BT/Big Power, BAT/insane power

[JK35]

Awww shit, why not just slap a GT45xxR on my 109 cid schnitzle-burner...

But seriously, as I'm trying to develop a feasible build plan for a high powered (and by my def of that, I am talking more power to the ground than the car can actually use) FUN to drive street brawler/occasional track/occasional strip Daily -get-my-ass-to-work& the grocery store kind of car

I know there are (and have been) more than a few who have made 550-600-700 and more on the B5 platform... My QUESTION is: at what point does reliability become compromised/questionable?

I have spent plenty of time in, under and about mine, and can deduct from my own 18+ years' mechanical experience, that this is a robust little car that should hold up well to modifications and subsequent beatings. What I'd like to know is at what level/power/situation do we expect to start twisting axles, grenading transmissions/diffs, damaging structural integrity of the chassis, -things of this nature???

I am planning on 450-500 AWHP, and while I treat all my built cars with respect and care, I drive the piss out of 'em nonetheless. -I am not one of these guys who builds his car for bragging rights or a sense of accomplishment, Rather I build 'em to drive hard and fast, all the time

Should I rethink my plans? or is there enough car here to treat it like a DSM/EVO?

[ShawFM]

Awww shit, why not just slap a GT45xxR on my 109 cid schnitzle-burner...

But seriously, as I'm trying to develop a feasible build plan for a high powered (and by my def of that, I am talking more power to the ground than the car can actually use) FUN to drive street brawler/occasional track/occasional strip Daily -get-my-ass-to-work& the grocery store kind of car

I know there are (and have been) more than a few who have made 550-600-700 and more on the B5 platform... My QUESTION is: at what point does reliability become compromised/questionable?

I have spent plenty of time in, under and about mine, and can deduct from my own 18+ years' mechanical experience, that this is a robust little car that should hold up well to modifications and subsequent beatings. What I'd like to know is at what level/power/situation do we expect to start twisting axles, grenading transmissions/diffs, damaging structural integrity of the chassis, -things of this nature???

I am planning on 450-500 AWHP, and while I treat all my built cars with respect and care, I drive the piss out of 'em nonetheless. -I am not one of these guys who builds his car for bragging rights or a sense of accomplishment, Rather I build 'em to drive hard and fast, all the time

Should I rethink my plans? or is there enough car here to treat it like a DSM/EVO?

I think axles are the least of your problems. Custom axles are only $450 a pair.
There are 2.0 liter build ups that is where I would start.

[1fstavant]

400 to the wheels and ive dded it for almost 10k now...knock on wood no problems so far

[AudiA4_20T]

FYI there really isnt anyone running over 600awhp in any Audi 1.8T

Anyway, watch out for your trans blowing, as long as the motor was put together well it should hold up. 500awhp on pump or race? Thats going to take a BIG turbo... IE 35R or bigger

[pipe7284]

like said before, for those numbers you need to start with the block. forged internals on a 2.0L stroke

[AudiA4_20T]

like said before, for those numbers you need to start with the block. forged internals on a 2.0L stroke

no need for a 2.0L, its all preference

[Jung]

FYI there really isnt anyone running over 600awhp in any Audi 1.8T

Anyway, watch out for your trans blowing, as long as the motor was put together well it should hold up. 500awhp on pump or race? Thats going to take a BIG turbo... IE 35R or bigger

what about mikept2zero? thats a 1.8t block techinically

[njm23]

mike has a 2.0L on race fuel making around that much power and is also running standalone..

[AudiA4_20T]

umm mike is making ~600awhp on C16, read my post again

[djwimbo]

no need for a 2.0L, its all preference

I find that funny coming from a guy w/ a 2.0L.

No, you don't need 2L of displacement to make >400whp, but it helps.

I know there's a handful of people that run standalones on their DD's or weekend cars, but that's where I draw the line. They can be really reliable and great potential, I just don't want one on my DD.

[AudiA4_20T]

I find that funny coming from a guy w/ a 2.0L.

No, you don't need 2L of displacement to make >400whp, but it helps.

I know there's a handful of people that run standalones on their DD's or weekend cars, but that's where I draw the line. They can be really reliable and great potential, I just don't want one on my DD.

lol... its true though, lots of people equate 2.0L=tons of power, but there are plenty of badass 1.8s... Either way, Id give myself a budget of ~10k

[1fstavant]

there is no need for a 2.0 at all i make 400 to the wheels at 26lbs on a 1.8 with only rods...plus look at hondas plenty are runn'n lots of power with 1.8 blocks...ur better off doing the head then buildng the block insanely....with head work id see well over 4

[AudiA4_20T]

there is no need for a 2.0 at all i make 400 to the wheels at 26lbs on a 1.8 with only rods...plus look at hondas plenty are runn'n lots of power with 1.8 blocks...ur better off doing the head then buildng the block insanely....with head work id see well over 4

wheres the dyno of the 400 run?

