Teaser...35r and SPA manifold

[317ssayzarc]

Just got my box with a 35R and SPA mani, no pics since Im at work but Ill post up tonite after I bolt it on

[pipe7284]

Baller!!!!!

[Don Supreme]

H20?

[Nebone]

Tonight or Tomorrow Jake. I want to hug it

[Beemer832]

what is this SPA manifold i keep hearing about? Is it a full race equal length tubular manifold? would it be GOOD for a gt3076?

[Seerlah]

SPA manifold. I would say it is good for any t3 turbo up to matye a GT35R. Anything past that, and one should be looking into full tubular manifolds.

[Don Supreme]

Teaser thread with no pics FTL

[mike-2ptzero]

SPA manifold. I would say it is good for any t3 turbo up to matye a GT35R. Anything past that, and one should be looking into full tubular manifolds.

Well only thing past a 35r with a T3 flange would be a T3/67(aka 37r), at this point no one makes a T4 flange manifold but I am working on that.

[Don Supreme]

Mike -- You don't need a t4 to go faster....

[mike-2ptzero]

Mike -- You don't need a t4 to go faster....

Most of the turbos I am looking at are T4 hot side. There aren't any T3 flanged turbos worth trying out on my car.

[Beemer832]

no he needs NOS... sorry we are hi-jacking jakes thread..

Jake: I tried VagCom again last night and still nothing. Gonna do some more research and see what I can come up with.

-josh

[317ssayzarc]

H20?

nope, standalone pawns me till two weeks from now

Tonight or Tomorrow Jake. I want to hug it

tonite

no he needs NOS... sorry we are hi-jacking jakes thread..

Jake: I tried VagCom again last night and still nothing. Gonna do some more research and see what I can come up with.

-josh

i dont give a fuck lol, i do it all the time

let me know where you get with the vagcom, i really want mine to work

[Don Supreme]

regarding the vag-com maybe you guys pulled down an updated over the past few months that causing a conflict with the driver software..

Just a thought.

[Don Supreme]

Most of the turbos I am looking at are T4 hot side. There aren't any T3 flanged turbos worth trying out on my car.

Run 40 psi on the gt35r...............................

[Das General]

I would think 40psi is probably out of its efficiency range.

[Militant-Grunt]

What made you go with that manifold over a full race?

[mike-2ptzero]

What made you go with that manifold over a full race?

He was in a hurry to get a manifold, he wanted to buy the full setup off my car but I wasn't ready to sell and there were no FR manifolds in stock at the time. From now on I will have 1-2 FR manifolds in stock at all times.

Run 40 psi on the gt35r...............................

LOL, that is way out of its map. The highest the GT35r can run within its map is 34psi on our cars, but the sweet spot is 32psi which is why nearly every person running a 35r is doing so at 32psi. Who do you know that is running 40psi on a GT35r?




At sea level
32psi = 3.17 PR
40psi = 3.72 PR

If your going to suggest running it at 40psi make sure you actually know what your talking about first.

[maxspeed]

TTITWWOP!!!!

[Don Supreme]

40 was a little bit of an exaggeration, but definietly higher than 32......

Didn't 034 run 40 psi (ON A MUCH BIGGER MOTOR) @ that event last year?

[Don Supreme]

After making 635 HP w/ Meth at 34psi
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=366080

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I wanted to see what C-16 and 38 PSI can do on The Shops Dyno..

38 psi...

[Don Supreme]

I have seen several gt35r and gt35r variants run boost approaching 40 psi.. So what the heck are you talking about? It might not be "efficient", but they still get some more power out of it.

[mike-2ptzero]

40 was a little bit of an exaggeration, but definietly higher than 32......

Didn't 034 run 40 psi (ON A MUCH BIGGER MOTOR) @ that event last year?

I thought they did but I seem to get 2 different stories from 2 different sources. One person says that it had a much larger turbo on the car pushing 40psi, another one said they saw a 35r under the hood while it was on the dyno for that event. So your guess is as good as mine.

Here is a picture of their car on the dyno at that event, let me know if you can figure out if that is a 35r or not.





More boost doesn't exactly mean more air flow if it means going from 74% effiency to 60-65%. Just like a K03 or K04 when pushed out of its map, you end up making more tq but really no agains in peak hp. That big jump in effiency on the 35r is going to have a huge effect on the IAT's.

