Discussion about the new M3, C63, IS-F and RS4.

[Auditude2.0T]

Has anyone honestly seen alot of any of these cars on the road. I remember when the old M3 came out they were everywhere. Now it seems like everyone moved to the RS4 and doesn't want to give it up. I have only seen 1 IS-F. 2 M3's and no C63's on the road. I have seen a good amount of RS4's though. IMO the new M3 may be the biggest bust in the M Divisions History. The C63 is just to plain insane to drive everyday and the IS-F is a JDM that is in a strictly German market. What are your takes on it? Is it just NY or are there just no new M3's and C63's on the road.

[CHECKERED]

well in Cali...I see lots of new M3's a couple C63...and only saw 2 RS4...here S4's and RS4 are super rare, that’s why I bought one...only recently do I see more and more IS-F’s.
I know on the east coast S4 and RS4 are more common, but here M3’s rule.

[JetBlue]

I do see more RS4's than any of the others right now. I think that BMW overshot the mark on the M3 with pricing. You can now negotiate $6K off a stick and $4K off a DSG car. I have only seen one C63 and two IS-F's here in North County. If all of these cars were in the 55-60K range there would be a lot more of them on the road.

[VVG]

Keep in mind that the RS4 was on the market in summer of 2006 so you are bound to have seen more. That being said, the one advantage the RS4 has over the other three is the level of control and safety when driven hard due to the quattro system. This shouldn't be underestimated. Most drivers will be able to hammer the RS4 and still keep the car composed in the way that you just can't with the other three without their stability control mechanism kicking in all the time or the car coming loose all the time.

In the end, however, all these cars are supercars. All of them are thrill machines, and all of them will be a blast to drive and own.

[nimski62]

Well....here in Hickville, IN i saw an RS4 CAB on the side of the road.. i pulled over to ask what happened and i guess the alternator belt snapped?

Anyways i also saw a c63 not too long ago.. thats about it for here

[littleredwagen]

the new M3 is a great car, but the majority of people that buy are not

[KareemA4]

^^haha
And a kid at my school has an IS-F
And a senior has an E92 M3

[01'A41.8T]

the new M3 is a great car, but the majority of people that buy are not

[dreamcar=rs4]

I see a bunch of M3's and RS4's in the Bay Area. But I've seen 3 IS-F's and 2 C63's. You can't go wrong with either car its all about personal preference.

[SoCalRS4]

I see a bunch of M3's and RS4's in the Bay Area. But I've seen 3 IS-F's and 2 C63's. You can't go wrong with either car its all about personal preference.

I think the recent bmw price increase has taken a lot of customers away. The IS-F has been a slow seller due to its lousy transmission, everyone is waiting for the new tranny without a torque converter and possibly a 6 speed if that ever happens. The RS4 also can be bough for ~55k with low mileage on the current market. Also location is a big factor, because a lot of people will get audis in areas that receive various weather curves. In SoCal like myself sold the rs4 because its boring to drive out here when we receive .0000006 inches of rain a year. So having that RWD is tons of fun, but rain drifting in the rs4 will never be forgotten.

[Sharkfin]

I've seen no RS4's, a few M3's, no c63's, and only one blue IS-F. I'm thinking BMW people are loving the older Ms until the bugs are worked out and the IS-F hasn't been that mass produced yet, RS4's are not all over dealerships either. I guess it all depends on where you live

[CanuckRS]

Only seen one IS-F so far, and it was a couple cougars presumably using their divorce settlement money for a new ride ;) Made me glad to have an RS4.

