I hate software

[CO AVANT]

So if you can follow me here......I either fvcking hate vag-com, my revo software, or ME7. So this is the shit I've been dealing with.... I go log at T7 and pull some cf's in a 2nd-5th gear pull. So I lower to T6 and relog. I pull even higher cf's and lower btdc's. EGT and lambda #'s are the same for both pulls. So then I think to myself, damn this has happened before.... so I turn the timing down to T0. Give it a single pull, then shut off and raise to T9. I log at T9 and pull zero cf's and my btdc's are up to 13's from the 7-9's which they were with lower timing advance. This is NOT the first time this has happened to me. I can count about 5 times now where I've zero'd out timing and re-timed to max T9 on sps, and every time I pull harder with lower cf #'s and higher btdc #'s then with the previous lower T6 setting I was running just minutes prior (same ambient conditions). Over time it gets to the point where I have to lower timing again and do this whole process over. WTF is the deal? It's like I have to have the ecu re-think the programming timing every now and then. My plugs look like I'm running way too rich on T6/T7 but yet it will pull timing over time until I zero out and redo the timing with sps3. I swear I'm the only one to have ever delt with this shit. So damn annoying...

[traf818]

I hate software too! Goodluck with your issues. I think mine should be resolved this week since Revo finally made the 550CC w/ 8500 RPM file for my ECU code after a long wait.

[dougyfresh]

are you giving it time to adapt?

with all the logging we do, we really need ECUx. VAG-COM sucks moose cock for logging purposes

[Don Supreme]

Get a real wideband and egt setup, look @ the BTDC, and maybe knock - besides that CF reading will probably drive you crazy.

[Silence]

Do you clear codes after you change the timing?

[maclem8223]

This could be a dumb resonse but just the opposite of giving it time to adapt; could the ecu somehow be resetting itself...

[CO AVANT]

Do you clear codes after you change the timing?

Yes, every time. I pull codes constantly for upper limit exceeded MAF ( i use VR6 housing with 1.8T sensor on revo 550cc/8500rpm file). I am not running VVT so I get no signal communication for that solenoid.

I swear I'm gonna have to go back to the good old looking at the color of the plugs and feeling/hearing for knock.

I'm seriously thinking about going with ecux. I do give it time to adapt, it's like the complete opposite of adapting. It's like de-adapting over time. I can feel it pull back and retard timing up top at WOT on T6, but then I re-time to T0 then back to T9 and I instantly don't feel that hesitation at WOT like I did before and even pull less Cf's and higher BTDC's. Something just doesn't add up. Maybe my engine just doesn't like this software... I really do need to get a real egt and wideband setup cause why would lambda #'s always look the same be it if I'm at T4 or T9? I can run rich as shit on T6 and pull cf's and then cf/plugs look perfect on T9 after I do the whole re-timing to T0 then to T9 again. I even have new knock sensors in...

[Silence]

Well. clearing codes definitely causes the ecu to relearn, you over time is will start to pull back timing. Your codes you throw also could cause the ecu to run much safer, as they are more pertinent to engine performance. I dunno though, just some ideas. It could just be your car hates you...

[CO AVANT]

Well. clearing codes definitely causes the ecu to relearn, you over time is will start to pull back timing. Your codes you throw also could cause the ecu to run much safer, as they are more pertinent to engine performance. I dunno though, just some ideas. It could just be your car hates you...

Same thing was happening with VVT solenoid plugged in and MAF unplugged (after giving it time to adapt). I think my car just hates me...

[dougyfresh]

Well. clearing codes definitely causes the ecu to relearn, you over time is will start to pull back timing. Your codes you throw also could cause the ecu to run much safer, as they are more pertinent to engine performance. I dunno though, just some ideas. It could just be your car hates you...

that is plausible, because when you clear codes in the engine controller the long term fuel trims (block 032?) clear too.

