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    GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

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    So after seeing GTRS A4's video get ripped apart, I went and shot a 0-60 for a comparison between his GT71R and a GTRS. I realize it seems that his car is not performing correctly. Another note... I got my friend to hold my point and shit camera, who was uncomfortable with going up to 100mph. I didn't quite feel comfortable with going 100 and shifting without a hand on the wheel by myself either.

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pidUaP_6GaE -


    Everybodies reviewing their BT setups, so I figure... why not? This is after one month with the kit.

    To start, I'll talk about installation. I went from apr stage1 to this, so needless to say the car felt amazing upon completion. The car was otherwise bone stock for the 18 months I've owned it. I had probably read through the DIY install on a4mods.com 3 times before even deciding to go BT, which helped a ton.

    Getting the car ready for install was fairly straight forward, drain this, unbolt that. Ran into a few snags though, mainly at the boost reservoir and the bracket to the K03. These nasty bolts stripped and required me to buy some vice-grips for the job. (these things are great, and I wish I had them earlier) I do wish that I had upgraded the oil/coolant lines when I did the install, and overall wish I had pieced my own kit together. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with this kit! Installing it is pretty damn easy as well. The ATP exhaust manifold (new version) that everybody complains about (...probably only complained about the old version) was not a problem for a small wrench and a lot of patience. If you're trying to mate up a Racetec FMIC with the gtrs you may have some fitment issues as I did. Easiest way for me to get it the way I wanted was to saw about 2 inches off the end that mates to the turbo. Another problem I had was flushing the radiator, figured it would flush on it's own, but got worried when my coolant warning came on and my temp gauge pinned at "hot as fuck". Well eventually it did work itself out, I just kept topping it off until all the air in the system was gone.

    EDIT
    I am not using the 550cc injectors, but received the 440cc Delphis with the kit, which from what I hear are second best. (Ecodetuning's website does not mention these injectors, but rather the Bosch injectors. They do not use the Bosch anymore from my understanding. They do not send you new oil/coolant lines like pictured on the website, and lastly, they do not use the Turbonetics variable boost controller. You should receive a forge UNOS boost controller instead, which actually retails for more than the Turbonetics.

    I got the NS Xtreme TIP with the GTRS kit, make sure you have small hands or you'll probably have ~20 scars like I do now. It was kind of a pain to get onto the velocity adapter from above, but had a much easier time from below the car. (not leaning over the car with fully extended arms)

    The E-pipe test pipe added an extra mean note/tone to my Neuspeed exhaust, and that lovely gasoline smell. I personally can't smell it while driving around but it is noticeable upon getting out of the car. Not really a downside, unless you hate the smell of gasoline.
    /EDIT

    On to the performance. I have not raced a single car, I have not done a 1/4 mile, and I have not dyno'd. All I have done is log log log and have some fun. I run the car on 93 v-power all the time, with SPS at T5-6 (can't remember) and B9 (controlled via MBC set at 22 psi) According to my friends super accurate cell phone timer the car now goes from 0-60 in about 5 seconds. Now this is with a STOCK CLUTCH Everybody says, upgrade your clutch... well obviously. For whatever reason I said "Eff that, I just won't launch my car or floor it in first". Well, I can easily burn up my clutch full engaged in 2nd. So, don't be dumb like me, get a clutch and avoid possible heartache/wallet-ache. I can not say when I hit max boost exactly but I think it's around 3800? (from memory) And I have no idea when it hits post doing the n249 bypass. If I'm flooring it, I will shift at about 6200 rpms, don't know if that's optimal or not, but it still feels strong by then.

    Alright it's time for my lunch break from work, and will wrap this up relatively fast.

    Would I do it again? Yeah, why not?

    Gas consumption.. Well the other day I went for a drive, which netted me 100 miles on half a tank. Now taking it easy-ish for the rest of the tank my gas light is on and I'm at about 300 miles total. Should easily be able to hit 400/450 miles on a tank.

    Went ahead and put a cone filter on the MAF, sounds great. Made up my own heat shield that has been doing a good job in this 60 degree weather. I'm going to purchase some reflect-a-cloth and slap it on the aluminum heat shield. After flooring it around for half an hour I popped the hood and grabbed the air filter... it was cool, the TIP was cool, everything on the left side of that shield was cool, so I was rather happy. Just figure the reflective material can only make it amazing.