[S4DTM]

In Nor-Cal, I see a new M3 pretty much every day (saw two in the same parking lot the other day). I've seen a good number of C63s (saw a truckload on I680 the other day), and I've seen 3 IS-Fs overall. The IS-F is just an ugly car, so I don't expect to see many, haha. Actually scoped one out the other day that was next to me and he was lookin over at me at the same time...not a fan at all of the rear of that car. But ya, I'm positive that within a year or two, you will be seeing those 3 cars everywhere! As for the RS4, I see maybe one every three monthes

[PenguiN]

I completely disagree that the new M3 is a bust. It certainly performs better than the RS4, looks awesome, and is cheaper. the IS-F also outperforms the RS4, BUT I do agree that it is a JDM car in a German market... basically a poser. The only reason you don't see many M3s cause they are still very new, and there aren't that many people heading out to purchase a 65k car. Give it time they will be everywhere. Don't forget the RS4 has been out 3 years longer than the new M3

[4nroots]

Different strokes for different folks. The M3 is an incredible engineering achievement, the best one on a track. The RS4 is the most refined and the easiest to operate (I'm talking about stuff like I-Drive etc..). The IS-F represents the top of the food chain for guys that love the idea of a Japanese M3 imitator (I used to be one of those guys). My personal choice is the C63. It's like a caged lion just waiting to be unleashed (read dangerous yet thrilling). And it makes the best noise of the lot.

I really love Jeremy Clarkson's quote when Top Gear tested the 3 German cars, he called the M3 Sublime, the RS4 Civilized, and the C63 Insane.

Here is the link if anybody hasn't seen it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq5r5...eature=related

[91gl]

well in Cali...I see lots of new M3's a couple C63...and only saw 2 RS4...here S4's and RS4 are super rare, that’s why I bought one...only recently do I see more and more IS-F’s.
I know on the east coast S4 and RS4 are more common, but here M3’s rule.

not true, you see alot more m3s around the east coast. i see mor enew m3's than i do any generation s4/rs4 combined.

[S4DTM]

I completely disagree that the new M3 is a bust. It certainly performs better than the RS4, looks awesome, and is cheaper. the IS-F also outperforms the RS4, BUT I do agree that it is a JDM car in a German market... basically a poser. The only reason you don't see many M3s cause they are still very new, and there aren't that many people heading out to purchase a 65k car. Give it time they will be everywhere. Don't forget the RS4 has been out 3 years longer than the new M3

Hmmm...i disagree for the most part. True, in the hands of professional drivers on a closed road or track, the M3 may outperform the RS4 (ya, I've seen all the videos from Top Gear, Automobile Mag, etc.). The IS-F comes close, but even in those types of situations the RS4 tends to be pretty even with the Lexus. HOWEVER, you put all of these cars in the hands of normal drivers, and take them to the Napa or Santa Cruz backroads I guarantee the RS4 takes the cake. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that my S4 would put a pretty heavy beating on both the M3 and IS-F. We should talk performance from an everyday driver standpoint, not a professional and/or track situation IMHO. All nice cars, but still...I'd take the RS4 any day

[Auditude2.0T]

Hmmm...i disagree for the most part. True, in the hands of professional drivers on a closed road or track, the M3 may outperform the RS4 (ya, I've seen all the videos from Top Gear, Automobile Mag, etc.). The IS-F comes close, but even in those types of situations the RS4 tends to be pretty even with the Lexus. HOWEVER, you put all of these cars in the hands of normal drivers, and take them to the Napa or Santa Cruz backroads I guarantee the RS4 takes the cake. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that my S4 would put a pretty heavy beating on both the M3 and IS-F. We should talk performance from an everyday driver standpoint, not a professional and/or track situation IMHO. All nice cars, but still...I'd take the RS4 any day

Thank You!! You are 1000% Correct. I know that most people can't launch RWD, Can't handle Rear Wheel Drive and a hell of a lot of people can't even drive manual great. In the RS4 not being great is made up with plenty of power that is all put to the ground with no nonsense burnouts. A mediocre driver in a new M3 couldn't even out launch me in my A4 i had him to 60 every time obviously off the roll he would hand me my ass but it just goes to show its all driver and in the RS4 you can be a little less of a driver and still get the same results.

