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    Veteran Member Three Rings Spongebob05's Avatar
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    REVO Flash and addons

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    So... I'm getting my B7 S4 flash tomorrow, currently I have full Labree exhaust, will this combo add more power to my baby than flashing without exhaust? Will adding after market Air Intake increase to the combos be additional power increase as well ??

    Another question comes to mind, what is the difference between a B7 RS4 and a B7 S4 since they are both 4.2??

    Would it be cheaper to modify to RS4 engine than that of a Super Charger ??


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    Veteran Member Four Rings GotRS?'s Avatar
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    Re: REVO Flash and addons

    In answer to the RS4 vs S4 engine, I lifted this from another thread which compares the two versions of the FSI (direct injection) engine, e.g. Q7 or S5 vs RS4. There's doubtless more than this even going from the S4 to the base FSI engine.

    Here are the differences for those that might think that the RS4 engine has only a few minor "tuning" differences. These come from the Audi 4.2-liter V8 FSI Engine Self-study Program

    The main technical differences between the base engine and the high-revving engine lie in the following:

    * Crankshaft/connecting rods/pistons
    * Timing gear
    * Cylinder head
    * Oil supply
    * Engine cooling
    * Intake path
    * Exhaust system
    * Engine management


    The cylinder crankcase of the high-revving engine was machined to higher specifications due to the higher stresses in this component. To minimize warping of the cylinder manifolds, the crankcase is honed under stress. For this purpose, a honing template is attached to the crankcase before the honing process in order to simulate the warping of the bolted-on cylinder manifold.

    Modifications to High-revving Engine
    At very high engine speeds, axial vibration occurs due to the unbalance in the single-mass damper. This can cause the crankshaft to break.

    To avoid this vibration, a dual-mass damper without unbalance is employed in the high-revving engine. To compensate for unwanted engine vibration, heavy metal inserts are integrated in the first and eighth crank journals by way of unbalance.

    Connecting Rod
    Cracked connecting rods made of 36MnVS4 are used in the basic engine, while the conventionally split connecting rods in the RS4 engine are made of 34CrNiMo8, for strength.

    In addition, the geometry and tolerances of the
    connecting rods were reduced on the high revving version of the 4.2L V8 FSI engine.

    Bearing journals diameter: 54 mm
    Bearing bushings: 1.4 mm thick, 15.25 mm wide
    Length of bushing: 0.20 mm diameter rolled
    Connecting rod length: 154 mm

    Piston
    For strength reasons, forged pistons with a slightly higher weight than conventional pistons, are used. Both engines have the same piston geometry.
    Piston weight without rings: approximately 290 g (10 oz)
    Piston pin: 0.20 mm x 0.11.5 mm x 40 mm

    High-revving Engine

    * 3/8" simplex sleeve-type chains are used here. Their advantage is their reduced wear and higher stress resistance at high engine speeds. In this case the idler gears have 38 and 19 teeth. The camshaft sprockets have 25 teeth.


    Different Features of the High-revving Engine

    * To match the higher engine power output and RPM, the following cylinder head components were modified:
    * Intake ports are charge optimized (based on larger cross-sections)
    * Intake valves are chrome-plated hollow stem valves (for weight reduction)
    * Valve springs are made of a material with higher tensile strength and also have higher spring force
    * To meet the higher fuel requirements, the injectors are designed for higher flow rates.
    * Roller rocker arms are more robustly designed, with peened rollers for higher strength
    * Camshafts have different timings and larger opening lengths
    * Intake valve opening angle 230 crank angle degrees
    * Exhaust valve opening angle 220 crank angle degrees
    * The lifters were adapted from the 3.2L V6 engine found in the TT and A3. They have a larger ball stroke which, in the course of testing, proved advantageous for the high-revving engine (with regard to the inflation of the hydraulic valve clearance compensation element).
    * The cylinder head has a modified water jacket which circulates coolant to the area between the intake port and the injector, thereby reducing the temperatures in the cylinder head combustion chamber plate.
    * Due to a modified camshaft drive reduction ratio, the camshaft adjuster has 25 teeth for the chain drive, as opposed to 30 teeth in the basic engine.

