300hp Auto?

[butlerrd]

I'm still really new to Audi's got my car about 2 months ago. I want to start my project but I want to ensure I get the best advice. I read all the newbie guides but I don't believe my specific question was addressed: What would I need to do to get 300whp on my 01 1.8t auto?

I believe the faq says I would definitely need a tip chip, would I have to do something to the internals?

I say 300whp because it's a nice round number that I think I would be happy with as a daily driver. the local shop said I would be that happy with just a chip reprogram from giac....possibly. Eitherway, I've rambled enough, what do I need to specifically do and buy to reach my goal?

so far all I have is a k&n replacement and I have a 710dv I haven't installed, the diy doesn't cover 2001 models so as a side note anyone who can help with that please pm with instructions.

[Seerlah]

You can get 300whp with a GT2871r (you could reach those number with an eliminator kit and race file). To ensure not to damage the engine, you should upgrade the rods with integrated engineering rods and rod bearings. Or you could do scat rods with AEB pistons.

And I am currently watching a thread about transmission upgrades for the tiptronic. They seem to agree that the tip chip is a waste of money and suggest an alternate route. Here is the link.

For your turbo set up, you can go with full race or eliminator kit. There is still a group buy going on for the eliminator kit with everything that you would need, minus things such as engine mounts, exhaust, suspension, and ebc (you should already have a boost gauge and an afr gauge is highly recommended when going BT). Here is the link.

And you should be all set. There are of course other routes you can take. But if you want to go the GT Ball Bearing series route, this will get you there.

Edit: And that 710n should be sold and you should upgrade to maybe a Forge DV. I would only use that dv for a chipped/flashed ECU.

[butlerrd]

OK, maybe I'm biting off more than I can chew at this time, I'm thinking I may want to lessen my goal by 50-100whp :( I'm really not wanting to get that involved from the on set. I just want more power that's noticeable and not too much right now. I don't plan to go to the track or anything and I want to stay at 91-93 octane. Thanks for your input, it especially helped with making me realize I need to change my goal:)

[blacka4]

300 hp is possible. as long as you have 4-5K for the stage III turbo kit from APR and another 4-5K for a rebuilt transmission from IPT. I love my Auto 99.5 A4 and I am seriously thinking about buying the APR Stage III and installing it on my tip and eventually I know I will destroy the transmission and have already set aside 5K for the rebuilt one from IPT

[butlerrd]

And I am currently watching a thread about transmission upgrades for the tiptronic. They seem to agree that the tip chip is a waste of money and suggest an alternate route. Here is the link.

Also, I can't find that thread?

[ChescoS6]

OK, maybe I'm biting off more than I can chew at this time, I'm thinking I may want to lessen my goal by 50-100whp :( I'm really not wanting to get that involved from the on set. I just want more power that's noticeable and not too much right now. I don't plan to go to the track or anything and I want to stay at 91-93 octane. Thanks for your input, it especially helped with making me realize I need to change my goal:)

Well then you should be fine with just a chip, K&N, and maybe an exhaust. That should keep you happy for a month or 2

[Seerlah]

Also, I can't find that thread?

Sorry man. I was using that for a different thread and copied the wrong one. But here is the thread I meant to place a link to.

But yeah. Do moderate upgrades that would keep you content for the while. Chipped/flashed ECU, Exhaust, and High Flow Cat or Test Pipe. I would say it should bump you up maybe 30-40hp.

If you want 200-250whp, then you have more options. I was actually looking at this turbo on ATP. I was contemplating that if I were to blow my k03s, what would I replace it with as I would want an upgrade and k04s are just too expensive nowadays, if you could even find one. You may want to look into this route:

GT2560r aka GT28R. The site says it has a flow rate of ~310 chp. Take away ~25% for drive train loss and you should be able to get ~230whp on good tune and set up. More with a race file. I just don't know how readily files for these are available. It is a moderately cheap upgrade for a decent turbo set up. You would need turbo, tuning (whatever injectors the file calls for and the tune itself), an FMIC, upgraded dv, TIP, exhaust manifold (could even be able to still use the stock one), mbc, and custom exhaust (cat back exhaust and a hfc or tp).

[le91688]

300hp... but no fun to drive

buy a manual, you wont regret it

[blacka4]

who says you need to have a manual to have fun while driving???

[biketsai]

I would highly consider alot of things before you decide to upgrade your auto. 300AWHP is pushing it on the tranny, and for a tranny upgrade you better have some deep pockets plus someone to install it all for you. I drive an 01' T28 auto and yes its very fun but the last thing I wanna do is blow my tranny. There are TONS of threads on this on this forum and Ive practically read about everyone one regarding automatics and big turbos; the search button should answer most of your questions.

[djwimbo]

I can't remember his name right now, but there's another user with a 2871Elim on his Tip. and is pretty happy with it. I'm sure he'll chime in.

