Woa, ATP's "Eliminator 2"

[A4ringedONE8T]

Check this shit out ... for the transverse 1.8T but I'm sure its on the drawing board for our motor. The Eliminator2 ... lol

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/me...egory_Code=BCS

[absolutegtr]

Pretty smart move......your still using the restrictive stock manifold though...

[A4ringedONE8T]

Pretty smart move......your still using the restrictive stock manifold though...

Of course, and adding something else to crack into the equation but interesting for sure. Where do they get these ideas...

[RLB6]

^^ Actually adding that additional exhaust runner should increase exhaust gas velocity which should improve spool. Logically speaking of course.

[Don Supreme]

ATP missed their chance to dominate the market, but it seems like a good idea none the less.

[mike-2ptzero]

^^ Actually adding that additional exhaust runner should increase exhaust gas velocity which should improve spool. Logically speaking of course.

How can it do that seeing that they are not increasing the size of the manifold itself.

Only reason I see for doing this is to solve a supply issue of the normal Elims.

[RLB6]

Only reason I see for doing this is to solve a supply issue of the normal Elims.

Yeah, that too

[aaronz]

What are we seeing here, I am not understanding it clearly, or at all for that mater.

[A4ringedONE8T]

What are we seeing here, I am not understanding it clearly, or at all for that mater.

It is an addition that bolts to the stock manifold, or the ATP hi flow manifold, that allows the use of a T25 flanged 28 or 30 series full framed turbo

[absolutegtr]

The more I look at this the more i see how cool this really is!

ATP must have passed around the peace pipe one night, to think of this, lol

[HTA A4]

Would this really be efficient?

[CyberPMG]

While this would allow you to run a larger turbo, you still have the flow restriction from the stock (or high flow K03/K04) exhaust manifold. I don't see how you would be able to use the larger turbo to it's full potential.

[dougyfresh]

While this would allow you to run a larger turbo, you still have the flow restriction from the stock (or high flow K03/K04) exhaust manifold. I don't see how you would be able to use the larger turbo to it's full potential.

That is what I was thinking. Not worth it. There are better T25 flange housings available.

[mike-2ptzero]

Plus it just adds more studs/bolts that have a chance to back off or snap.


It could be that they did this to put the turbo up above the manifold instead of below it on the transverse without making a new manifold. No reason to do that on the longitude.

[A4ringedONE8T]

That is what I was thinking. Not worth it. There are better T25 flange housings available.

It does make more sense than the current Elim's for the transverse 1.8T. They are extremely limited on TIP/inlet size because the shifter cables run right infront of the inlet of the turbo. Also the point of the Elim's were they bolted on using the stock downpipe and other parts. This setup on the Transverse 1.8T allows you to use exhaust you already have rather than needing a new downpipe for say the ATP straight T25/T3 manifold design. It may not be the most ideal, but definitely another option for that setup which keeps you from replacing already purchased parts and gives another "bolt on" setup that wouldnt require any downpipe modification.

How does that transfer over to our platform. Well it would allow you to upgrade from a GTRS to a T25 28RS, 2871R, 3071R-WG, or a 3076R-WG without having to change absolutely everything and again a completely bolt on setup, no fab needed.

I wouldnt go and do this from a stock setup but if already have an Elim or parts of it, I would say this provides a sensible upgrade path

[smarrick]

How can it do that seeing that they are not increasing the size of the manifold itself.

Only reason I see for doing this is to solve a supply issue of the normal Elims.

Increasing the size of the manifold would increase volume and decrease velocity.

If you dont understand take this old school fire nozzel see how it get smaller at tip it increases velocity to make the water come out harder/faster



But ya if your going with bigger turbo of course more volume or big manifold would be better.

[dougyfresh]

How does that transfer over to our platform. Well it would allow you to upgrade from a GTRS to a T25 28RS, 2871R, 3071R-WG, or a 3076R-WG without having to change absolutely everything and again a completely bolt on setup, no fab needed.

There are already bolt-on T25 flange packages for the longitudinal 1.8T. ASP and APR. Now the ASP does not utilize the stock air-box but everything is included and it works.

I think you're just stuck on ATP hardware whereas there are other vendors out there that supply similar, or better, products..

[zemun2]

Eliminator 2 will also require new custom TIP

[mike-2ptzero]

Increasing the size of the manifold would increase volume and decrease velocity.