    In the more highly stressed high-revving engine, an additional oil-air heat exchanger is used to minimize the oil temperature even at high engine load. This additional heat exchanger is operated in parallel with the heat exchanger via a thermostat.

    Audi RS4 Sump
    A reliable supply of oil in all driving situations is critical, especially in a sports car such as the RS4. The oil supply system in the high-revving engine was designed for racing applications in which it is subjected to lateral
    acceleration of up to 1.4 g. To ensure this, the sump in the RS4 has an additional system of flaps.

    Design
    Four flaps, whose axis of rotation is parallel to the longitudinal axis of vehicle, are arranged inside a housing. Each of the flaps opens toward the inside of the intake end of the oil pump.

    Function
    When the vehicle is cornering, the oil flows inside the sump toward the outside of the corner. The two flaps facing the outside of the corner close and hold the oil in the sump intake. At the same time, the two flaps facing the inside of the
    corner open to allow additional oil to flow into the intake. This ensures a sufficient supply of oil to the oil pump.

    The intake system of the RS4 engine was designed with emphasis on maximum flow control. Pressure loss is minimized by a large cross-sectional areas in the Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor G70 and air intake pipe in combination with a 90 mm diameter throttle valve.

    To ensure a sufficient supply of air to the engine at high RPM, the power flap in the air filter is opened at engine speeds higher than 5000 RPM and at road speeds higher than 200 kph.
    The power flap is opened and closed by a vacuum
    actuator which is map-controlled by the ECM via the Intake Air Switch-Over Valve N335.

    The sand cast aluminum (should be magnesium) intake manifold was designed specifically to match the sporty characteristic of the engine. In contrast to the basic engine, maximum torque is produced at higher engine RPM. At this engine speed, the intake manifold changeover valve would be switched to the short path for higher power output.

    Spark Plugs
    In contrast to the Audi Q7, spark plugs with a higher heatrating (colder plugs)* are used because the RS4 engine is subjected to higher thermal stresses.
    * applies to NGK spark plugs

    Injectors
    Due to the higher fuel demand and the shorter window of time available for injection at very high engine speeds, the RS4 engine is fitted with larger injectors than the Audi Q7 engine.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Spongebob05's Avatar
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    Re: REVO Flash and addons

    Wow...that is alot of Sh#t.....thanks for the info.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings WinterRunner's Avatar
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    Re: REVO Flash and addons

    As stated, big difference in the engines, about the only similarity is the engine's litres.

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    Senior Member Three Rings
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    Re: REVO Flash and addons

    And to answer his last question, it sounds like nobody is doing engine swaps of the RS4 engine into the S4 chassis. For obvious reasons when you look at all the differences. It wouldn't be as easy as just dropping in the RS4 engine. This would be a SUPER complicated engine swap when compared to other model cars swapping in better engine components from their sportier big brother models.

    Makes me want to buy an RS4 a little. If they weren't so expensive....

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    Veteran Member Four Rings GotRS?'s Avatar
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    Re: REVO Flash and addons

    Quote Originally Posted by Spongebob05 View Post
    Wow...that is alot of Sh#t.....thanks for the info.
    It sure is a lot!

    So I guess you have your revo upgrade now? I did the same yesterday for the same 20% off deal.

    I had asked George @ revo about the exhaust thing a while ago, and he confirmed that the ECU change would take advantage of a more free flowing exhaust. I have Milltek downpipes and non-res system, and he said that will be great. Same for your system too I'm sure.

    It's been hot here in SoCal yesterday and today, but I immediately noticed better torque.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings GotRS?'s Avatar
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    Re: REVO Flash and addons

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Insano View Post
    Makes me want to buy an RS4 a little. If they weren't so expensive....
    And the only fault I have with the RS ?... no Avant in the US. You win there.

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