[CO AVANT]

well it pulled a lot harder when I unplugged the maf and got on it right away without much time to adapt. Same thing when I went out to sea level. Much better with the maf unplugged, but I mean better all the time even after adapting. Car ran like shit with the maf plugged in at sea level when I was on 91oct for some reason. I was able to go up to +1.5 lemmi from the T6 I was running earlier today and pull the same cf's as when running T6. It's got to be the clearing of the codes and resetting parameters or the maf setup correlation with the software itself. Is it possible for the maf alone to cause the ecu to pull back timing?... Considering I always pull upper limit exceeded codes with it plugged in... Guess it's just one of those things I need to always keep an eye on. I know just by feel if my car is pulling timing at this point...

[dougyfresh]

Have you checked to see if the MAP sensor is working properly? I thought the REVO software runs off the MAP if the MAF is unplugged.

[A4ringedONE8T]

FWIW with my BS breaking up issue on high boost recently I think I've narrowed it down to the MAP sensor. I honestly think I have tried a different one of every sensor on the car except the MAP. Going to try that on Monday

If you cant figure out your issues I would HIGHLY recommend going back to the GTRS 430 file and see where that gets you!!!

[CO AVANT]

I had tons of problems with the MAP sensor last year. Had a wire break on me inside its own wire coating, hard shit to diagnose for sure. Had to check volt/ohm readings on all kinds of stuff. It really fvcked up my boost. I have no boost issues now. Have a new sensor less than 2 years old as well.

can you get the 430 file with an 8500rpm rev limiter?

[dirtybrd]

FWIW with my BS breaking up issue on high boost recently I think I've narrowed it down to the MAP sensor. I honestly think I have tried a different one of every sensor on the car except the MAP. Going to try that on Monday

If you cant figure out your issues I would HIGHLY recommend going back to the GTRS 430 file and see where that gets you!!!

Is this where it's at? Maybe I/we should have Revo create a 430cc 8500rpm file?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Is this where it's at? Maybe I/we should have Revo create a 430cc 8500rpm file?

I ran the 430 file forever on the 3071R on high boost without a problem, had endless bs and boost limit on the 550 file. Reflashed the 430 file and instantly was able to go back up to 27psi for about 3-4 weeks until something spazzed out now and is making the car break up on high boost. Gotta be the MAP sensor, if not I have no clue, give up, and will drive my car into a wall

[CO AVANT]

Today I was boosting 25psi even up here on this turbo on 85duty ebc. That's like 27-28psi at sea level. That is how my car feels sometimes, like it's "breaking up" up top (just don't think it's a boost issue). Then sometimes it will pull like a champ. This with all vag readings within my personal safety limits.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Today I was boosting 25psi even up here on this turbo on 85duty ebc. That's like 27-28psi at sea level. That is how my car feels sometimes, like it's "breaking up" up top (just don't think it's a boost issue). Then sometimes it will pull like a champ. This with all vag readings within my personal safety limits.

Thats exactly what my car is doing. Sometimes it runs balls out 27psi (all last weekend) and sometimes it breaks up like a mofo. WTF is up. Been going off and on with this shit for 3-4 weeks now

[A4ringedONE8T]

And I dont get any CEL's, misfires, ...

[CO AVANT]

same here, other than my usual codes. Fuck. I think our cars have been acting very particular and very similar for some reason lately, hrmmmm

[A4ringedONE8T]

Ive tried different plugs at .025-.032, different coilpacks. Different 02 sensor, different SPS settings

Im going to try a new MAP on Monday and if that doesnt fix it who knows. Probably flash another file and see where the hell that gets me

Our cars do seem to be doing the same shit including the lack of CF's

[jojoampt]

god i feel stupid THIS is why i feel hesitant to jump into any type of real power/motor build. I DONT KNOW SHIT!

