2000 RS4 engine and trans

[Luke01S4]

Hi I have 01 S4 and I'm getting 2000 engine + trans from '00 RS4. I'm thinking of puting bigger turbos, stock k04 might be slow, So the question is Which engine and trans use to play with? I might go with gt28RS or so, or use RS4 heads on S4 block + S4 trans.I was told that 01 or S4 has better trans then 00 RS4. Any solutions Welcome Thanks

[Jung]

big bank ftw.. lets see some progress pics.

[OldYella]

Why would you waste your money importing it? Just buy the mods. Will be cheaper.

[Dr.Duct]

not trying to be rude.... but do you know what your talking about???

why would you buy the rs4 motor? rs4 trans has different gearing, but so does the rear end, Do you have the rs4 rear end? is your car a sedan?? if so, will you have the custom driveshafts needed, made?

Sorry, just sounds like your another one of those that come on here and dont really know whats involved.. good ideas though <:thumbsup:>

[Wizard-of-OD]

Any solutions Welcome Thanks

Take the advice of what has been posted in this thread.

RS4 crate motor second hand or new = BIG $$$.
A stock S4 motor with Forged rods and big port cylinder heads can make gobs of power.Been proven time and time again.

My advice to you is the following:
* Stock S4 engine
* Forged Connecting rods
* VW Passat 2.8 30V cylinder heads
* RS4 intake manifold
* Modified R32 DBW throttle body
* Tial 650 Turbo kit
* Eurodyne software + matching MAF (depending on there year of manufacture).

Let me know via PM if you need any parts or you can add me to aim and discuss this 1 on 1.Do not go buying an RS4 engine because it is cooler and from an RS4.

Ask guys like Dominic ,Justin ,Alex & Shawn that have 500+whp S4's with no RS4 components.... (besides the intake manifold).

[okkim]

Seems that Dr.Duct doesn't know what he's talking about. S4 and RS4 has the same rear differential and final drive ratio! And you can use the RS4 gearbox in S4 (with S4 or RS4 engine) without any modifications. RS4 gearbox has shorter 3th and 4th gears.

If you can get RS4 engine with reasonable price, get it. I would use it because it has stronger crankshaft and con rods, bigger oil pump, better block and heads, cams and so on. Many things. Then you just have to change the turbos to bigger, thats basically it.

http://www.audiworld.com/model/rs4/specs.shtml
http://www.audiworld.com/model/s4/00/00-s4.shtml

[Shomegrown]

not trying to be rude.... but do you know what your talking about???

This post certainly proves that you don't.

To the OP, why the hell would you even consider using the S4 block and bottom end if you had the RS4 pieces?

[Wizard-of-OD]

If you can get RS4 engine with reasonable price, get it. I would use it because it has stronger crankshaft and con rods, bigger oil pump, better block and heads, cams and so on. Many things. Then you just have to change the turbos to bigger, thats basically it.

Stock RS4 connecting rods can handle GT2871R's?

[okkim]

It depends how much power you are going to take, those are ok for ~600-650 hp from the engine. But aftermarket rods are not so expensive that I wouldn't keep the originals anyway. But RS4 rods are quite much stronger than the S4 ones.

But all the other RS4 "goodies" is the "thing" that makes it tempting, if the price is reasonable.

[Luke01S4]

First I was thinking about buying AWE K04 turbo kit, but I called my friends in Europe and got the RS4 engine and trans for little less then AWE k04 kit. I should have the engine and trans in 2 weeks. But now I want to go bigger maybe 2 x Gt28 or so

I"m from NJ and I'm asking, which tuning shops on east coast are good with audi's 2.7T ?

Does Any one know for how much the ferrea valves go for and who will do it? I will take the heads out form the car

Also I will need some forged pistons and connecting rods which ones are good? thanks

[Luke01S4]

To the OP, why the hell would you even consider using the S4 block and bottom end if you had the RS4 pieces? [/QUOTE]

I was told that S4 has better trans than RS4 and stronger and S4 and RS4 have different engine blocks and trans won't fit (RS4 block+s4 trans wont' work)

[okkim]

Why are you changing the valves? Originals are fine if those are not worn out.

Original pistons are forged, and you don't need to change those either. Connection rods might be a good idea, for example Pauter, Rosten, AutoVerdi and so on. You can put S4 con rods there, but then you have to use S4 bearings also.

[fourings06]

Take the advice of what has been posted in this thread.

RS4 crate motor second hand or new = BIG $$$.
A stock S4 motor with Forged rods and big port cylinder heads can make gobs of power.Been proven time and time again.

My advice to you is the following:
* Stock S4 engine
* Forged Connecting rods
* VW Passat 2.8 30V cylinder heads
* RS4 intake manifold
* Modified R32 DBW throttle body
* Tial 650 Turbo kit
* Eurodyne software + matching MAF (depending on there year of manufacture).