[91gl]

Hmmm...i disagree for the most part. True, in the hands of professional drivers on a closed road or track, the M3 may outperform the RS4 (ya, I've seen all the videos from Top Gear, Automobile Mag, etc.). The IS-F comes close, but even in those types of situations the RS4 tends to be pretty even with the Lexus. HOWEVER, you put all of these cars in the hands of normal drivers, and take them to the Napa or Santa Cruz backroads I guarantee the RS4 takes the cake. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that my S4 would put a pretty heavy beating on both the M3 and IS-F. We should talk performance from an everyday driver standpoint, not a professional and/or track situation IMHO. All nice cars, but still...I'd take the RS4 any day

in the hands of a normal driver your s4 would understeer itself into the ditch before the m3 driver oversteers his. sorry but it is the truth, the new m3 is hugely capable and is the most capable m3 ever. maybe not the most fun or driver involving, but definetely the most capable. also the most driver friendly m3 in years and you heard the hamster himself, anyone with two fists of ham can hold a slide with it's brilliant new M differential. so before you go and ridicule it for not being "normal person friendly" cuz of its rwd, please remember that your s4 is not exactly track friendly with that big lump hanging over the front wheels and would stand no chance against it on a track.

[ghoonk]

Oddly enough, when I was deciding between my RS4 and the new M3, the reason I went for the RS4 was the AWD (roads are dusty/sandy where I live), and the low-end grunt that goes all the way to 8000 rpm, something that I found more usable in daily driving.

The new M3 reminded me a lot of my S2000 -- great engine, howls like a banshee, but needs to be wrung out at higher rpms (compared to the RS4).

Just my observation

[CanuckRS]

Oddly enough, when I was deciding between my RS4 and the new M3, the reason I went for the RS4 was the AWD (roads are dusty/sandy where I live), and the low-end grunt that goes all the way to 8000 rpm, something that I found more usable in daily driving.

The new M3 reminded me a lot of my S2000 -- great engine, howls like a banshee, but needs to be wrung out at higher rpms (compared to the RS4).

Just my observation

RS4 needs to be driven above 5K rpm to have a really good time. BMW copied this for their new M3. Cars are pretty similar, one is not substantially better than the other regardless of what the neanderthals say on here. Choose based on style/AWD requirements/price/ and the gut feeling you have. If you want something exclusive that you don't see on the road very often, go RS4. If you don't mind M3 sightings every day, go that route. Simple choice really.

[S4DTM]

so before you go and ridicule it for not being "normal person friendly" cuz of its rwd, please remember that your s4 is not exactly track friendly with that big lump hanging over the front wheels and would stand no chance against it on a track.

I'm not ridiculing RWD at all, I know a good amount of people who prefer it. What I was trying to say was that in non-track conditions, I think the RS4 is a much more controllable car than any of the other 3. I realize that my car wouldn't have a chance on the track against the M, and neither would the RS4 more than likely, but that's the track. Most people don't track on a normal basis, so thats why I said "everyday driver." Also, sliding the M is probably very easy to do and fun as well, but in hairpin turns where theres not much room for error, I don't think sliding a turn is ideal. Again, this is just my opinion, its not that I don't like the M3, but I think the RS4 is a better car for the roads (not for the track).

[PenguiN]

Hmmm...i disagree for the most part. True, in the hands of professional drivers on a closed road or track, the M3 may outperform the RS4 (ya, I've seen all the videos from Top Gear, Automobile Mag, etc.). The IS-F comes close, but even in those types of situations the RS4 tends to be pretty even with the Lexus. HOWEVER, you put all of these cars in the hands of normal drivers, and take them to the Napa or Santa Cruz backroads I guarantee the RS4 takes the cake. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that my S4 would put a pretty heavy beating on both the M3 and IS-F. We should talk performance from an everyday driver standpoint, not a professional and/or track situation IMHO. All nice cars, but still...I'd take the RS4 any day