    I'll update more later if I can think of anything, I can only think of lasagna right now

    And BIG THANKS to martini for a4mods, 400hpa4 for vag-com help and anybody who helped decipher my awful logs and any other help along the way.
    Last edited by Molotov; 09-29-2008 at 10:01 PM.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    great review, thanks!

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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Thanks you for sharing your experience . Going to install my GTRS next spring, just need to get a few parts this winter and save $$$ (ER IC from greg).
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    ^^he said MBC. anyways great review, now video?
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    ^^he said MBC. anyways great review, now video?
    lol!! Figures...
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    yeah I'd love to do videos, but all I have is a crap-ass point and shoot that does even worse video. 30 seconds is the max length, and no good way to mount it.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Quote Originally Posted by GTRS A4 View Post
    lol!! Figures...
    HAHA!

    you know what kirk.. me and you should embark on this BT Quest together. (no homo... well maybe a little)

    maybe we woudl get some good deal from some companies buying everyhting in doubles, and if anyone else would want to jump in we can do that.

    kinda would save money, and would be kind of cool having other people in your same boat doing the car up.. .so what you say kirk!

    well piece out parts slowly and in the spring time have allt he parts and in for the install! im going to start now...

    and the people i will bug are: Dougyfresh, John(Condo), Shawn(Fifteen52) and Greg(400hpA4) just a warning in advance guys =)

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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Shift at 6800-7000rpm the rev limiter is at 7200rpm. The turbo will keep pulling to 7000, 6200 is to early to shift if you are ripping on it.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    hmmm looks like I'll have to go out and have some more fun then. For whatever reason I thought these eliminators died off earlier than that, or I'm still just too used to that damned k03
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotov View Post
    hmmm looks like I'll have to go out and have some more fun then. For whatever reason I thought these eliminators died off earlier than that, or I'm still just too used to that damned k03
    They hit peak hp sooner but dont run out of breath till 7100-7200 so shifting at 7k works best.

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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Quote Originally Posted by romell View Post
    HAHA!

    you know what kirk.. me and you should embark on this BT Quest together. (no homo... well maybe a little)

    maybe we woudl get some good deal from some companies buying everyhting in doubles, and if anyone else would want to jump in we can do that.

    kinda would save money, and would be kind of cool having other people in your same boat doing the car up.. .so what you say kirk!

    well piece out parts slowly and in the spring time have allt he parts and in for the install! im going to start now...

    and the people i will bug are: Dougyfresh, John(Condo), Shawn(Fifteen52) and Greg(400hpA4) just a warning in advance guys =)
    or we can invite the company owners to a GTG and get them drunk and have them sign off the kit INSTALLED and Flashed with all parts including a 2.0 Stroker build for $100? lol
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    or we can invite the company owners to a GTG and get them drunk and have them sign off the kit INSTALLED and Flashed with all parts including a 2.0 Stroker build for $100? lol
    I like that idea! I'll do it too then! Kirk, I got a WOT video on my "Review" thread for ya!
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    ^^commented
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    very interesting summary - I take it you're logging with VAG-COM? I confess I'm very new to this (previous cars were old-school V8s, no ODBII port in sight) - Is logging and adjusting something you can 'have a go at' or will I screw the car up completely if I start down that route?

    Also interested in how you get on with the cone filter on the MAF - will it stand up to the bigger turbo's heavier breathing?

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    Re: GTRS complete solution review...

    Yes, I'm logging via vag-com. I change settings with the SPS3 on the REVO software. I am coming from never working on a car in my life, and installed everything on my car myself so far. You can screw yourself if you don't know/read where the limits are.

    I hope to god the cone filter holds up to a GTRS.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    Dude, in the video, your car sounds badass. What settings are you running on the SPS3? 'Cause on my video everyone was ripping on me because I was running timing 4.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    ^we weren't ripping on you lol. just saying that your car looked nowhere as fast as it could be (judging by the video)

    to the OP - car looks/sounds great. only thing that bothers me (personally) is that DV fluttering, but that can't really be helped haha. i remember on my GTRS i vented my forge straight to the atmosphere (before getting my turbo xs).. sounded like a greddy type-s (i think that's the one... it was crazy high pitched + the woosh.) it was really annoying hahaha
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    WOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW best vid yet, that car hauled assssssssssssss! Now that's real power babe!
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    clocked that at around 6.5sec to 60.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    WOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW best vid yet, that car hauled assssssssssssss! Now that's real power babe!
    lol.... just wait

    i dont think that me, chris, david, shawn, winston, clint, doug, john, charlie, or anyone else from the BAT/2.0 crew who i've forgotten have posted recent videos...

