APR K04 Dyno Video

[SeKKeY]

here is my highest run:

193.7 WHP = 248.33 CHP (with 22% drivetrain loss)..





engine mods: 93 octane mix + added timing, APR K04 on 93 mode, Neuspeed exhaust + TP, Neuspeed Xtreme TIP, Akipol SMIC, carbonio intake

not bad, right guys?

[Killerteve]

What boost does the APR K04 run at?

[SeKKeY]

full throttle..2800 rpms i have about 15psi..goes up to ~17-18 at 4-5k..then tapers down to 11-13psi by redline

[Arclight]

Very nice...how much did that setup run you (K04, injectors, software)?

[Mike02A4]

If i'm reading the graph right, what the hell is up with that a/f??

[SeKKeY]

Very nice...how much did that setup run you (K04, injectors, software)?

K04 = 700 used
injectors = 300 new (tt255)
software = 200 upgrade from 1+

[Killerteve]

Damn with my revo K04 it would spike to 25 and hold at 22 then down to 18 at redline. Is there any way you can turn up the boost? I didn't even have and upgraded IC at the time.

[mnkyA4]

Mike didn't you tweak your setting with lemmiwinks? I think I'm going to run by 034 soon to talk about custom tuning and rebuild of the sk04 I got. We should meet up if you get your a/f ratio tuned by them.

[SeKKeY]

Damn with my revo K04 it would spike to 25 and hold at 22 then down to 18 at redline. Is there any way you can turn up the boost? I didn't even have and upgraded IC at the time.

im still making good HP without the increase of boost though, thats the thing that boggles my mind... i think APR has the most conservative tune out of the big three anyway..although a MBC ran in parallel with my N75 could turn up the boost im sure..just like the K03 im sure theres a point where the turbo is just blowing air in and it isnt being efficient anymore

[EBG 18T]

did you happen to ask them if they have a baseline of stock B6 1.8T on file for comparison purposes? I would be curious to see you improvement over the stock car.

[mike-2ptzero]

im still making good HP without the increase of boost though, thats the thing that boggles my mind... i think APR has the most conservative tune out of the big three anyway..although a MBC ran in parallel with my N75 could turn up the boost im sure..just like the K03 im sure theres a point where the turbo is just blowing air in and it isnt being efficient anymore

MBC in parallel doesn't allow you to turn up the boost, it just lets you decrease it. Have to use it in series to increase it.

[texasboy21]

That boost does seem a little low, but i do not, and have not run a k04. It may be worth while to throw on a mbc and turn it up a little bit. Do you have a FMIC?? may not be worth it depending on where you live..

barrett

[PRVWing]

I made 212 awhp and 264 wtq with my setup... If you get your boost a bit higher you could get to 200 hp.

[[IX]]

I run 197 WHP w/ the K03

WTF

[[IX]]

And if you have a SMIC, why is the fan blowing only on your radiator

[phantom b6]

I run 197 WHP w/ the K03

WTF

Are you FWD?

[Papachristou]

that SMIC is holding you back too.. get a good FMIC

[SeKKeY]

i think its been said before..different dynos read differently..im going to ask for a stock 1.8T as a baseline..the akipol SMIC is more than enough for a K04 setup IMO

[mike-2ptzero]

i think its been said before..different dynos read differently..im going to ask for a stock 1.8T as a baseline..the akipol SMIC is more than enough for a K04 setup IMO

You do know 034 owns a low reading dyno right? You cant compare its numbers to a very high reading dyno like a dynojet.

[czero]

Not bad for the price of the kit you paid honestly. I did forget how small the old k04's were though.

[SeKKeY]

You do know 034 owns a low reading dyno right? You cant compare its numbers to a very high reading dyno like a dynojet.

no i didnt know it was low reading..ive never actually heard of the DYNOmite..how does it compare to a mustang/dyno dynamics dyno?

[audikid66]

Damn with my revo K04 it would spike to 25 and hold at 22 then down to 18 at redline. Is there any way you can turn up the boost? I didn't even have and upgraded IC at the time.

there is NO WAY that you are still at 18 lbs. by redline with a k04... i spike 22-23 (when its cold) besides that normal spike is 20-21 and it will hold 19-20 and after likee 5k its alll downhilll..i think by redline im at like 12-14 lbs.

[initiala4]

Mmm check out the A/F..

[mike-2ptzero]

no i didnt know it was low reading..ive never actually heard of the DYNOmite..how does it compare to a mustang/dyno dynamics dyno?

Like a DD since it also uses eddy current to add load.

[[IX]]

Are you FWD?

Yes Sir

[b6onboost]

your numbers are spot on for a quattro K04 on that dyno. that dyno reads low, similar to a dynodynamics. if you put your car on a dynojet you'd see much higher numbers. that's why baselines are important.

[phantom b6]

Yes Sir

That's why your numbers are higher

[mike-2ptzero]

Yes Sir

Now take 8-10% off your numbers and then you can compare them to a quattro.


BTW I made over 200awhp on my K03. Even made more tq at the wheels then a APR stage 3 shop car on race tune.

[texasboy21]

BTW I made over 200awhp on my K03. Even made more tq at the wheels then a APR stage 3 shop car on race tune. [/QUOTE]

Please elaborate..

barrett

[mike-2ptzero]

Please elaborate..

barrett

Custom GIAC K03 chip tuned for 104 octane and pushing 20psi. That is the chip that ran 14.29 at 97mph on my 2000 A4 1.8t quattro way back in 2001.

