What 55w HID kit should i get?

[Trev]

What 55w hid kit would you recommend? Ill be going with 5k for the low/fog

Im stuck between these three:
http://www.retro-solutions.com/audiworldGB.html
http://www.ddmtuning.com/hidkihidbuhi.html



Any other quality manufactures of 55w hid's?
Their all in my price range, just would like to know which one is better.

[Five1ohA4]

What 55w hid kit would you recommend? Ill be going with 5k for the low/fog

Im stuck between these three:
http://www.retro-solutions.com/audiworldGB.html
http://www.ddmtuning.com/hidkihidbuhi.html



Any other quality manufactures of 55w hid's?
Their all in my price range, just would like to know which one is better.

55watt ? I don't know but from some of the reviews I have been reading some people claim that the 55watt HID systems may get to hot for our lenses. Ive been looking to upgrade to HID also and it appears most people go with the 35 watt kits.

[goody6691]

i have the 55 w kit from retro solutions. love them. 6000k, get them now

[jbrown7815]

Sorry. Edited...

I'm just had a ballast go out, and am trying to figure it out.

[Trev]

Anyone have any experience with either the ddm or apexcone 55w kits?

I red somewhere you get a different output color between the 35 and 55w kits. Like if i had a 5k 55w kit in the lows and a 5k 35w kit in the fogs they will be different colors because of the light output. Is this true? if so, how much of a Kalvin difference is their between them?

[collegedude10]

interesting. what bulb type are our fogs?

[Gondi Stylez]

I have the Apexcone/DDM ones but haven't installed them yet. I'm using them for my fogs and the ballasts are TINY - ++!

I should get around to it this week so I'll let you know!

[Trev]

I have the Apexcone/DDM ones but haven't installed them yet. I'm using them for my fogs and the ballasts are TINY - ++!

I should get around to it this week so I'll let you know!

Apexcone and DDM are two different kits....

[infernocl]

55w HIDs look roughly 1000k lower than 35w units. my 6000k 55w looks more like 35w 5000k far less blue than VVME 6000k, but with ~30% more light.

[mxrz]

DDM > Retro Solutions.

[JMRQuattro]

^^ listen to the man, he knows what he's talking about

[speedydragon]

people in the b5 forum also choose ddm over the other brand.

[Gondi Stylez]

Apexcone and DDM are two different kits....

I ordered from DDM and the bill was from Apexcone

[Trev]

I just noticed on the DDM site both the ddm and Apexcon kits don't offer D1S for the low beam...? Am i missing something or is their another bulb that will work?

EDIT: Retro Solutions doesn't sell the D1S kit either....

[audi314]

Try giving Brian a call at Avalon Tuning. He carries 55w kits too.

[mxrz]

I just noticed on the DDM site both the ddm and Apexcon kits don't offer D1S for the low beam...? Am i missing something or is their another bulb that will work?

D1S is OEM, not aftermarket, although DDM does sell individual bulbs in D1S packaging. HIDconcept.com sells ballasts for D1S applications. D1S 55watt kits are super rare, or custom built (modding 35watt ballasts to output 50~75watts).

[Trev]

Is it possible to use a different style bulb such as the D2S? I'm leaning towards the DDM kit as they are much smaller then the other two.

[mxrz]

Is it possible to use a different style bulb such as the D2S? I'm leaning towards the DDM kit as they are much smaller then the other two.

Yes, you could get the DDM aftermarket kit with the D2S option, however, your xenon projector has a D1S bulb holder attached to it. You would have to take it off, and find a pair of D2S bulb holders for the Valeo projector.

[mxrz]

Or, if you're up for some ghetto modding, you can secure a D2S bulb in a D1S holder with a screw, like so:

[05A$SE]

im almost positive 6000k of color is 6000k regardless of watts. its a color measurement not an output.

[mxrz]

im almost positive 6000k of color is 6000k regardless of watts. its a color measurement not an output.

Unless it's a 50 watt specific 6000K bulb, he's right, aftermarket 35watt HID bulbs will colorshift down the Kelvin scale when overdriven at 50/55watts.

[collegedude10]

interesting. what bulb type are our fogs?

??

[Trev]

Unless it's a 50 watt specific 6000K bulb, he's right, aftermarket 35watt HID bulbs will colorshift down the Kelvin scale when overdriven at 50/55watts.

So this would be true if they were modified 35w ballasts to output 55w?
This i will have to investigate, neither site really list any specs.

[Chr1sJohnson]

Rikensport. These look AMAZING on our cars.

[Trev]

Or, if you're up for some ghetto modding, you can secure a D2S bulb in a D1S holder with a screw, like so:

So far this is looking like the only way to have 55w hid's.
Do you use the retaining clip at all or did you just remove it?
Does the D2s bulb seat in the housing correctly?

If you have more info or evan a right up on what you did to install them that would be great. I'm still a little fuzzy on the difference between the D1S and the D2S but it will probably become clear once i order them and get to compare the two side by side.