My god... I thought Bimmer drivers had their heads stuck up their ass... What you are saying makes you look very ignorant. What you just said makes you sound like you are bitter about a car that was engineered so well that does better than your favorite car. The nose heavy, underpowered, outdated S4 will beat the new M3 on public roads with normal drivers, do you mean during a snow storm or hurricane?! You need to kill the ignorance and realize that the M3 outperforms the hell out of the RS4 in every perspective let alone the S4. I dont know what you consider a normal driver to be, and I also don't know why it makes such a difference that it's on a "closed course" or not. Obviously if you are racing against a 65 year old woman then obviously you will outperform. I am talking about two drivers with the same driving experience. Facts are facts and no matter what you do, your S4 will never outperform the E90 M3, possibly even with the supercharger. The RS4 has been beat in every test compared to the m3, and that includes acceleration, braking, skidpad, track times, and slalom. The IS-F is also on the same level and also beats the RS4... Although the RS4 is aesthetically nice and has a very nice interior, it is also a very good performing car, just not as good as the competition. Keep in mind that all of those cars cost less as well. I don't know why anyone would purchase the RS4 (if AWD is not necessary) over those cars that outperform it. the M3, C63, IS-F, and RS4 are flagship cars built for serious performance, and the main reason people buy those cars are strictly for performance reasons, if not then you can just go get a 335, c300, is350, or A4 and they pretty much do the same thing but with much less performance figures.

I'm not a hardcore audi fan, and especially with the problems Ive been encountering with my S4, I might never drive an Audi again. Maybe i've just been unlucky with this car. I appreciate all cars, and if there is something superior, then it needs to be appreciated. I am in no way in debt to Audi so Im not sure why people defend the company like it's their own. BMW, Benz, Audi, Lexus are all great companies and there are a lot of excellent cars engineered by each and every one of them, but if there is a car that is made for raw performance, like the M3, it needs to be recognized.

[PenguiN]

RS4 needs to be driven above 5K rpm to have a really good time. BMW copied this for their new M3. Cars are pretty similar, one is not substantially better than the other regardless of what the neanderthals say on here. Choose based on style/AWD requirements/price/ and the gut feeling you have. If you want something exclusive that you don't see on the road very often, go RS4. If you don't mind M3 sightings every day, go that route. Simple choice really.

BMW copied?!?... i think Audi copied the E46 that had a very high reving motor.

[PenguiN]

Thank You!! You are 1000% Correct. I know that most people can't launch RWD, Can't handle Rear Wheel Drive and a hell of a lot of people can't even drive manual great. In the RS4 not being great is made up with plenty of power that is all put to the ground with no nonsense burnouts. A mediocre driver in a new M3 couldn't even out launch me in my A4 i had him to 60 every time obviously off the roll he would hand me my ass but it just goes to show its all driver and in the RS4 you can be a little less of a driver and still get the same results.

I think what you mean is RS4=granny car M3=Drivers car ... I highly doubt your A4 will ever out launch a e90 m3, maybe the first 6 feet. Let me educate you on something. there is a little thing called launch control made for exactly the people you are talking about who cant launch a RWD car for the life of it.

[i_eat_staples]

rs4 = granny car

think thats the first time i've heard that lol

[S4DTM]

My god... I thought Bimmer drivers had their heads stuck up their ass... What you are saying makes you look very ignorant. What you just said makes you sound like you are bitter about a car that was engineered so well that does better than your favorite car. The nose heavy, underpowered, outdated S4 will beat the new M3 on public roads with normal drivers, do you mean during a snow storm or hurricane?! You need to kill the ignorance and realize that the M3 outperforms the hell out of the RS4 in every perspective let alone the S4. I dont know what you consider a normal driver to be, and I also don't know why it makes such a difference that it's on a "closed course" or not. Obviously if you are racing against a 65 year old woman then obviously you will outperform. I am talking about two drivers with the same driving experience. Facts are facts and no matter what you do, your S4 will never outperform the E90 M3, possibly even with the supercharger. The RS4 has been beat in every test compared to the m3, and that includes acceleration, braking, skidpad, track times, and slalom. The IS-F is also on the same level and also beats the RS4... Although the RS4 is aesthetically nice and has a very nice interior, it is also a very good performing car, just not as good as the competition. Keep in mind that all of those cars cost less as well. I don't know why anyone would purchase the RS4 (if AWD is not necessary) over those cars that outperform it. the M3, C63, IS-F, and RS4 are flagship cars built for serious performance, and the main reason people buy those cars are strictly for performance reasons, if not then you can just go get a 335, c300, is350, or A4 and they pretty much do the same thing but with much less performance figures.