Car #16

[QTC]

I think a FMIC will help greatly. Upgraded spark plugs will too (if you haven't upgraded already)

As a comparison, I had my car dynoed on a MAHA (also low reading) and got 245 chp and 313 ft/lbs (Dahlback chip and injectors; stock K03; AWE FMIC; Milltek CB; 93 octane pump fuel). I'd post a graph if I knew how to...

Not bad numbers though. As long as you're happy with how the car performs, who really cares about the numerical data? Just drive and enjoy :-)

[b6onboost]

^ what was the wheel hp/tq. maha may read low, but whatever conversion factor you used to calculate crank hp/tq sound too high. 245/313 is pretty much too high for the K03, even with all supporting mods.

[Mark]

there is NO WAY that you are still at 18 lbs. by redline with a k04... i spike 22-23 (when its cold) besides that normal spike is 20-21 and it will hold 19-20 and after likee 5k its alll downhilll..i think by redline im at like 12-14 lbs.

my K04 setup behaves very similarly.

[audikid66]

what software are you running?

[Mark]

what software are you running?

believe it or not . . . Neuspeed. When i installed my K04, there weren't many options for K04 specific software at that time. Neupseed and MTM had files at that time . . . but MTM required me to buy all components from them . . . so a lot more money. I think I installed it sometime in late 2002 or early 2003.

I've been toying with changing software, but really don't see a need unless there were solid gains over my current software. Probably would go with GIAC though.

[QTC]

^ what was the wheel hp/tq. maha may read low, but whatever conversion factor you used to calculate crank hp/tq sound too high. 245/313 is pretty much too high for the K03, even with all supporting mods.

I didn't use a correction factor; the machine did it for me.

It would be easier to just post the graph, but I can't figure how to do it on AZ (I'm used to AW) so I'll rattle off the numbers, so bear with me.

I dynoed the car as a baseline with just my Milltek on (ambient temp was ~80*). I returned 69 whp (162 corrected). Torque is listed at 164 ft/lbs; with no designation given between wheel and crank numbers.

I had the car chipped, drove around for a month, and had it dynoed again. This time the car had an AWE FMIC, Dahlback Stage 2 software and fuel injectors, and new, Bosch sparkplugs with a cooler heat range in addition to the Milltek CB (with stock cat FYI). I also had the fuel filter replaced that day. Ambient temp was ~83*. Three runs were performed, and the car made better power as each one progressed; there was maybe ~30-45s in between runs. The second and third runs were near identical. She threw down 181whp (244.8 corrected) and again, torque is listed as 312.8 ft/lbs, with no differentiation between wheel and crank.

So to sum up:

Stock: 69 whp (162 chp/164 ft/lbs)
Dahlback: 181 whp (~245 chp/ 313 ft/lbs)

The car feels worlds quicker. Is the K03 at the edge of its capacity? Yes, I don't doubt that for a second. Is this probably going to cause the K03 to die at some point? Yes, but when it does, I have bigger and better things planned. While the Dahlback stuff was expensive, it is worth it. I haven't had any CEL's or other associated boost issues, and I chalk that up to the fact that its TuV approved. Fuel economy isn't as good as it was, but I cause that problem

If you have any more questions please let me know.

[mike-2ptzero]

Still seems pretty high for a K03, not even Dahlback claims that high of a number for their K03 chips. Might want to put the car on a mustang or dynojet.

[QTC]

I would but I don't have a Mustang or Dynojet near me (the MAHA is 15 minutes away)...and all I hear everytime the dyno dispute comes up is how one is worse than the other. I was under the assumption that MAHA is one of the better "brands" (?) to use because it's what many auto manufacturers use, such as Audi and Porsche.

[mike-2ptzero]

I would but I don't have a Mustang or Dynojet near me (the MAHA is 15 minutes away)...and all I hear everytime the dyno dispute comes up is how one is worse than the other. I was under the assumption that MAHA is one of the better "brands" (?) to use because it's what many auto manufacturers use, such as Audi and Porsche.

Well the problem is that the maha does a coast down to figure driveline loss, but that can be off causing it to give you such a high chp reading. Most K03's will only make around 205-225chp max on a pump tune. To hit the 245-250chp with a K03 you need to be fully tuned for 104+ octane.

Have any logs of your maf readings? Because that will pretty much tell you how much power your making. My maf readings on my K03 when it made 250chp was in the 210-215 range. Normal K03 chips will see 170-180 g/s readings at the maf while making 205-215 chp.

[QTC]

Well the problem is that the maha does a coast down to figure driveline loss, but that can be off causing it to give you such a high chp reading. Most K03's will only make around 205-225chp max on a pump tune. To hit the 245-250chp with a K03 you need to be fully tuned for 104+ octane.

Have any logs of your maf readings? Because that will pretty much tell you how much power your making. My maf readings on my K03 when it made 250chp was in the 210-215 range. Normal K03 chips will see 170-180 g/s readings at the maf while making 205-215 chp.

I don't currently, but I can try and get some. And I was shocked when I saw the numbers as well; I certainly didn't expect it. But I'll get the maf log and get back to you. It'll be interesting to see...