I think ill be ordering the DDM's

[mxrz]

Do you use the retaining clip at all or did you just remove it? Does the D2s bulb seat in the housing correctly?

The clip becomes useless, only the screw is holding the bulb inside the holder and yes, it fits no problem, and as you can see, perfectly lines up with the notch at the top.

I'm still a little fuzzy on the difference between the D1S and the D2S

[EBG 18T]

I just noticed on the DDM site both the ddm and Apexcon kits don't offer D1S for the low beam...? Am i missing something or is their another bulb that will work?

EDIT: Retro Solutions doesn't sell the D1S kit either....

all you have to do is ask Todd and he will get you the D1S bulbs in what ever temp you want. He is getting me a set of 35w D1S in 5k as we speak.

[Trev]

? Were talking about 55w

[jschrauwen]

The clip becomes useless, only the screw is holding the bulb inside the holder and yes, it fits no problem, and as you can see, perfectly lines up with the notch at the top.

Bringing back an old thread that I hope you're subscribed to.
Tech has changed somewhat since this thread began.
Correct me if I go astray along the way.
My A5 has D3S bixenons.
The D1S and D3S bulbs are basically identical in that they are a 1pc unit (bulb with igniter attached?
Cost replacement of either is still relatively high for both D1S and D3S?
There is no 50W solutions that apply to the D3S at present?
The D2S bulb is not like the D1S or D3S is clearly shown in the pic above. And they are also much cheaper to buy.
The trick is to fit a D2S into a D1S/D3S type of igniter/holder so it can be hled in place by the oem retaining clip?
Apparently there's a D1S/D3S socket/adapter/bulb holder that will accept a D2S bulb from here - http://www.xevision.com/hid_products.html But apparently it's not listed anywhere? :(
If that is true, is the plug connectors between the D1S and D3S the same shape/type? If so, then I could still use my oem igniter cable within my headlight housing?
Which would also mean I could use my original oem ballast?
If all of the preceding is true, then my next step would be to find a 50W ballast that's a direct plug n play replacement for oem ballast? Does such a beast exist?

So the end result would be;
A 6000k D2S bulb. (Osram or Philips)
A D1S (igniter) adapter
A 50 Watt ballast

[AutoMax]

Bringing back an old thread that I hope you're subscribed to.
Tech has changed somewhat since this thread began.
Correct me if I go astray along the way.
My A5 has D3S bixenons.
The D1S and D3S bulbs are basically identical in that they are a 1pc unit (bulb with igniter attached?
Cost replacement of either is still relatively high for both D1S and D2S?
There is no 50W solutions that apply to the D3S at present?
The D2S bulb is not like the D1S or D2S is clearly shown in the pic above. And they are also much cheaper to buy.
The trick is to fit a D2S into a D1S/D3S type of igniter/holder so it can be hled in place by the oem retaining clip?
Apparently there's a D1S/D3S socket/adapter/bulb holder that will accept a D2S bulb from here - http://www.xevision.com/hid_products.html But apparently it's not listed anywhere? :(
If that is true, is the plug connectors between the D1S and D3S the same shape/type? If so, then I could still use my oem igniter cable within my headlight housing?
Which would also mean I could use my original oem ballast?
If all of the preceding is true, then my next step would be to find a 50W ballast that's a direct plug n play replacement for oem ballast? Does such a beast exist?

So the end result would be;
A 6000k D2S bulb. (Osram or Philips)
A D1S (igniter) adapter
A 50 Watt ballast

Xevision makes 50w ballasts and those adapters you posted. You have to call and order, no online sales. Also their ballasts are for airplanes, youll have to have a notarized letter that says not for road usage lol.

Ask me how i know :D

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[diagnosticator]

Anyone have any experience with either the ddm or apexcone 55w kits?

I red somewhere you get a different output color between the 35 and 55w kits. Like if i had a 5k 55w kit in the lows and a 5k 35w kit in the fogs they will be different colors because of the light output. Is this true? if so, how much of a Kalvin difference is their between them?

Yes, this is true. 35 watt hid lamps will output a lower color temp in degrees Kelvin. I don't know how much the color shift is, it varies with the lamp chemistry and construction, my best guess is 500 to 1000 kelvin toward the yellow range.

[jacobsen]

Retrofit source has morimoto bulbs and ballasts with a 5 year warranty.

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[iksnoved25]

Heat won't be an issue for the lenses. HID bulbs already output substantially less heat than halogens do.

I'm using a 55w morimoto kit from TRS. Great customer support. I had a bulb start to go out on me of 2 years driving (about 55k miles w/ headlights on all the time). Worth the price and they replaced the bulbs and the canbus kit for free because mine was acting up.