[1fstavant]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=225257...this was at watrfest this past summer 100+ out and only at 26lbs

[bassed]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=225257...this was at watrfest this past summer 100+ out and only at 26lbs

I wouldn't go touting about that being your 400whp Dyno and I've said this before, that dyno was beyond off. It was way low on stock numbers and then above, it was literally all over the MAP and the fact that torque crosses not at 5250, but 3400rpms to start and then back and forth and back and forth. This should be enough for you to realize that's not remotely close to being accurate You were also running about 106 with the C16 and 93 mixture you had going. Not trying to rain on your parade, just being honest. I'd really like to see what kind of CAPs you can pull. Are you going to H20?

[1fstavant]

you should get in touch with bob q...

but for a nice reliable car with tons of power....

scat rods
if you wanna do the block do it...
rebuild kit
raceware head bolts
cams
port and polish
3 angle valve job
any styl mani (mines from ebay)
turbo:
t3/4 50trim
3076
3082
over 5:
35r
holset turbos
fueling:
min. 630s
tune; tapp or revo... or standalone
fuel pres. reg
catch can
nice fmic
intake and misc piping
along with misc lines
heavy clutch and lightweight flywheel
wideband
boost guage
boost controller
wastegate

[AudiA4_20T]

380awhp isnt 400awhp but thats not a huge deal. The 50 trim should be able to get you over 400

[JumboBlack1.8]

You could also explore other turbo brands....not just Garrett.....others have had good success going with Turbotecnic (sp?) and, i remember seeing someone in in the B6 section going with a Bullseye turbo (can't remember much about it except for that name), but apparently its capable of some big power.

While the 2.0 isn't necessary to go over the 400whp mark, from what I've heard, you'll love ur decision to overbore once u feel the added low end torque......I don't know if i'd ever build a bigger BT setup, but if I did, i absolutely would go 2.0

[bassed]

You could also explore other turbo brands....not just Garrett.....others have had good success going with Turbotecnic (sp?) and, i remember seeing someone in in the B6 section going with a Bullseye turbo (can't remember much about it except for that name), but apparently its capable of some big power.

While the 2.0 isn't necessary to go over the 400whp mark, from what I've heard, you'll love ur decision to overbore once u feel the added low end torque......I don't know if i'd ever build a bigger BT setup, but if I did, i absolutely would go 2.0

The low end torque of the 2.0L is quite nice

[mike-2ptzero]

umm mike is making ~600awhp on C16, read my post again

My car has never used C16, my car runs on 110 to make that power.


As for the 2.0 vs 1.8, no you dont need to go 2.0 to make the same power but it does allow you to make the same power pushing less boost or less rpm. It really depends on the turbo. My friend runs a GT35r .63 a/r on his 2.3 liter stroker and he still hasn't been able to hit 600awhp pushing 32psi tuned on C16.



Here is my dyno sheet from early last year. Still waiting to put the car back on a dyno, might try to do that this week while I have a friends trailer. But here is what 2033cc, GT35r .82 a/4, 32psi boost and great tuning on 110 looks like.

[djwimbo]

there is no need for a 2.0 at all i make 400 to the wheels at 26lbs on a 1.8 with only rods...plus look at hondas plenty are runn'n lots of power with 1.8 blocks...ur better off doing the head then buildng the block insanely....with head work id see well over 4

Yea, but they get VTEC controllers ...

I agree with Ian, that dyno wasn't exactly ideal. I watched your pulls, and it looked/sounded amazing, but before I'd boast 400whp I'd get a second run to verify.
You did make me think again about a T3/T4 though.

[Wizard-of-OD]

like said before, for those numbers you need to start with the block. forged internals on a 2.0L stroke

And thats the reality of it.Unlike the 06A/06B engines,the AEB can be forged and stroked for roughly 1100US easy.

Having access to OBD-I and OBD-II ABA crankshafts make this possible.We will soon be offering lightened and machined IM shafts for the AEB motor.Hopefully this will encourage some of you to throw away that cast paperweight.

[dougyfresh]

OP.

It can be done. BobQ (qedpower.com) or 034 Motorsport can build you a solid motor. You'll want something a minimum of a Garrett GT35R or equivalent. You'll also need a custom tune and it can be done with the factory Motronic system. Its all in the tune.