So if you can follow me here......I either fvcking hate vag-com, my revo software, or ME7. So this is the shit I've been dealing with.... I go log at T7 and pull some cf's in a 2nd-5th gear pull. So I lower to T6 and relog. I pull even higher cf's and lower btdc's. EGT and lambda #'s are the same for both pulls. So then I think to myself, damn this has happened before.... so I turn the timing down to T0. Give it a single pull, then shut off and raise to T9. I log at T9 and pull zero cf's and my btdc's are up to 13's from the 7-9's which they were with lower timing advance. This is NOT the first time this has happened to me. I can count about 5 times now where I've zero'd out timing and re-timed to max T9 on sps, and every time I pull harder with lower cf #'s and higher btdc #'s then with the previous lower T6 setting I was running just minutes prior (same ambient conditions). Over time it gets to the point where I have to lower timing again and do this whole process over. WTF is the deal? It's like I have to have the ecu re-think the programming timing every now and then. My plugs look like I'm running way too rich on T6/T7 but yet it will pull timing over time until I zero out and redo the timing with sps3. I swear I'm the only one to have ever delt with this shit. So damn annoying...

[AudiA4_20T]

Get a real wideband and egt setup, look @ the BTDC, and maybe knock - besides that CF reading will probably drive you crazy.

ding ding... you need something thats not ME7 to figure out what is actually going on

[CO AVANT]

Ive tried different plugs at .025-.032, different coilpacks. Different 02 sensor, different SPS settings

Im going to try a new MAP on Monday and if that doesnt fix it who knows. Probably flash another file and see where the hell that gets me

Our cars do seem to be doing the same shit including the lack of CF's

I really don't think there is a sensor related to this subject I haven't replaced on my car yet. I'm not the type to throw $$ at problems, but over the last 5 years I've had more little BS problems than anyone would ever want to figure out... I seriously think I need different software. Where can I find all these other ecu readers? Not like it would matter since my car would do the same thing regardless at this point.... I'd just be actually able to see more accurately.

[dougyfresh]

come to New Jersey, or go to Canada

[CO AVANT]

Thanks for the tip Doug, fvcker

[dougyfresh]

I know. here's something to hold you over

[A4ringedONE8T]

Its something in the car telling the REVO to F up. Its not the software, definitely something hardware or sensor related. I beat the shit out of my car on 27 psi for almost 4 weeks on the 430 file (after having the 550 file) before having this issue. Was logging on the way home from work one day did a 4th gear everything was fine, changed channels on vag and went to log 4th again and started breaking up. Has been ever since randomly

(and sorry just got home drunk as hell, if this doesnt make sense Ill clarify in the morning )

[B6Lovin]

Its something in the car telling the REVO to F up. Its not the software, definitely something hardware or sensor related. I beat the shit out of my car on 27 psi for almost 4 weeks on the 430 file (after having the 550 file) before having this issue. Was logging on the way home from work one day did a 4th gear everything was fine, changed channels on vag and went to log 4th again and started breaking up. Has been ever since randomly

(and sorry just got home drunk as hell, if this doesnt make sense Ill clarify in the morning )

hey, i just replied in that other thread where we were talking about this supposed "blow out" or misfiring, or whatever it is.

how do you know it's not the software at this point? between you and jordan you've checked every sensor and bit of hardware on the entire car... there's no other reason you should be having this problem, and nobody else is to our knowledge. have you talked to john (condo) to see if he has any ideas or similar problems?

remember, i'm not blaming the software - i'm trying to take the next logical step with this thing.

[diagnosticator]

Have you checked to see if the MAP sensor is working properly? I thought the REVO software runs off the MAP if the MAF is unplugged.

Good question, the ECU can't use the MAP sensor if it's upstream from the TB, so I can't figure how the ECU can run speed-density when the MAF is unpluged.

[CO AVANT]

yeah but if the map sensor was messed up wouldn't there be more boost issues than timing issues? Like I said, I have a relatively new map sensor in since I've already had a problem related to it. Shoot John, you were trying to figure that shit out over on audigeeks with my for months a while back... Are you running cams Shawn?