I'm not a hardcore audi fan, and especially with the problems Ive been encountering with my S4, I might never drive an Audi again. Maybe i've just been unlucky with this car. I appreciate all cars, and if there is something superior, then it needs to be appreciated. I am in no way in debt to Audi so Im not sure why people defend the company like it's their own. BMW, Benz, Audi, Lexus are all great companies and there are a lot of excellent cars engineered by each and every one of them, but if there is a car that is made for raw performance, like the M3, it needs to be recognized.

Wow! Easy there big guy! I wasn't making an agressive statement towards anyone, and you calling me ignorant for something that I specifically stated as "my own opinion" is the definition of ignorant. I'm not trying to undermine the M3, C63, or IS-F, and I understand that they are all great cars. I'm sorry you have had a bad experience with your Audi, but thats your own issue. YES, THE M3 IS A GREAT PERFORMANCE CAR! I understand that, so repeating it over and over isn't going to make me any more into the car. The fact of the matter is, I'm not bitter at all about the car I bought, I'm very happy with my decision, and I would buy this car over the M3 all over again (but that's for my own reasons). Mercedes has a HUGE problem with reliability, doesn't sell their cars in a manual, and a new AMG part will cost you way more than you'll want to pay. The Lexus is a great performance machine, the look is just ugly IMHO. And the M3 has one of the best engines I've seen, I'm not a fan of the body, but I give the performance huge points. My point has been, that I truely don't believe someone who goes out and buys this car without a lot of road course experience could keep up with the RS4 in the curves. Sure, on a track it would beat it, ya on (most) 0-60s, the M3 wins by a 10th of a second or so. And as for my car, ya it's heavy, can have a good amount of understeer, and is a little underpowered (although I still question when 340hp became a small number)...but it's fun as hell to drive and I'm pretty sure that's all that matters when you buy a car. I looked at the M3 when I bought my car, and didn't like the exterior or interior as much, so I went with the S4. Can't afford an RS yet, so had to settle. As for the "snow storm or hurricane," just a little rain would make a difference, but that's not what I was referring to. I too appreciate all cars, although I am a huge Audi fan, but once again I don't disrespect any of these cars. So, if you're going to tell me my "head's stuck up me ass" for stating my opinion (which others agree with), then that's you're opinion, but don't bring it to the forums. We're all here to talk about cars, not insult eachother.

[PenguiN]