IMHO I wouldn't do it. I know the K04 has a killer torque spike, BUT we have a customer that has the GIAC K04 file (@19.5psi) and Tip chip, Turbo back exhaust, etc. and it's not worth the money. Go drive a stock S4 Tip and it feels the same, not worth the money.

NTM even with the Tip chip his trans slips/pauses @ 3800rpm, and it's only FWD.

[biketsai]

AudiRacerS4 has the gt2871r, but he does have a somewhat new tranny in his car and I believe it is now upgraded with some pieces from level 10 or IPT

[djwimbo]

that's the dude I was thinking of.

[le91688]

who says you need to have a manual to have fun while driving???

i do. Get a manual and you will understand.

[blacka4]

i do. Get a manual and you will understand.

I have a manual weekend car and get what your saying. But you don't have to push your views on others and say "you should have bought a manual if you want to make high power." Its bull shit. you can make high power in anything as long as your pockets are deep enough. The auto can be a fun track car, less turbo lag, and an easy drag car. <- this would be why you see most drag cars have autos or manual autos like the DSG in them. There is no way in this world you can beat a properly built auto in shifting. It just is not going to happen.

[le91688]

I have a manual weekend car and get what your saying. But you don't have to push your views on others and say "you should have bought a manual if you want to make high power." Its bull shit. you can make high power in anything as long as your pockets are deep enough. The auto can be a fun track car, less turbo lag, and an easy drag car. <- this would be why you see most drag cars have autos or manual autos like the DSG in them. There is no way in this world you can beat a properly built auto in shifting. It just is not going to happen.

moar like "you should have bought a manual car."

Make high power however but automatic is gay.

Fun track car?? Whats fun... you get to push the gas pedal?

[djwimbo]

Make high power however but automatic is gay.

Easy killer, this isn't vortex, .... or even the chatterbox.

you can make high power in anything as long as your pockets are deep enough.

...most drag cars have autos or manual autos like the DSG in them. There is no way in this world you can beat a properly built auto in shifting. It just is not going to happen.

first part is bolded b/c most of us don't have the funding. Everybody here wants to be able to put down 500AWHP on $15.02, that's not how it works. HOWEVER, I agree. There's a lot of things I can do IF I had the money. I would own a 600+HP S4 or even an R8, IF I had the money. As far as budget goes, manuals FTW. NTM less drivetrain loss, even though there are other benefits.

Second comment, I wouldn't say most. If we're talking Supra's then yes. I'll go as far as to say that many have a version of an automatic, but is no longer automatically shifted.

[biketsai]

Auto's arent gay. If you hate it so much then please come and sell my car FOR ME because its not worth the hassle (for me that is). Im happy of the way my car is!

[le91688]

Auto's arent gay. If you hate it so much then please come and sell my car FOR ME because its not worth the hassle (for me that is). Im happy of the way my car is!

I dont hate it.

And good for you.

[Seerlah]

Everybody here wants to be able to put down 500AWHP on $15.02, that's not how it works. .

Could not have said it better. Oh, I am also one whom fits that mold. As bad as it is :( But I am slowly building my savings for my BAT. It will take some time though.

[AudiRacerS4]

you dont need internals to run a 2871r elim and your auto tranny will be just fine

[t1demont1]

you dont need internals to run a 2871r elim and your auto tranny will be just fine

Hows your tranny holding up to the 2871r? Do you ahve anythign done to it to help it hold?

[Nebone]

Without neutral drops and "launch control by killing the torque converter" the tip should hold up fine.

DSG Automatics FTW. Regular Automatic/Tip ehhh but livable.

[biketsai]

I am a big fan of DSG, it is just AMAZING. Like F1 quick

[Pete@IE]

I'm not gonna lie, for drag strip usage, if you can get the automatic to live, they are king. The launch is awesome and they are SO consistent.

I just went for a ride in a big, big, big single turbo supra with a built automatic the other day and lets just say- holding full boost even on the shifts is amazing. (and more then just a little bit scary)

[biketsai]

The only problem is launching an auto. Any solutions?

[t1demont1]

The only problem is launching an auto. Any solutions?

higher stall.

[Pete@IE]

yep. High stall, and brake boost that thing way the heck up. Some guys use a little dab of giggle to get it out of the hole too. We were out at the track with our gti a few weeks ago and I was actually watching some diesel guys start brake boosting it before they even stage so it would have as long as they wanted to get on a boil...

Done right, they can be devastating.

[biketsai]

But I thought the upgraded torque converters will only get you to like 3500 rpm

[Don Supreme]

To the OP:

GTRS --- will do the trick... 300 CHP MAX...

I usually never recommend the GTRS, but in your situation it seems fitting.

[Nebone]

^ Low lag, power to redline and faster than manual shifts would suit him well.