[diagnosticator]

Bringing back an old thread that I hope you're subscribed to.
Tech has changed somewhat since this thread began.
Correct me if I go astray along the way.
My A5 has D3S bixenons.
The D1S and D3S bulbs are basically identical in that they are a 1pc unit (bulb with igniter attached?
Cost replacement of either is still relatively high for both D1S and D3S?
There is no 50W solutions that apply to the D3S at present?
The D2S bulb is not like the D1S or D3S is clearly shown in the pic above. And they are also much cheaper to buy.
The trick is to fit a D2S into a D1S/D3S type of igniter/holder so it can be hled in place by the oem retaining clip?
Apparently there's a D1S/D3S socket/adapter/bulb holder that will accept a D2S bulb from here - http://www.xevision.com/hid_products.html But apparently it's not listed anywhere? :(
If that is true, is the plug connectors between the D1S and D3S the same shape/type? If so, then I could still use my oem igniter cable within my headlight housing?
Which would also mean I could use my original oem ballast?
If all of the preceding is true, then my next step would be to find a 50W ballast that's a direct plug n play replacement for oem ballast? Does such a beast exist?

So the end result would be;
A 6000k D2S bulb. (Osram or Philips)
A D1S (igniter) adapter
A 50 Watt ballast

D2 and D1 can use the same ballast. D3 D4 can use the same ballast D2, D1 cannot be run on D3 or D4 ballast because the lamp voltage is different. 85 Volts AC for D1 and D2, 43 volts AC for D3 and D4.

[jschrauwen]

D2 and D1 can use the same ballast. D3 D4 can use the same ballast D2, D1 cannot be run on D3 or D4 ballast because the lamp voltage is different. 85 Volts AC for D1 and D2, 43 volts AC for D3 and D4.

Ahhh, I didn't know that. Good to know!! Thank you sir!
1. So, the option to utilize the oem 35W D3S ballast will not work because it cannot correctly drive the D1/D2 adapter with a D2S bulb because of the D2S voltage requirement of 85V?
2. Do all 4 share the same 4pin MQS connector to the igniter?
3. My only option would be to source a 35W or 50W ballast that has 85V output vice 43V output? (provided it has the correct 4 pin MQS connector?)

[ZipMeUpJ]

Moimoto

[noldevin]

I put the Morimoto 35w kit in my car and love it. Their projectors are awesome (I replaced my halogen projectors with their Mini H1 bi-xenons, it was quite easy). I think with their projectors you don't even need 55w, it's plenty bright.

[diagnosticator]

Ahhh, I didn't know that. Good to know!! Thank you sir!
1. So, the option to utilize the oem 35W D3S ballast will not work because it cannot correctly drive the D1/D2 adapter with a D2S bulb because of the D2S voltage requirement of 85V?
2. Do all 4 share the same 4pin MQS connector to the igniter?
3. My only option would be to source a 35W or 50W ballast that has 85V output vice 43V output? (provided it has the correct 4 pin MQS connector?)

1. Yes, that is correct.

2. Yes.

3. D1 and equivalent D2 systems use the 4 pin MQS cable connectors standard.

[jschrauwen]

1. Yes, that is correct.
2. Yes.
3. D1 and equivalent D2 systems use the 4 pin MQS cable connectors standard.

Thank you once again.
By asking what may be perhaps redundant questions, I've gotten a better understanding of these systems and how much similar and dissimilar they are.
It's also broadened my knowledge of certain terms and expressions which facilitated a better search process.
To those ends, I was able to find a D1/D2 adapter.
This adapter is the exact same size, shape and dimensions as the D1S and D3S igniter and has the 4 pin D2S MQS plug and uses a D2S bulb.
I've found a real 50W D2S bulb (Fatboy) made by Philips years ago and now discontinued but still available.
I've found a real 50W D2S ballast that when powering that 50W Philips bulb produces a minimum 5300 lumen at ~ 3900k.
The oem 35W D3S Philips bulb/igniter with oem 35W D3S ballast can produce between 2800 to 3200 lumen at 4200k depending on the bulb's age/hours.

I've also found that same D1/D2 bulb adapter in a 70W version that uses a D2S bulb.
There's also a corresponding true 70W D2S ballast.
Those two combined will power that same 50W Philips bulb to produce ~ 8000 lumens of light.

The caveat to all of this is to achieve much better light output in terms of lumens.
The D1/D2 adapter being the same shape as the D1S/D3S igniter allows this set-up to lock into place by the oem igniter clip into the light housing.
The plastic base of the D2S bulb has to be slightly notched to resemble the D3S base for those certain bulb alignment notches in the projectors base and it will snap right into place.
For the most part, the external visual looks of this set-up looks 100% oem and will fit 100% oem, including the mounting of the bulb, igniter and ballast.


I found all of this info on the HIDPlanet site.

[CyberPMG]

Silly question here. Since HIDs for our cars were meant to run at 35W power, would there be any risks of running HID bulbs at a higher power output (50/55W)? Surely it would shorten the life of the bulb and/or ballast? Issues of overheating? Would this cause problems to oncoming traffic?