Let me know via PM if you need any parts or you can add me to aim and discuss this 1 on 1.Do not go buying an RS4 engine because it is cooler and from an RS4.

Ask guys like Dominic ,Justin ,Alex & Shawn that have 500+whp S4's with no RS4 components.... (besides the intake manifold).

x1000

[Shomegrown]

I was told that S4 has better trans than RS4 and stronger and S4 and RS4 have different engine blocks and trans won't fit (RS4 block+s4 trans wont' work)

None of that is true.

[S4_NE]

First I was thinking about buying AWE K04 turbo kit, but I called my friends in Europe and got the RS4 engine and trans for little less then AWE k04 kit. I should have the engine and trans in 2 weeks. But now I want to go bigger maybe 2 x Gt28 or so

I"m from NJ and I'm asking, which tuning shops on east coast are good with audi's 2.7T ?

Does Any one know for how much the ferrea valves go for and who will do it? I will take the heads out form the car

Also I will need some forged pistons and connecting rods which ones are good? thanks

EPL and ASP do nice custom tunes one is in Nj ASP and EPL is in CT aslo i belive on LI there is a gentelman that tunes as well , good luck

[Dr.Duct]

This post certainly proves that you don't.

To the OP, why the hell would you even consider using the S4 block and bottom end if you had the RS4 pieces?

oh well.. life goes on.

Seems that Dr.Duct doesn't know what he's talking about. S4 and RS4 has the same rear differential and final drive ratio! And you can use the RS4 gearbox in S4 (with S4 or RS4 engine) without any modifications. RS4 gearbox has shorter 3th and 4th gears.

If you can get RS4 engine with reasonable price, get it. I would use it because it has stronger crankshaft and con rods, bigger oil pump, better block and heads, cams and so on. Many things. Then you just have to change the turbos to bigger, thats basically it.

http://www.audiworld.com/model/rs4/specs.shtml
http://www.audiworld.com/model/s4/00/00-s4.shtml

with the 3rd and 4th grears being different does that not mean the gears are different?? lol. I know why people go with it. I remember back in the day when jared (snowtrooper) was trying to get one for drag purposes. With going with all the power that he wants to do, why would you not go with the RS4 rear if your doing the motor and trans?? Makes sense, sense these rears like to break.

Your not going to get an rs4 motor for a good price, and a good price will be expensive. euro>dollar, shipping will be crazy expensive.. By that time your better off just doing what isaam said, and a built stasis trans. It will be stronger, more reliable, and hold more power.

It depends how much power you are going to take, those are ok for ~600-650 hp from the engine. But aftermarket rods are not so expensive that I wouldn't keep the originals anyway. But RS4 rods are quite much stronger than the S4 ones.

But all the other RS4 "goodies" is the "thing" that makes it tempting, if the price is reasonable.

600hp at the motor.. Shit why even bother going Gt's?? Why not go rs6?? cheaper. You can make 600 to the motor on race gas with ko4's.

RS4 goodies are also a waste of money. Show me any dyno that prooves a result of more then 15whp for all of that money spent on rs4 intake mani, fuel rail, TB, head, etc.

To the OP, why the hell would you even consider using the S4 block and bottom end if you had the RS4 pieces?

I was told that S4 has better trans than RS4 and stronger and S4 and RS4 have different engine blocks and trans won't fit (RS4 block+s4 trans wont' work)[/QUOTE]

Do rods, and s4 bearings and youll be fine.

s4 and rs4 have the same block (correct me if im wrong) and the bell housing fits right on.

I think your better off making a thread saying what you already have, What kind of power band, hp, tq, etc. you want. What you want to use the car from, and ask for advice from there..

If you got the motor, and trans and shipped here for less then $2500 then you are the man! I prefer the RS4 trans because its better for drag, but everyone is different.

[dougyfresh]

First I was thinking about buying AWE K04 turbo kit, but I called my friends in Europe and got the RS4 engine and trans for little less then AWE k04 kit. I should have the engine and trans in 2 weeks. But now I want to go bigger maybe 2 x Gt28 or so

I"m from NJ and I'm asking, which tuning shops on east coast are good with audi's 2.7T ?

Does Any one know for how much the ferrea valves go for and who will do it? I will take the heads out form the car

Also I will need some forged pistons and connecting rods which ones are good? thanks

AutoSpeed Performance. They specialize in the B5 S4. They have a GT kit for the 2.7T as well as a K04 kit.

http://autospeed.us/contact.php <-- ask for Mark.


For the other stuff. I saw a thread about connecting rods here somewhere. Try the tech section and the search function?

[RolledMySTi]

Your plans make no sense. There is no point of getting a RS4 motor if you are going to go with GT's. What Issam said is the best route. It will be cheaper, easier, faster and more reliable.

[generationjdm]

Take the advice of what has been posted in this thread.

RS4 crate motor second hand or new = BIG $$$.
A stock S4 motor with Forged rods and big port cylinder heads can make gobs of power.Been proven time and time again.