If you dont understand take this old school fire nozzel see how it get smaller at tip it increases velocity to make the water come out harder/faster



But ya if your going with bigger turbo of course more volume or big manifold would be better.

Yes but the flow is going the other way on that nozzel. So adding something big between the turbo and a manifold that is already a restriction is not going to increase velocity or flow. That was my point.

This How does that transfer over to our platform. Well it would allow you to upgrade from a GTRS to a T25 28RS, 2871R, 3071R-WG, or a 3076R-WG without having to change absolutely everything and again a completely bolt on setup, no fab needed.

It would be a huge waste of time and money trying to run a GT30 on such a restrictive manifold. You will just hit a huge wall before redline and wouldn't even be able to get all the power that a GT30 can offer.

This part is also adding a 180 deg bend just before the turbo which isn't exactly helping the exhaust flow.

BTW it isn't like you cant buy a GT28 with a T3 housing, which means you can go from GT28rs to GT35r without ever having to change manifolds.

[A4ringedONE8T]

There are already bolt-on T25 flange packages for the longitudinal 1.8T. ASP and APR. Now the ASP does not utilize the stock air-box but everything is included and it works.

I think you're just stuck on ATP hardware whereas there are other vendors out there that supply similar, or better, products..

Minor little thing, this setup would be 1/2 the price of either of those ...

[A4ringedONE8T]

Eliminator 2 will also require new custom TIP

Open turbo son!

[A4ringedONE8T]

It would be a huge waste of time and money trying to run a GT30 on such a restrictive manifold. You will just hit a huge wall before redline and wouldn't even be able to get all the power that a GT30 can offer.

This part is also adding a 180 deg bend just before the turbo which isn't exactly helping the exhaust flow.

BTW it isn't like you cant buy a GT28 with a T3 housing, which means you can go from GT28rs to GT35r without ever having to change manifolds.

I didnt say it would be ideal, just that it would work, as in bolt together.

[zemun2]

Open turbo son!

If I was gonna do open turbo set up it sure wouldn't be on stock manifold.
I would only go as high as GT28R with this eliminator 2 set up

[05A$SE]

take a garden hose and turn it on full.....you get some flow. put your finger over the end and you get a ton of velocity/more pressure. however why would you want the stock manifold with a big turbo. restriction still present. when you can spend a hundred or two hundred more on the right exhaust manifold all together and unlock all the potential. stupid if you ask me. i think the orig eliminator setup is smarter. this is just an easy way to be like hey. i have a bigger turbo housing. cool, not

[AudiA4_20T]

this is so dumb

ATP made this because the transverse eliminator kits suck...

Stock manifold FTL people need to get out of the eliminator ideas and move on

[mike-2ptzero]

Nothing wrong with Elims for people that want to look stock while make more power.

[AudiA4_20T]

Nothing wrong with Elims for people that want to look stock while make more power.

Agreed, its a solid setup, but new ideas for elims arent going to happen. Weve maxed them out, nothing new is coming from the "elim" idea.

[mike-2ptzero]

Agreed, its a solid setup, but new ideas for elims arent going to happen. Weve maxed them out, nothing new is coming from the "elim" idea.

Correct. Now next year we should see some new turbo stuff for the A4's.

[F16HTON]

You never know...the engineers over at Garrett are much smarter than us...

It is not likely that they would make this for the long. motor, but I bet it kicks ass on the transverse...

If you look at the TIP it is a straight shit from the MAF to the turbo, like Shawn said no shifter cables to get into the way of the TIP.

People talked a bunchof shit about the eliminators too...

ATP owns the VW/Audi market and nobody will ever come close.

[Don Supreme]

ATP owns the VW/Audi market and nobody will ever come close.

ATP =

[Killerteve]

ATP owns the VW/Audi market and nobody will ever come close.

It sucks that sometimes they take that to mean they can treat their customers like shit.

[mike-2ptzero]

It sucks that sometimes they take that to mean they can treat their customers like shit.

That is what dealers are there for if you want better customer service and even better prices on the same products from ATP.

[Exanimas]

Nothing wrong with Elims for people that want to look stock while make more power.

Or for people with tiptronics that don't want to have to upgrade the torque converter. It would be pointless for me to get a full GT28RS since I'd have to have it limited to under 320ft/lbs of torque I believe.