    like i said... just wait (i'm putting money on john, chris, and david having the fastest 3 cars aside from myself )
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    ^^well ya compare ur setups. lol i mean for a GTRS that thing freakin pulls. and i'm going to do a 3071R tiptronic
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    Daniel, did you step up to a 2.0?
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    nope, don't intend to for quite sometime either (as in years from now)

    i just said 2.0/BAT because some guys are 2.0 with smaller turbos (DOUG*COUGHCOUGHCOUGH lol) and others of us are BAT with 1.8's

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    ^^well ya compare ur setups. lol i mean for a GTRS that thing freakin pulls. and i'm going to do a 3071R tiptronic
    fwiw, there are faster eliminators out there than that. not saying his car is slow... just keeping it in perspective
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    ^^well ya see mine wont be very quick either, but it's alright
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    yeah I really wish I had a mount/camcorder for some decent quality. To GTRS A4 I think my timing was only at 5 or 6 in 58 degree weather (probably could have pushed it 7 but don't like changing it without logging), I really should try remembering what I set it to. 0-60 would be muuuuuch faster if I could launch the car even the slightest bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B6Lovin View Post
    ^we weren't ripping on you lol. just saying that your car looked nowhere as fast as it could be (judging by the video)

    to the OP - car looks/sounds great. only thing that bothers me (personally) is that DV fluttering, but that can't really be helped haha. i remember on my GTRS i vented my forge straight to the atmosphere (before getting my turbo xs).. sounded like a greddy type-s (i think that's the one... it was crazy high pitched + the woosh.) it was really annoying hahaha
    Yeah I really wish it didn't flutter like it does, but then I re watched the x-games rally course where one of the Subies fluttered all the time, and it sounded badass from outside the car. So.. I just pretend that's what my car sounds like when I drive around. Plus it'll get the ricers around here all bonery and then I'll laugh at them.
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    what dv do you have
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    forge 007. It flutters forwards or backwards, the n249 removal apparently does that, but it functions a lot faster.
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    oh okay
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    and i'm going to do a 3071R tiptronic
    Tranny won't take a 3071R at full pontential unless you upgrade the TC and VB. Actually, your motor will give before the tranny does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B6Lovin View Post
    like i said... just wait (i'm putting money on john, chris, and david having the fastest 3 cars aside from myself )
    I'm saving this one.... You guys just wait..

    And that other comment.. I'm going to ignore that one.

    I can't say anything more. Going to keep it on the DL until things are done.







    Quote Originally Posted by Molotov View Post
    yeah I really wish I had a mount/camcorder for some decent quality. To GTRS A4 I think my timing was only at 5 or 6 in 58 degree weather (probably could have pushed it 7 but don't like changing it without logging), I really should try remembering what I set it to. 0-60 would be muuuuuch faster if I could launch the car even the slightest bit.

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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

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    I'm saving this one.... You guys just wait..

    And that other comment.. I'm going to ignore that one.

    I can't say anything more. Going to keep it on the DL until things are done.
    lol, what's the matter doug? can't take a little friendly competition?

    consider it a challenge between all of us... it's always been a semi-spoken/unspoken thing, but I'm making it official right now. consider the gauntlet thrown - i wanna see what your shit is made of

    and "that other comment" was only meant to try and push you further haha, you know that
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    I know. I wasn't 'upset' or anything. Hard to sense reactions and sarcasm through the internerd.


    Just not saying anything beyond the fact that we're writing three files for my car right now (high and low boost 93octane and a race fuel file). I will let the data speak for itself when we're done.
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    Re: GTRS complete solution review... ALSO VIDEO

    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    I know. I wasn't 'upset' or anything. Hard to sense reactions and sarcasm through the internerd.


    Just not saying anything beyond the fact that we're writing three files for my car right now (high and low boost 93octane and a race fuel file). I will let the data speak for itself when we're done.
    what data will that be and I sure hope you dont mean Dyno?

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