[Don Supreme]

All I am saying is a LIGHT, FULLY BUILT RACE CAR like yours should be able to trap 140 MPH, with that turbo fully maxed out.

P.S. Are you running raceware head studs?

[mike-2ptzero]

I have seen several gt35r and gt35r variants run boost approaching 40 psi.. So what the heck are you talking about? It might not be "efficient", but they still get some more power out of it.

LOL, that is not a real GT35r. The HTA turbo uses the BW extended tip wheel, it can run up 44psi and still be in its flow map. Lets try sticking to a "real" Garrett GT35r which is what I have in my car. The funny thing is that at 32psi or less the HTA nearly exactly the same peak whp, not till both turbos are pushed to 40+psi(way out of the real GT35r map) do they see a gain while using that $1700 HTA 35r. My friend even runs a HTA 35r on his EVO and it puts down 480whp at 23psi on 100 octane and thats on a 2.3 liter not a 2.0.

[Don Supreme]

LOL, that is not a real GT35r. The HTA turbo uses the BW extended tip wheel and it can run up to 44psi. Lets try sticking to a "real" Garrett GT35r which is what I have in my car.

I can't remember or find @ exactly what boost this dyno was, but IIRC it was somewhere between 34-37 psi.

1.8t motor to boot..

[mike-2ptzero]

I can't remember or find @ exactly what boost this dyno was, but IIRC it was somewhere between 34-37 psi.

1.8t motor to boot..

Pretty sure he said 2.2-2.3 bar which is 32-34psi. That setup never even made it into a car. We already know my car is making more power then that.

Nearly every Evo owner that I know of running a real GT35r is pushing 32psi. There was one from a shop in norcal that was running in the BOTI event and he was running nearly exactly the same ET I run.

[317ssayzarc]

I can't remember or find @ exactly what boost this dyno was, but IIRC it was somewhere between 34-37 psi.

1.8t motor to boot..

Thats Bob Q's superflow engine dyno, he was testing all kinds of products on that motor, hence its nickname the "dyno mule"...

Heres a pic, Im going to go bolt it on

[Don Supreme]

They even gave you a set of nuts and bolts, how sweet...

No anti-surge cover???

[mike-2ptzero]

They even gave you a set of nuts and bolts, how sweet...

No anti-surge cover???

Dont need a anti-surge cover when running high boost, only when running very low boost.

[dougyfresh]

the problem with vag-com is Vista


35R on an SPS manifold is not ballin'.

35R on a Full Race tubular manifold is ballin'


Looking good Jake! Do I have to come over there and figure out Vag-Com for you?

[Poopie]

take off the passenger side engine mount to get the bottom manifold nuts...just a heads up.

[Don Supreme]

Dont need a anti-surge cover when running high boost, only when running very low boost.

Its the other way around. You are referring to boost creep with a small waste gate.

[mike-2ptzero]

Its the other way around. You are referring to boost creep with a small waste gate.

I know the difference, surging will cause an unstable boost reading while boost creep just keeps going up with the rpm. I have never had a surging issue running 25+psi.

[Don Supreme]

I know the difference. I have never had a surging issue running 25+psi.

I surged and I know a couple that have had the same issue once they cross the 20 psi line.

[317ssayzarc]

the problem with vag-com is Vista


35R on an SPS manifold is not ballin'.

35R on a Full Race tubular manifold is ballin'


Looking good Jake! Do I have to come over there and figure out Vag-Com for you?

yes, you really do...

[317ssayzarc]

take off the passenger side engine mount to get the bottom manifold nuts...just a heads up.

you cant be serious...

[djwimbo]

Sharing is caring, now where's mine?

That looks like a big step in the right direction, and looks B/A if you ask me.

[mike-2ptzero]

you cant be serious...

What were you expecting with a cast top mount manifold? There is just more material on the manifold which gets in the way.


BTW when you get a chance put it on a scale.

[djwimbo]

BTW when you get a chance put it on a scale.

What was the shipping weight on that assembly? 50+lbs?

[Poopie]

you cant be serious...

i am serious. its not as straightforward as you think. on the middle bottom runners, be sure to install the shorter studs cause the stock ones will hit. last time i installed this manifold it was with the rad support off and it was easy to reach in and get to all the nuts, but i had to take off the engine mount and reinstall it after tightening it all down.