Wow! Easy there big guy! I wasn't making an agressive statement towards anyone, and you calling me ignorant for something that I specifically stated as "my own opinion" is the definition of ignorant. I'm not trying to undermine the M3, C63, or IS-F, and I understand that they are all great cars. I'm sorry you have had a bad experience with your Audi, but thats your own issue. YES, THE M3 IS A GREAT PERFORMANCE CAR! I understand that, so repeating it over and over isn't going to make me any more into the car. The fact of the matter is, I'm not bitter at all about the car I bought, I'm very happy with my decision, and I would buy this car over the M3 all over again (but that's for my own reasons). Mercedes has a HUGE problem with reliability, doesn't sell their cars in a manual, and a new AMG part will cost you way more than you'll want to pay. The Lexus is a great performance machine, the look is just ugly IMHO. And the M3 has one of the best engines I've seen, I'm not a fan of the body, but I give the performance huge points. My point has been, that I truely don't believe someone who goes out and buys this car without a lot of road course experience could keep up with the RS4 in the curves. Sure, on a track it would beat it, ya on (most) 0-60s, the M3 wins by a 10th of a second or so. And as for my car, ya it's heavy, can have a good amount of understeer, and is a little underpowered (although I still question when 340hp became a small number)...but it's fun as hell to drive and I'm pretty sure that's all that matters when you buy a car. I looked at the M3 when I bought my car, and didn't like the exterior or interior as much, so I went with the S4. Can't afford an RS yet, so had to settle. As for the "snow storm or hurricane," just a little rain would make a difference, but that's not what I was referring to. I too appreciate all cars, although I am a huge Audi fan, but once again I don't disrespect any of these cars. So, if you're going to tell me my "head's stuck up me ass" for stating my opinion (which others agree with), then that's you're opinion, but don't bring it to the forums. We're all here to talk about cars, not insult eachother.

My statement wasn't to offend you but I guess you made your point. One more thing, 0-60 times don't mean a thing... It's just a marketing scheme. A car's true acceleration test is time/distance not time/speed. So if you look at 1/4 mile, the M3 hands it big time. I have personally been with a couple of friends who own M3 and RS4, and watching them drag from 30 mph, the M3 pulls real hard and has about 5-7 car lengths on the RS by 120. Having driven both, the M feels significantly more powerful and feels a lot more nimble. I am also an audi guy obviously since I bought the S4. I really love my car but I seem to have some kind of problem with it almost every month. I too could have purchased the M3 but I really can't stand the BMW crowd as they are all stuck up punks who are all about brand name. Im sorry If I offended you but there are some guys in here who are way too hardcore audi fans and they seem to have a case of tunnel vision, like they have been brainwashed from audi. nice car BTW

[PenguiN]

rs4 = granny car

think thats the first time i've heard that lol

thats not what I think, but that is what that guy was basically saying. He acts like the M3 is some super complicated time machine that is so "hard to drive" ... If someone can't handle a RWD car, they shouldn't be screwing around with anything on any public roads, even AWD.

[CanuckRS]

Don't get ur knickers in a twist S4DTM, Penguin is a regular RS4 basher/M3 lover here...take it all with a grain of salt ;)

[PenguiN]

Don't get ur knickers in a twist S4DTM, Penguin is a regular RS4 basher/M3 lover here...take it all with a grain of salt ;)

What??? RS4 Basher?? First off, I've never even seen you on here. Secondly, since you've gotten so butthurt over this, I specifically stated that I appreciate the RS4. My response's were to the people who said that the M3 was made for professional drivers, and that if there are two "normal drivers" even the S4 would hand it to the M3. I guess to people like you who live and swear by Audi. I'm not bashing the RS4 at all - obviously since I own an S4. I do however think the RS4 is overpriced and there are better performing cars out there that not only cost less, but offer the same if not more ergonomics, luxury, comfort, etc.. I also understand that you own an RS4 and you've clearly been offended by my comments, which happen to be facts not opinions.

I also clearly stated that I considered the M3 when buying the S4, so I guess that does make me an M3 lover since I don't own one?!?!

[Auditude2.0T]

lol on the BMW Forum they want an RS4 and on the Audi forum they want an M3. WTF?
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=530822

[PenguiN]

Well I would take the RS4 over the M3 cause it looks nicer, But i think it is a bit overpriced

[xtort44]

Hey my fave 17 year old (Auditude2.0T) is still trolling it seems... Ever get those optimistic "dyno" results or 1/4 mile times? You say you've been crazy busy yet still found time to install a new front end. Get some more of daddys cash and show us some results already.

Fun read below:
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229374

[RAudi Driver]

[Auditude2.0T]

Hey my fave 17 year old (Auditude2.0T) is still trolling it seems... Ever get those optimistic "dyno" results or 1/4 mile times? You say you've been crazy busy yet still found time to install a new front end. Get some more of daddys cash and show us some results already.

