So I think I broke my car installing my W/M Kit

[audiwop]

Help.....

Let me start from the square one. I started to install my meth kit today and felt as though everything was going fine. I followed the instructions on the diagram and took the advice from Jerbel (who knows his shit). the install went like this,
1. installed pump/tank in the trunk
2. hooked up pumps black ground wire to a good ground.
3. fed the red power wire from the pump to the blue wire from the controller.
4. took the black wire from the controller and put it to the same ground under the kick panel that i use for my boost gauge.
5. took the pink wire, installed the inline fuse and hooked it up to the 75x ignition fuse under the kick panel.
6. took green wire to the blue/grey wire on the MAP sensor located on top of the TBB.
7. hooked up all my hoses from the tank, I started with the tanks hose to the pump, the pump to the check valve, the check valve to the y-connector, and from there to the nozzels.
8. After this I forget to get meth, so I went out and got some washer fluid, and a bottle of HEAT..
9. I disconnected the ground wire on the pump so it would not be working when I went out to get the washer fluid, but the power light to the controller was lit up red, I just figured that the controller was getting power, and that shoud be ok as long as the pump was not....

On the way home from PePboys I started to here a ticking sound under boost, and my car felt like it was starving for power. One time under full boost my car wouldn't go over 10psi. This worried me so I got on it again a little bit and it went to its desired 23psi, but did not do it in a clean progressive manner, it felt like it was fluctuating all the way up...

Now I'm freaked out, I unhooked all power to the meth kit (both pump and controller), took the car for a drive, and it sounds like someone is throwing rocks at my motor. under idle it sounds fine, but under 1/4 throttle and up I'm hearing this horrible ticking sound and my maybe I'm freaked out a little, but i swear my turbo's are all the sudden louder than before..

Someone please HELP...... I have no clue as to what the hell could have happend

[2001S4NY]

are the nozzles and filters on the meth kit still in the pipes?

[audiwop]

I'm not understanding your ?, I'm new to this whole meth thing. I installed the nozzels and its looks like the screens on the nozzes are ok. But yes, they are still in there.

[AudiTechS4]

did you have any fluid in the tank for the pump to be pumping? if you disconnected the pump ground it should not work at all.

[audiwop]

Also, what filter are you referring to?

[audiwop]

did you have any fluid in the tank for the pump to be pumping? if you disconnected the pump ground it should not work at all.

No the tank was empty, that is why i disconnected the ground so the pump wouldn't pump dry..

[Dr. Jekyll]

When you drilled a holes for the nozzles, did you pull your bi-pipes out? If you didn't, you probably sucked pieces of plastic (or metal if you have an APR bipipe) into your engine.

[audiwop]

When you drilled a holes for the nozzles, did you pull your bi-pipes out? If you didn't, you probably sucked pieces of plastic (or metal if you have an APR bipipe) into your engine.

Ya I did pull them out.

[audiwop]

Could I have damaged my motor by driving with the controller working, but the pump off with no Meth going to the motor? I'm really worried that I did some internal damage.

[AudiTechS4]

hmm and the nozzles are completely intact ? not really sure what could have happened then ...

[AudiTechS4]

i dont see how you could have hurt anything with the controller on and nothing actually being pumped in

[audiwop]

Is it possible that the ticking sound that I'm hearing could be something from the check valve? I know I'm reaching here but the sound coming from the motor is bad, and the car feels like its down on power.

[Allaidback]

when you disconnected the ground wire from the pump, did you put electrical tape or something over the end of the wire? - still could be making a ground and activating the pump during boost - pumps can get really loud dry. Does it still make the noise with everything disconnected?

[JDM EJ1 95]

its definately not caused by running the meth kit..

you did the right thing.. the meth kit wasnt running.. even if the controller said it was.. there was no power to the pump.


GO OVER all your work. make sure you didnt make

"mess up some mundane detail" /office space quote

[audiwop]

its definately not caused by running the meth kit..

you did the right thing.. the meth kit wasnt running.. even if the controller said it was.. there was no power to the pump.


GO OVER all your work. make sure you didnt make

"mess up some mundane detail" /office space quote

Thanks JDM I'll double check everything today, but I thought "I got the memo" maybe I left something loose on a hose or something. What I'm worried about is when I was driving home from PePboys I got on it hard one time, at the top of 3rd I lost boost, and it wouldn't go over 10psi after that. Then I shut the car off, restarted it, and it would make boost back in the 21- 23psi range. But something doesn't feel right, or sound right with it. Is it possible that I could have a boost leak somewhere and still make that much?

