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    Registered Member Two Rings
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    Meth injection...just my thoughts.

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    I read alot on here about meth injection and what people think it does and what it is really capable of. I run the Devils Own progressive controller in my SRT4. I chose the Devils Own because it used the factory map sensor as it's boost control reference and needed no other extra controllers. All you do is set up the controller once and your set. If you browse over to the srtrfoums, you see that 400 hp srt4's are common place now, and most if not all use meth for power levels over that.

    Meth injection is not a power adder. It is a supporting modification. Meth on it's own really doesnt make any power, but the increased timing and boost that you can run can make a remarkable difference in power. If I recall...meth in a 0% dilution is around 114 octane. So to some extent, it's like spraying octane booster when you need it. Also the latent heat absorbtion is very effective on a 50/50 mix. The most common meth used was the stuff from walmart. It was .97 cents a gallon, had no soap and the msds showed somewhere around 42% meth. I have run cases of that stuff with no problem what-so-ever.

    Meth is injected for the most part through a fixed oriface under very high pressure. Sometimes up to 220 psi for race engines. For your everyday meth kit, the Shur-Flo brand pump that everyone uses are pushing anywhere from 100-150 psi. They come preset with pressure cutoffs made into the pump, but are somewhat adjustable. The jets are rated in gallons per hour. I used a 7 gph nozzle in mine and ran up to 30 psi of boost at the strip. Very little timing was pulled even when high octane mode was used.


    SRT4's and S4's alike seem to be similar in the fact that the power is in the ignition timing. Running logs in the neon would almost always show big and consistant changes in my allowed timing advance. This of course translates into big power. Safe Power. A few degrees of timing would always net more power than a few psi of boost in my car. The S4 seems to follow suit.

    Chemical intercooling will always net lower intake air charge temps then air to air intercoolingwhen done right. But this being said, I could never get my air charge temps as consitant when I did not run the big cca front mount. I would not rec running neth alone unless 1. You have a redundant stlye pumping method. When the pump goes, so will you ring lands, and 2. Tune it on a dyno under different ambient temps to make sure you timing stays in the safe range.

    A few good sights on this are also vendors, Devils Own, whom I have delt with, stands behind his product so relentlessly, that when he finds a way to make a part better, he sends it to you! Cooling Mist is also a very reputable vendor, has a good product, but from the forums, seems to be lacking in customer service a little. Snow Performance which I have never had dealings with, also has a very good reputation.

    If you are chipped, I say that you will see a differnce. Mostly with APR as in my circumstance. They seem to program alot of timing in there 93 oct program. Also I know for a fact that you can run their 100 oct race setting on 93 octane with an m5 nozzle ona 1.8 GTi.

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Good write up and good info, thanks for bridging over and sharing some input.

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Well I do have an S4 too.. :)

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Don Supreme's Avatar
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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Nice write up.

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Supreme View Post
    Nice write up.
    x2. thanks for the info ....

    im going to get W/M from VAST, I want to get a wideband first, I want to be able to monitor A/F before adding timing or what have you.
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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiSportB5S4 View Post
    x2. thanks for the info ....

    im going to get W/M from VAST, I want to get a wideband first, I want to be able to monitor A/F before adding timing or what have you.
    Thanks! I want a wide band but I am trying to decide where to install it. I have twin pipes.

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Nice write up, maybe i will just run small side mounts with meth going in the turbo inlets and then in the bi pipes

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by generationjdm View Post
    Nice write up, maybe i will just run small side mounts with meth going in the turbo inlets and then in the bi pipes
    I tried running an m5 nozzle directly into the turbo inlet. But I found that it did not yield as much knock supression as having it a few inches from the throttle body. I have also heard that it is possible that the meth may tend cause the rotating assembly of the turbo to become unbalanced and lead to premature failure. I have never been able to prove it, but I guess in the long term it could be possible.

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    wow... great write up.. thanks jason!

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonsrt4 View Post
    I tried running an m5 nozzle directly into the turbo inlet. But I found that it did not yield as much knock supression as having it a few inches from the throttle body. I have also heard that it is possible that the meth may tend cause the rotating assembly of the turbo to become unbalanced and lead to premature failure. I have never been able to prove it, but I guess in the long term it could be possible.
    if you run 100% meth at the turbo inlet you are better of since it is less dense then the water.

    Gen, run small ic will only do so much until they become heat soaked, or so I would think.
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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    They wont heat soak and if they do it will get real cool real fast. I think i will run ipp coolers or his rs4 ones.. You can run the stcok ics with meth and still be cooler then just a decent ic setup

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    which one of the Devils Own kit would be best suited for an S4??
    went to the website and they dont list them for Audis but im sure one of the other kits can be used all the same

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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonsrt4 View Post
    I tried running an m5 nozzle directly into the turbo inlet. But I found that it did not yield as much knock supression as having it a few inches from the throttle body. I have also heard that it is possible that the meth may tend cause the rotating assembly of the turbo to become unbalanced and lead to premature failure. I have never been able to prove it, but I guess in the long term it could be possible.
    How about running it into the inlet, and one at the TB?
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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by momento1 View Post
    which one of the Devils Own kit would be best suited for an S4??
    went to the website and they dont list them for Audis but im sure one of the other kits can be used all the same

    thanks
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    Re: Meth injection...just my thoughts.

    Thanks for the great information!

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