[mike-2ptzero]

Good question, the ECU can't use the MAP sensor if it's upstream from the TB, so I can't figure how the ECU can run speed-density when the MAF is unpluged.

why cant the ecu use the MAP sensor? Ecu just looks at how much mbar over atmos pressure along with RPM reading and 02 sensor reading to run speed-density.

[A4ringedONE8T]

hey, i just replied in that other thread where we were talking about this supposed "blow out" or misfiring, or whatever it is.

how do you know it's not the software at this point? between you and jordan you've checked every sensor and bit of hardware on the entire car... there's no other reason you should be having this problem, and nobody else is to our knowledge. have you talked to john (condo) to see if he has any ideas or similar problems?

remember, i'm not blaming the software - i'm trying to take the next logical step with this thing.

If its the software then why did it run perfect prior with the 3071R on high boost the whole time I had it, nearly 10k miles, and then the 3 or 4 weeks after I reflashed the 430 file with the 76. If it was software it would have been from day one, not something that just "happened"

[A4ringedONE8T]

yeah but if the map sensor was messed up wouldn't there be more boost issues than timing issues? Like I said, I have a relatively new map sensor in since I've already had a problem related to it. Shoot John, you were trying to figure that shit out over on audigeeks with my for months a while back... Are you running cams Shawn?

No stock AMB head

[actlsub9]

Good question, the ECU can't use the MAP sensor if it's upstream from the TB, so I can't figure how the ECU can run speed-density when the MAF is unpluged.

Once the TB is open I would think the that mani pressure and MAP sensor are somewhat the same, and that plus RPM would give you speed-density, no?

[eg6siR]

why dont you try Unitronics to run your setup, i talked to them and revo at H20 and unitronics definitely seemed more knowledgeable on the ME7 tuning. as soon as the kit im building is done i am gonna run a unitronics big turbo file.

[AudiA4_20T]

why dont you try Unitronics to run your setup, i talked to them and revo at H20 and unitronics definitely seemed more knowledgeable on the ME7 tuning. as soon as the kit im building is done i am gonna run a unitronics big turbo file.

dude i was telling u, dont trust them as much as u think u can... no one makes a SOLID BAT for us...

[eg6siR]

dude i was telling u, dont trust them as much as u think u can... no one makes a SOLID BAT for us...

show me someone who is running there BAT software that is actually configured for there respective setup. nobody that i know of on here clint....!
everyone seems to love REVO but shawn cannot even get his car running properly on a file for his size injectors..

I am gonna give unitronics a try and if i am unhappy then Standalone here i come!

[A4ringedONE8T]

show me someone who is running there BAT software that is actually configured for there respective setup. nobody that i know of on here clint....!
everyone seems to love REVO but shawn cannot even get his car running properly on a file for his size injectors..

I am gonna give unitronics a try and if i am unhappy then Standalone here i come!

Im not running a file for anything close to my setup. Im running a 440cc GTRS file made for that setup and a stock MAF. Im running a 3076R with 630's and no MAF ...

[eg6siR]

Im not running a file for anything close to my setup. Im running a 440cc GTRS file made for that setup and a stock MAF. Im running a 3076R with 630's and no MAF ...

thats exactly my point, you cant get a file from revo to make your setup run properly, i spent a couple hours over a few days talking to unitronics, and met with them at h20. they said they can make me a file for my exact setup, they can write it for MAF or MAF-less, 440cc up to 1400cc injectors, they can adjust for aftermarket cams. when i asked the revo guys at h20 about this they didnt really know what to say, all i got out of them was "we can flash your ecu with a file so it will work" and i referenced your setup because i knew you used a 440 file for 660's and no maf (i didnt drop your name or anything) and they said "sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do and hope for the best" and to me that just dosnt cut it. unitronics seems like they know what they are doing... so i am gonna give them a try