Beware of MAGNAFLOW'S False Advertising

[eclimax13]

i was f'd by magnaflow...i called the supplier and the magnaflow and asked if their system included the downpipe...i was told by both that it did and it was a complete cat-back system....well now i called magnaflow today and they said it is a cat-back system but does not include the downpipe...i got into a heated argument with the manager(who doesnt know anything about audi's) and was basically called an idiot by him...and that ppl have different terms of "cat-back"...he also told me to look up the term catback which i replied "cat-back involves all the piping from the cat- to the tips"...he replied that their definition is different and their system starts at the downpipe...which they say is a cat back system...im pretty pissed off that i was lied to and then told that im making up what i was told...so even after all this...does the downpipe make the difference in an exhaust system on our cars?

[absolutegtr]

Dude, you got yourself into a tizzy for just about nothing.

Magnaflow, has advertised it as a cat-back for the loooongest time.

I believe they call it a cat-back because, GENERALLY where the downpipe ends, on a "normal car" a catalytic converter is usually there. But in our cars (the 1.8) has in right in the engine bay, which is VERY unusual to any other car manufacturer.

If they called it a "downpipe-back" there would probably be even more confusion to the rest of the "uneducated" Audi community.

(And by uneducated I mean the ones who dont know what specific terms mean, and could careless )

As for the stock downpipe, it is, IIRC, about 2.25" in diameter. The usual aftermarket downpipe is 2.5". Depending on your mods and whether or not you have a testpipe, I would get a downpipe!

Oh and guess what?!?!

I'm selling one

[Papachristou]

i just posted in that other thread. it clearly shows the mufflers and piping from the DP back... i agree thats kind of misleading because it says downpipe back in the description but why the hell else would it be $250 less than every other cat back exhaust on the market...... we would all have one otherwise

[eclimax13]

how is being lied to and misled working myself into a tizzy?...everyone that advertises a "cat-back" for our car includes a downpipe...and guess what...thats where the cat back begins...if you want to make a system for our cars...know what your talking about...

[Papachristou]

come on! it shows the entire system in the pics and DOES NOT show a down pipe... and even says downpipe back exhaust in the description

[eclimax13]

come on! it shows the entire system in the pics and DOES NOT show a down pipe... and even says downpipe back exhaust in the description

go to magnflows website...considering i havent been under my car since i bought it...how am i to know what the piping is...magnaflows website clearly states cat back

[doublezero30]

how is being lied to and misled working myself into a tizzy?...everyone that advertises a "cat-back" for our car includes a downpipe...and guess what...thats where the cat back begins...if you want to make a system for our cars...know what your talking about...

i am yet to find a system that includes a downpipe that comes with our cars. that being said, are you seriously angry about paying $589 for full stainless mandrel bent exhaust? the stock downpipe is not 2.25" it is slightly larger than that but not quite 2.5". with the 2.5" magnaflow setup it wont make a bit of difference, except maybe sound, if you get an aftermarket downpipe.

[Das General]

do you know what a cat-back is? a cat-back does not include a downpipe. so if it says it is a cat-back system, why would you think it includes a downpipe?

[eclimax13]

i am yet to find a system that includes a downpipe that comes with our cars. that being said, are you seriously angry about paying $589 for full stainless mandrel bent exhaust? the stock downpipe is not 2.25" it is slightly larger than that but not quite 2.5". with the 2.5" magnaflow setup it wont make a bit of difference, except maybe sound, if you get an aftermarket downpipe.

you cant be serious..awe, milltek, ghl, apr, neuspeed all come with downpipes...

[eclimax13]

do you know what a cat-back is? a cat-back does not include a downpipe. so if it says it is a cat-back system, why would you think it includes a downpipe?

all the systems i mentioned include downpipes and are called cat back...i would think this due to the fact that a cat back includes all the piping from the cat converter...

[doublezero30]

well that explains it. ive never looked into any of those systems except a used neuspeed lol. but seriously dude you gotta read more before buying things. perfomancepeddle.com(place you said you baught it from in the other thread) clearly states that it is downpipe back in the description.