Fun read below:
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229374

Im going to the Track Friday if it doesn't rain. Its not daddy's money bud, i work full time after school ever since i got my working papers. No need to make a stupid generalization.

[iamproph]

All things aside, this is a very exciting time for car enthusiasts I think everyone would agree upon. With prices dropping on cars people once thought they couldnt buy, just look at S4's and E46 M3's, people are really getting into the market of some excellent cars. For me, though, thanks for making this thread, I think I found my next car! I hadnt even heard of the C63 before, and once I looked it up I was amazed. I personally think it looks amazing, obviously the performance is there, and according to Mercedes website the base starts at 55k, are YOU KIDDING ME? Who would have thought they could pick up a new AMG for 55k. Now I must find a way to get me that money....... hmmmm

[xtort44]

I think what you mean is RS4=granny car M3=Drivers car ... I highly doubt your A4 will ever out launch a e90 m3, maybe the first 6 feet. Let me educate you on something. there is a little thing called launch control made for exactly the people you are talking about who cant launch a RWD car for the life of it.

PenguiN he has the fastest 2.0T ever!

[b00st]

i haven't seen or drove a C63 yet or the M3 for that matter. i've seen the m3 and one white IS-F.

now having gone to the taste of lexus event where we they put us on a small road course testing the IS350, 250, GS350 and 450h. Which was fun cuz they pit us against professional instructors...mad skillz which one of the instructors was mario andrettis newphew, who currently races something or other...but mad skillz. anyways...then came the real fun...we got to take the IS-F out ourselves to drive on an actual road course...an instructor was the lead car...we had a walkie-talkie in the car that he would give us instructions on how to drive the course...we got to beat on them or so i thought. then we got to go for a real ride driven by the instructors....all i can say it was one of the funnest times ever. best time of my life...and we rolled 4 deep in this car....they beat the piss out of the IS-F. so instructor + 3 in a car....and drove that puppy to the max...points which i thought the car would tip or we'd lose it. pushed it so hard....i loved it...i was laughing in the back the whole time....it was so fun. but it also changed my opinion of the car. which was the whole marketing idea. but i gotta give the IS-F props...it hauled ass even with 4 people in the car....pushed to the limits and it could brake, accel, turn with the best of them. this event was much better than the audi events that they hold. audi needs to take notes and have them do the same thing. with the RS4 on a real road course and show people what it can do.

[PenguiN]

i haven't seen or drove a C63 yet or the M3 for that matter. i've seen the m3 and one white IS-F.

now having gone to the taste of lexus event where we they put us on a small road course testing the IS350, 250, GS350 and 450h. Which was fun cuz they pit us against professional instructors...mad skillz which one of the instructors was mario andrettis newphew, who currently races something or other...but mad skillz. anyways...then came the real fun...we got to take the IS-F out ourselves to drive on an actual road course...an instructor was the lead car...we had a walkie-talkie in the car that he would give us instructions on how to drive the course...we got to beat on them or so i thought. then we got to go for a real ride driven by the instructors....all i can say it was one of the funnest times ever. best time of my life...and we rolled 4 deep in this car....they beat the piss out of the IS-F. so instructor + 3 in a car....and drove that puppy to the max...points which i thought the car would tip or we'd lose it. pushed it so hard....i loved it...i was laughing in the back the whole time....it was so fun. but it also changed my opinion of the car. which was the whole marketing idea. but i gotta give the IS-F props...it hauled ass even with 4 people in the car....pushed to the limits and it could brake, accel, turn with the best of them. this event was much better than the audi events that they hold. audi needs to take notes and have them do the same thing. with the RS4 on a real road course and show people what it can do.

One of the best reasons to get an IS-F... Way cheaper parts. Thats probably why they beat the snot out of the cars, replacing an engine on an IS-F is probably the same price as replacing a broken valve spring on an RS4.