[1fstavant]

honestly i think if ne thing it was lower than it shoulda been considering the cars ive raced...however all im gonna hear is where are the vids so ill wait till i get money and just put down more power

[andyrew]

What cars have you raced? 1fstavant?

[317ssayzarc]

And thats the reality of it.Unlike the 06A/06B engines,the AEB can be forged and stroked for roughly 1100US easy.

Having access to OBD-I and OBD-II ABA crankshafts make this possible.We will soon be offering lightened and machined IM shafts for the AEB motor.Hopefully this will encourage some of you to throw away that cast paperweight.

^^^shoot that man a pm, he will take care of you^^^

[1fstavant]

supra with a t78...beat him by about a car till 110 then he took me by maybe 3 cars

stg 3 s4 nogaro blue...by atleast two...she started by a car to two cars ahead of me and i had her by atleas two at the end

civic hatch at 350whp beat me by about 1 and a half cars

[Don Supreme]

Gosh, I hate when people say.. I am putting down 900 wheel horsepower and the actual dyno says 819 WHP.

I guess my 12.1 run was actually 11.7 ? huh?

[Vreihenmotor6]

I wanna see am A4 with an IHI roller bearing turbo stateside

[AudiA4_20T]

supra with a t78...beat him by about a car till 110 then he took me by maybe 3 cars

stg 3 s4 nogaro blue...by atleast two...she started by a car to two cars ahead of me and i had her by atleas two at the end

civic hatch at 350whp beat me by about 1 and a half cars

http://www.dragtimes.com/Toyota-Supra-Timeslip-375.html

[1fstavant]

my bad the conditions were not intirely worth wiled and im sure on a colder nite it woulda been a better run for you....my bad

[bassed]

supra with a t78...beat him by about a car till 110 then he took me by maybe 3 cars

stg 3 s4 nogaro blue...by atleast two...she started by a car to two cars ahead of me and i had her by atleas two at the end

civic hatch at 350whp beat me by about 1 and a half cars

Did you pull on the AMS shop EVO as well?

[dougyfresh]

Did you pull on the AMS shop EVO as well?

The 1100awhp one?

[1fstavant]

funny guy...got asked what ive raced and then i get flamed....this is worse then when i built the motor and everybody said id only get 300whp...oh well

so bassed what did u put down at waterfest....since u made up alot excuses but never posted...dyno was off yada yada yada...heat...

[317ssayzarc]

put it this way, im not one to flame but that supra wasnt USING that t78 like it was meant to be used... agreed?

[mike-2ptzero]

funny guy...got asked what ive raced and then i get flamed....this is worse then when i built the motor and everybody said id only get 300whp...oh well

so bassed what did u put down at waterfest....since u made up alot excuses but never posted...dyno was off yada yada yada...heat...

IIRC he put down 308whp and the car ran 13.6 on the track in the piss poor conditions. In better conditions his car should run mid 12's easy.

When are we going to hear about you running your car at the track?

[317ssayzarc]

IIRC he put down 308whp and the car ran 13.6 on the track in the piss poor conditions. In better conditions his car should run mid 12's easy.

When are we going to hear about you running your car at the track?

that was on straight 93 right?

[mike-2ptzero]

that was on straight 93 right?

I think it was 93 octane and his WI turned on. Just sucked that there was a nasty head wind when making the 2 runs on the track. I would still like to see what Ian's car can do in much better conditions and a little less weight.

[bassed]

IIRC he put down 308whp and the car ran 13.6 on the track in the piss poor conditions. In better conditions his car should run mid 12's easy.

When are we going to hear about you running your car at the track?

Correct. I was on 93 octane with W/M spraying. I won't even bother posting up the DYNO results because they are beyond off. They Torque and HP cross the first time at 2800 rpm's. That in itself is logic enough to deduce my numbers are off. This setup has so much potential in it still, it's just about time and getting the tuning to be there with the setup capabilities.

funny guy...got asked what ive raced and then i get flamed....this is worse then when i built the motor and everybody said id only get 300whp...oh well

so bassed what did u put down at waterfest....since u made up alot excuses but never posted...dyno was off yada yada yada...heat...

Like I said it's off, beyond off. It's not accurate and HP can't remotley be derived from a Torque curve that first crosses at 2800 rpm's, just like yours does.

I will however post this dyno of mine. 18psi on 93octane FYI. Notice 5250 When are you going to produce a CAPS time? Seriously when?

[Don Supreme]

very nice torque curve.