[Dr. Jekyll]

Could be a boost leak. Check all the hoses you removed. Particularly the bi-pipes that go from the IC's to the TB, since you had them off. You might have just not clamped the hoses or TBB back onto them tight enough.

[AudiSportB5S4]

check the small little hose on each bipipe going to DV... that thing is a biotch sometimes. i take the L shaped hose off, remove DV completley and attach it to the top of the L while its out, so there is no gap of air possible. then attach to bipipe, then to Upper intake! check those!

[audiwop]

check the small little hose on each bipipe going to DV... that thing is a biotch sometimes. i take the L shaped hose off, remove DV completley and attach it to the top of the L while its out, so there is no gap of air possible. then attach to bipipe, then to Upper intake! check those!

Well Mike I wish that was the case. I figured out what happened and I'm going to be without a car for a while... After looking everthing over this morning it turns out that the worst thing that could of happened, in fact did. I took off the two bi-pipes, looked inside both of them, and walllaaa, one of the screen filters from the nozzle is missing from inside the driver side pipe. So now I start looking around some more and I see metal shaving all inside the top of the hose from the driverside I/C... The worst thing about all of this, I wasn't even the one who tapped the nozzle into the pipe. A buddy of mine did. So now the question is, how effffd up is my motor, turbo and god knows what else. Is there anychance that the screen and brass fitting made it through the exhaust valve? Is it almost garanteed my turbos are gone now? I'm so pissed off right now its not even funny. For once I was convinced that everything was going right with this install, and at the end of it all, it turned not even being my fault. I think I'm going to buy a minivan, that way I'm not even tempted to fuck with it...

[JDM EJ1 95]

to be honest.. you have issues.. the filter is probably stuck in the engine somewhere..

the screen filter shouldnt be able to even get into the bipipe... i dont know i think the nozzle was installed backwards

[audiwop]

to be honest.. you have issues.. the filter is probably stuck in the engine somewhere..

the screen filter shouldnt be able to even get into the bipipe... i dont know i think the nozzle was installed backwards

When you say issues, like how bad? Are we talking about time for a full rebuild now?

[Paulyworld1432]

Please post a picture of how the nozzles were installed, whether it was correct or incorrect, so that no one else makes a similar mistake! I hope everything turns out ok for you, if all else fails theres a few complete motors for sale on AW

[audiwop]

Ok give me an hour or so and I'll take some pics for you. You are right, we don't want anyone else to have this same mistake..

[Paulyworld1432]

Thanks very much I am planning on installing W/M Inj. soon and this would be very helpful. Was the nozzle backwards?

[audiwop]

Thanks very much I am planning on installing W/M Inj. soon and this would be very helpful. Was the nozzle backwards?

I wish I knew, the kit came in the mail, I gave it to my buddy and he installed the nozzle into an old set of bi-pipes that he had. What I can tell you is that after looking at it, it doesn't look right. On the pipe that still has all its pieces left, the hand filter screen is in the actual pipe. I have no clue what he did. I've never seen a meth kit before this week, I cant tell if he had the nozzles in the right way or not. When my wife gets home I will take pics for you guys to see.

[JDM EJ1 95]

the filter on the nozzle is supposed to be in the "L" fitting.

the side thats supposed to be in the bi pipe is just the side with the tiny hole.


the reason for the little screen is to filter the water going into the nozzle so it doesnt clog

[JDM EJ1 95]

THis is the correct way to install it.. if you had the filter screen inside the bi pipe it was wrong.

i have mad MS paint skillz


Shot at 2008-09-18

[JDM EJ1 95]

When you say issues, like how bad? Are we talking about time for a full rebuild now?

well anytime anything metal gets sucked into an engine or falls into a turbo you have bad news.. and it would be standard practice to tear it down and MAKE sure nothing is wrong..


i mean you can go ahead and drive it and pray it worked itself through the system and made it out without damaging anything.. but its really unlikely.

if it got sucked through past the throttle body i can almsot bet you have some sort of valvetrain damage/cyl damage not to mention it probably blew through the exhaust side on one of the turbos causing damage as well.