My advice to you is the following:
* Stock S4 engine
* Forged Connecting rods
* VW Passat 2.8 30V cylinder heads
* RS4 intake manifold
* Modified R32 DBW throttle body
* Tial 650 Turbo kit
* Eurodyne software + matching MAF (depending on there year of manufacture).

Let me know via PM if you need any parts or you can add me to aim and discuss this 1 on 1.Do not go buying an RS4 engine because it is cooler and from an RS4.

Ask guys like Dominic ,Justin ,Alex & Shawn that have 500+whp S4's with no RS4 components.... (besides the intake manifold).

I used the stock intake manifold but modifed ports... No rs4 parts anywhere on my car nor will there be any... The whole rs4 motor verse stock u.s motor is so overated it makes my brain hurt...

I would take a built u.s motor over any rs4 motor hands down, there should be nothing to think about in deciding really

[Luke01S4]

If you got the motor, and trans and shipped here for less then $2500 then you are the man! I prefer the RS4 trans because its better for drag, but everyone is different.[/QUOTE]

For shipping I paid less than $500 and I can prove it, I have invoice from shipping but I have to go and pick it up from Illinois. The whole deal cost me about $6,700 so why not

[Luke01S4]

[QUOTE If you got the motor, and trans and shipped here for less then $2500 then you are the man! I prefer the RS4 trans because its better for drag, but everyone is different.[/QUOTE]

For shipping I paid less than $500 and I can prove it, I have invoice from shipping but I have to go and pick it up from Illinois. The whole deal cost me about $6,700 so why not[/QUOTE]

[Luke01S4]

Now I'm getting from RS4 2 bumpers 2 rear doors 2 Side skirts 2 fender and shipping is about $500 too

[AudiA4_20T]

If you got the motor, and trans and shipped here for less then $2500 then you are the man! I prefer the RS4 trans because its better for drag, but everyone is different.

For shipping I paid less than $500 and I can prove it, I have invoice from shipping but I have to go and pick it up from Illinois. The whole deal cost me about $6,700 so why not[/QUOTE]

because you could have a whole turbo setup for $6700, but it seems like money doesnt matter to you, so go for it

[tgiblin]

Im in NJ can I get on one of those RS4 bumpers?

[xx_s4quattro_xx]

Lets see some pics.

[Evilevo]

It seems like he is saying that he got the Motor and Trans and RS4 K04s for 6700.......

[RolledMySTi]

Can I have some money luke01s4 because you seem to have some to burn?

If you are going to replace the turbos and rods what are you getting for $6700? A transmission and heads. You can get a upgraded Stasis transmission with the upgraded center diff for $2900 and its stronger and better than an RS4 transmission. You can do 2.8 heads, cams, rs4 manifold and r32 tb for under $2000. You are paying a $2000 premium for inferior parts just to say they are RS4. I really don't get peoples hard on for RS4 parts. It's like they are magical or something.

[generationjdm]

still not worth it, even if it was 4700.00 still not worth it if you are building it anyways

[ToMMyRsK04]

Buy an EVO .. throw close to 10k at it and go low 10's.

[Luke01S4]

I have EVO 8 right now 350 WHP

[spinny]

I have EVO 8 right now 350 WHP

Where in jersey? I'd like to meet up and do some runs with my stage 3 S4.. let me know if you're interested.

[Luke01S4]

Just wait, over the winter i should be done with my stage 1 RS4

[Das General]

Stage 1 rs4...hhhmmm. Ok.

I am building my motor. The costs can go up, but there are ways you can do it on a more cost effective basis. I wouldn't go out purchasing an rs4 motor, as that motor will have its limitations as well.

Do what Issam said and then support 034.

[Yupkwondo]

No matter how many RS4 parts you put on the car, is just isn't one, will always be a clone. Clones can be nice, but you'll never have that all important VIN number to be official.

Good luck though, I was going to do the same (minus the RS4 engine and trans) but now I have to worry about seeing if the car is even worth keeping.

[okkim]

It is "funny" to see that people here have quite different opinions about the S4 vs RS4 motor than in Europe. Well, I guess everyone has entitled to that...

[Siena]

Guy, go for the RS4 motor / tranny, it's your car, and it's cool.

As for having RS4 motor / panels on your car, it's for your pleasure, no one else's.
The VIN issue's irrelevant, it's the pleasure that the car gives you that counts.

[goohead]

you should part out your old motor when you get setup

[Luke01S4]

Some people are just jealous that I have RS4 engine/ tranny/widebody and i will put RS4 emblem on the trunk and i will paint the whole car pink OK

[tgiblin]

yeah, most people are jealous that you got an rs4 motor, where in NJ are you?

[Yupkwondo]

Jealous not at all...I have more than the means to do what you are doing. Like Siena said it's for your pleasure that you are doing it, and that I completely understand.

But still the only way to say "I have a B5 RS4" is to buy a B5 RS4.