Superlites for a few years now without a single issue (knock on wood).

Replacement costs, pad choices and availability can't be beat with the wilwoods. IMO, their better calipers are just as good as brembo/AP/StopTech for a fraction of the cost.

Ian

[Maverik869]

Which calipers were you using? I had the Billet Superlites which flexed and creaked and were generally a very poor design. I've been running the forged Superlites for a few years now without a single issue (knock on wood).

http://www.momentummotorparts.com/store/braking.asp

[tdavit]

im pretty sure that the only way that the calipers mount up without a bracket is if you are using stock size rotors. because the bracket is to move the caliper further from the center point (axle center) and correct the offset if needed.

[mtxsho93]

http://www.momentummotorparts.com/store/braking.asp

Oh ok, those are the Dynalite's. I'm not a big fan of those for anything that's driven on the street. From Wilwood's site: "The time proven Dynalite caliper design is stronger and lighter than ever - ideal for Late Models, Modifieds, Sprints, Road Racers and Dragsters."

The Superlite series and better are much more suitable for heavier street cars.

Ian

[Bauer]

Which calipers were you using? I had the Billet Superlites which flexed and creaked and were generally a very poor design. I've been running the forged Superlites for a few years now without a single issue (knock on wood).

Replacement costs, pad choices and availability can't be beat with the wilwoods. IMO, their better calipers are just as good as brembo/AP/StopTech for a fraction of the cost.

Ian

Wilwood is nowhere near the quality of Brembo or AP.

How I would rank

Alcon
Brembo (depending on level - their race stuff is great but like 8k)
AP
Movit
StopTech
Wilwood

Brembo and Alcon are very close....it just depends on which Brembo you are going with as there are many different levels. The OEM stuff is just OK, IMO. Alcon, Brembo and AP race stuff is very good but super spendy.

[JBM]

What I'm getting once the market bounces back. 355MM, 2 Piece H2 Pad so ST60 config selection. 6 pistons and I'm getting it for $2525 ;) Oh you can get it in Blue,Red,Green,Chrome,Yellow,Gold,Gunmental..and black.

[BremboGuy]

Here are my options:

1. Porsche Cayenne calipers and ECS Rotors..NOTE---I have 2 sets of Cayenne calipers that I acquired from a friend who is a Porsche tech, so I would only need rotors. Still not sure if I want to run them or bump up to a higher grade kit. 6 piston


2. Stoptech- Seem reasonably priced, but have heard some negative things overall. 4 piston



3. Stasis/Alcon- Very sweet, but a tiny bit outside of price range. 4 piston


4. Brembo-Also slightly over budget, but do-able. 4 piston


5. RS4 Oem set up- Cons...Possible master cylinder incompatibility. Wheel offset problems as well. 8 piston

[SIZE="5"]What do you guys run, or what would you recommend for the B7 that isnt tracked, but very aggressively driven on the street? I average 16-17mpg.

Have you taken a look at this particular Brembo option?


***May not be an exact example for your vehicle.

320x32mm 4-piston Brembo Gran Turismo system

Retails for $1995.
Red - Black -or- Silver ... Cross-Drilled -or- Slotted

Comes complete with Brembo 4-piston calipers, 1pc. oversized cross drilled OR slotted rotors, street performance /or/ race pads, stainless steel braided lines, and all necessary mounting hardware.

Engineer with attention to proper piston area and disc diameters to maintain optimum brake bias and compatibility with factory master cylinder, ABS and traction control systems.

The intention was to provide a cost effective solution, engineered and manufactured by Brembo, as an alternative to systems of lesser quality that may or may not be ideally suited for your application.


With a budget of $2500, you are not very far off of a Grand Turismo brake kit with 2pc. fully floating discs.



Retails $3195
Red - Black -or- Silver ... Cross-Drilled -or- Slotted

There are plenty of Authorized Brembo dealers who sponsor/advertise on this site than can help you out with sales and technical support as well as pricing.

[Q-Ball]

[IMG][/IMG]

Go this way. You won't be disappointed.

[mtxsho93]

Wilwood is nowhere near the quality of Brembo or AP.

How I would rank

Alcon
Brembo (depending on level - their race stuff is great but like 8k)
AP
Movit
StopTech
Wilwood

Brembo and Alcon are very close....it just depends on which Brembo you are going with as there are many different levels. The OEM stuff is just OK, IMO. Alcon, Brembo and AP race stuff is very good but super spendy.

I was referring more to function vs. cost. That said, Wilwoods or Brembos will still stop the car and can be spec'ed out very similarly. The other brands are high quality but I've never had an issue with my Wilwood forged superlites.

Ian

[vwong]

What I'm getting once the market bounces back. 355MM, 2 Piece H2 Pad so ST60 config selection. 6 pistons and I'm getting it for $2525 ;) Oh you can get it in Blue,Red,Green,Chrome,Yellow,Gold,Gunmental..and black.

Don't waste your money on those. Their quality is nowhere near the quality of the Brembo, Alcon, AP, etc. They are not engineered properly, and not test-proven. There is a reason for the low MSRP.