[romell]

regular turbo cars..... turbo-downpipe-cat-exhuast... aftermarket turbo cars: turbo-downpipe-exhuast our cars factory: turbo-cat-downpipe-exhuast aftermarket our cars if we choose: turbo-test pipe-downpipe- exhuast...

[eclimax13]

well that explains it. ive never looked into any of those systems except a used neuspeed lol. but seriously dude you gotta read more before buying things. perfomancepeddle.com(place you said you baught it from in the other thread) clearly states that it is downpipe back in the description.

ya...my mistake...i guess trusting that magnaflow said to me personally and performance peddler also said it includes the downpipe was my fault...i should have known not to believe...personally i was believing the magnaflow website..you know...the one who makes the exhaust that it was a cat back...

[eclimax13]

regular turbo cars..... turbo-downpipe-cat-exhuast... aftermarket turbo cars: turbo-downpipe-exhuast our cars factory: turbo-cat-downpipe-exhuast aftermarket our cars if we choose: turbo-test pipe-downpipe- exhuast...

not sure what the point of that was?....it just further proves my point

[eclimax13]

for you all guys defending magnaflow....this explanation if straight from awe.com...
Each system is mandrel bent T304 stainless steel, and the manual transmission model is a full catalytic converter back design. Since the catalytic converter resides in the engine bay with the A4 1.8T, an exhaust system is only considered a catalytic converter back design if the downpipe that comes off the catalytic converter is also part of the system. Not only does our manual transmission system include a downpipe, but it is a whopping 2.5" in diameter, guaranteeing maximum flow even with big turbo kits.

[absolutegtr]

eclimax13, I understand where you are coming from.

Dont want to sound like an ass, but it is what it is. Although it is very misleading, and even though both companies told you a downpipe was included; they either dont know what they are talking about or wanted to make a sale...probably both.

Where do you take it now? What will complaining do? Do you want them to give you a free downpipe because they lied or mislead you?

$600 shipped for an exhaust really isnt that bad.

Like I said, not trying to sound like an ass, but lifes a bitch, and just about every company has a cathc or are misleading just to get you in the door. Marketing is whats its called.

[eclimax13]

hey now...i was just informing other people, who were looking into buying this system of what im going through..i asked for nothing from magnaflow....im just stating the situation that i am and other might go through when ordering this system...magnaflow were complete dicks about it...performancepeddler was awesome about it.....i might even end up keeping the kit...cuz yes...it is a good price...but being mislead and lied to is not cool and if a company is pulling this bullshit...it should be known to the public...theres 3 other people on this site who were going to order this kit..

[absolutegtr]

hey now...i was just informing other people, who were looking into buying this system of what im going through..i asked for nothing from magnaflow....im just stating the situation that i am and other might go through when ordering this system...magnaflow were complete dicks about it...performancepeddler was awesome about it.....i might even end up keeping the kit...cuz yes...it is a good price...but being mislead and lied to is not cool and if a company is pulling this bullshit...it should be known to the public...theres 3 other people on this site who were going to order this kit..

I hear ya. In that case fair enough

So, did you receive the kit yet? Or you only ordered it?

My 14851 mufflers have been sitting in my closet for almost 2yrs now. I wish I just bought a whole system now, so I could just bolt it up....but then again 2yrs ago the Magnaflow exhaust was almost $1K

[eclimax13]

its on its way now...will be here tuesday...like i said..this thread was to warn others who i know were going to buy this system of the truth...i can still buy a downpipe and make out good..even buying yours which i am considering.., not sure based on the complaints ive heard about apr...

[absolutegtr]

its on its way now...will be here tuesday...like i said..this thread was to warn others who i know were going to buy this system of the truth...i can still buy a downpipe and make out good..even buying yours which i am considering.., not sure based on the complaints ive heard about apr...

The only problem with APR's exhaust was with their FULL systems and how the welds at the resonator/muffler had cracked.