[audiwop]

the filter on the nozzle is supposed to be in the "L" fitting.

the side thats supposed to be in the bi pipe is just the side with the tiny hole.


the reason for the little screen is to filter the water going into the nozzle so it doesnt clog

Ya, he didn't do that, he put the filter after the tiny hole directly into the inntake pipe. So now I have a screen, a little screw, and a brass fitting flying through my engine. I just read the directions and no where does it say how to put together the nozzle using the filter or anything. It only tells you the obvious of how to screw it into the bi-pipe. Hands down the worst directions I have ever seen... I love the guys at vast, but the need to right up their own directions step by step of how to install every part of this thing.

[audiwop]

well anytime anything metal gets sucked into an engine or falls into a turbo you have bad news.. and it would be standard practice to tear it down and MAKE sure nothing is wrong..


i mean you can go ahead and drive it and pray it worked itself through the system and made it out without damaging anything.. but its really unlikely.

if it got sucked through past the throttle body i can almsot bet you have some sort of valvetrain damage/cyl damage not to mention it probably blew through the exhaust side on one of the turbos causing damage as well.

Ya that is what I was afraid of. I'm just going to park it for a few months and pay to get it fixed.

[generationjdm]

Theres instruction manuals on every injection site. I wouldn't say it was there fault or lack of, You should be 110% sure before u do anything.. It sucks this happened and i hope it goes smooth for you

[BurnAll4S4]

ouch dude, -1 for VAST i guess for being vauge. sucks. time to pull out the motor.

[generationjdm]

ouch dude, -1 for VAST i guess for being vauge. sucks. time to pull out the motor.

Right, lets blame them for someone installing a product backwards... Like i said if your not 110% sure on something dont touch it bottom line. Nice how you like to stir the pot on someone elses behalf haha

[BurnAll4S4]

im not stiring anything. yea its the installers error, but as he stated its because of being vauge. which is the truth.

[AMC]

Right, lets blame them for someone installing a product backwards... Like i said if your not 110% sure on something dont touch it bottom line. Nice how you like to stir the pot on someone elses behalf haha

dont u stir the pot on k04 threads, robs threads, etc.

anyways that sucks dude time for a fresh start

[generationjdm]

dont u stir the pot on k04 threads, robs threads, etc.

anyways that sucks dude time for a fresh start

OMG are you sure you guys aren't twins? Rob started the k04 thread and we were speaking to him, here his speaking for someone else.. If he thought there was something wrong or not confident he would of called Vast and they would of help PERIOD.

[AMC]

OMG are you sure you guys aren't twins? Rob started the k04 thread and we were speaking to him, here his speaking for someone else.. If he thought there was something wrong or not confident he would of called Vast and they would of help PERIOD.

nope not twins not even related what so ever(bummer), sorry btw you'll have a pm in a couple seconds

[audiwop]

Theres instruction manuals on every injection site. I wouldn't say it was there fault or lack of, You should be 110% sure before u do anything.. It sucks this happened and i hope it goes smooth for you

I in no way want anyone to think this is VAST's fault what so ever. The blame is all mine. The only thing I was saying is on the directions for their kit, and Devils own kit, no where does it say anything about a filter screen and how to install it. Untill today, I didn't even know a filter was used in the kit. Bottom line, I gave the kit to a guy that I have trusted with my car many times before, and had ZERO reason to believe that he didn't know how to put the nozzle part together. The blame is all mine and mine only... NOT VAST.

[JDM EJ1 95]

the instructions mention the filter. but just says to make sure the filter screw is tight.


your installer should really stop and think about things though especially if he is unsure.. why would there be a filter at the absolute end of the stream? the filter would obstruct any sort of attempt to atomize the liquid.

its a mistake.. we all make them live and learn.

its not vast's fault.. its not OPs fault... shit happens.. and yea.. it sucks. and truely i feel bad.. no one deserves to go through this no matter how stupid the mistake was.


GL man.. like thye said.. time for a fresh start..

[audiwop]

Thanks JDM, this truly does suck. For the last few hours I have been trying to find the silver lining with this, and all I can think about is at least now I have an excuse to get forged rods, new pistons and what ever the hell else I will need. Also, if the turbo's are shot, does anyone know how much I will be looking at to get them rebuilt? Christ this is going to be expensive...

[AudiSportB5S4]

wow that sucks man sorry to hear... let us know the outcome and post pix of how you had the nozzles when you get a chance. hope it works out for the best!