BTW:

http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/...ct=1040&cat=21

[eclimax13]

im a 6 speed

[absolutegtr]

im a 6 speed

boo....IIRC though, the only difference is the hangar support, which could easily be modified/rewelded......if any.

its whatever though!

[darkstar]

Go thermal R&D and never look back!

[Chr1sJohnson]

I just ordered mine.. I dont think i'm going to get a downpipe, it's not really going to make that much of a difference with our cars with a stock turbo..

[B6Lovin]

^^^DING DING DING DING DING!!

don't worry about that half-a-HP loss from having the stock DP... you won't need a crazy free flowing exhaust until you're BT or bigger.

and by then you'll be going single 3 inch like me

[eclimax13]

I just ordered mine.. I dont think i'm going to get a downpipe, it's not really going to make that much of a difference with our cars with a stock turbo..

ya...ive come to that realization too...and for almost half the price of a regular exhaust, how can you go wrong....b5 owners were telling me how much of a difference they made with a downpipe but i guess the b6 is only 1/4" difference....theirs is 1.75" i think

[Lynch47]

I have had the MG 16601 since it was released. Cat Back Semantics aside, it doesnt have the Downpipe (I ended up getting Techtonics 2.5 downpipe).

I like this Exhaust, sounds great, added some performance. Best part Magnaflow (Through Hottexhaust) warrantied two systems, over a 3+ year period for Hanger weld issues. They were warrantied no questions asked, so Props to both companies for standing by the warranty/product at minimum.

[KareemA4]

I have had the MG 16601 since it was released. Cat Back Semantics aside, it doesnt have the Downpipe (I ended up getting Techtonics 2.5 downpipe).

I like this Exhaust, sounds great, added some performance. Best part Magnaflow (Through Hottexhaust) warrantied two systems, over a 3+ year period for Hanger weld issues. They were warrantied no questions asked, so Props to both companies for standing by the warranty/product at minimum.

How did it sound with out the down pipe?
And is the down pipe worth it?

[eclimax13]

How did it sound with out the down pipe?
And is the down pipe worth it?

im starting it wont...i was under the impression that the stock downpipe was a lot smaller than it is...its actually about 2.25" and an aftermarket is 2.50"...so on my k03...i doubt i would even see a difference on paper...i originally thought there were 1.75"..but thats on the b5

[KareemA4]

How big is our stock down pipe?

EDIT: never mind.

I want to get a test pipe, but it has to be chipped so that there wont be a check engine light
is there another way to make the test pipe work without throwing a code?

[Lynch47]

Sound: Great perfect IMO. Not to loud but just enough. Also off rev's its sounds really good deep Bass exhaust.

Downpipe: Sounds a little louder added a cool turbo spool sound as adv. power wise. I added a TT 2.5sleave cut mid/dwnpipe. 2.25 portions.

[KareemA4]

^^Thanks
and does it sound like the video?
or different?

[kevinGTB1]

Thanks for the info guys but Im in trouble in here. I am planning to buy a magnaflow catalytic converter nextweek. Anyone tried it here?Magnaflow Catalytic Converter. Thanks

[EBG 18T]

the price for this system it was less that $600. You can only expect soo much. The magnaflow product is decent quality and it should sound nice. You can always get the other part replaced down the road.

[BNZ TOY]

i am yet to find a system that includes a downpipe that comes with our cars. that being said, are you seriously angry about paying $589 for full stainless mandrel bent exhaust? the stock downpipe is not 2.25" it is slightly larger than that but not quite 2.5". with the 2.5" magnaflow setup it wont make a bit of difference, except maybe sound, if you get an aftermarket downpipe.

I believe my NS came with a DP.


::edit:: someone already listed the exhausts with 'real' DPs.

[Undisputed]

How big is our stock down pipe?

EDIT: never mind.

I want to get a test pipe, but it has to be chipped so that there wont be a check engine light
is there another way to make the test pipe work without throwing a code?

use anti-foulers.

[alexza4]

use anti-foulers.

non-foulers will take care the readiness but may or may not work for the MIL on. its a hit or miss thing...