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    Here's the original thread where I got the idea: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93113

    It seems to fit the theme of my Avant very well: "non-flashy" or "stealth". I want my interior and exterior of the vehicle to look 'stock'. Albeit the exterior is Stock B6 S4 but its still stock.


    So, I decided back in May to give this a try. Why not? What is to lose? Oh yeah, destroying a $500 mirror (due to the auto-dimming and compass feature).

    With all the projects I've added to the Avant this little mod has sat on my kitchen table for the entire summer. It has sat staring me in the face and I've ignored it due to procrastination.. Procrastination because I'm worried I'd fcvk something up and be out a $500 mirror.

    Anyway. I had the mirror apart back in May when I figured out how it comes off the car (rotate entire mirror assembly 90deg and it comes off the tab that is glued to the windshield).





    I then managed to break just about every little clip that holds the trim ring on when I was separating the mirror halves. Those are difficult little buggers. There has got to be some special tool because a screwdriver doesn't work. Later found out you can't buy the trim ring by itself. Yummy




    Bottom left corner is the most amount of space for said boost gauge.



    One needs to cut out some plastic so I opted for my trusty dremel tool. Big mistake if your blood sugar is low and you have the 'shakes'. Little too much pressure with the cut-off wheel and next thing I know I've got a nice nick in the mirror itself. (very small, can only see it if you're within 4inches of the mirror). Immediately stopped using that tool.

    Figured out how to break the casing on the boost gauge because I need the breadboard and the amber acrylic surrounding it.

    Marked where its going and started scraping the coating off the back of the mirror. I started with a small wood chisel because it was the perfect width. That was getting no where so I opted for the dremel. Didn't I just learn my lesson? Nope. Next thing I know my dremel has gouged the glass itself. I'm fcvked. Mirror is toast now from an aesthetics standpoint.


    (see scratch in center from dremel and the small nick above from the dremel cut-off wheel)

    Why? I was told to use x-acto blades but that would take forever. I opted for quicker path and shot myself in the foot as a result of an attempt at speed. Some quick thinking and I realized that huge scratch is right where the decimel point will be. Not a big deal. You won't see it if you're driving or a passenger. You'll see it if the car is stationary and you're being the white-glove guy picking out every little detail wrong with the car.

    Let the effer sit for a few months because I'm pissed and am contemplating what to do. Found a Saturday evening where everyone was out of town and I didn't have any dates so I decided to sit down at the kitchen table with about 10 x-acto blades and start scraping. Outlined and then little by little I scrapped the auto-dimming and mirror coating off the glass.



    What do I glue it with? I opted for some plastic epoxy (stuff I used on my fog light). That turned out to be yet another mistake. The epoxy is strong stuff, stronger than required for this application. I used a conservative amount yet still had too much. It smeared all into the opening I made. I then realized that it was also eating away the amber acrylic the gage was within. Fcvk! Another set-back. I broke the acrylic apart and got the gauge out. Cleaned up the mirror and then went looking for a suitable amber acrylic. Found that and found this cool glue called "Weld Bond". This stuff is awesome and is the glue I'm using on this project (and it works!).

    The gauge itself has red LEDs but if the gauge is outside the acrylic box the LEDs are visible. I didn't want them visible if the car is turned off so I bought some acrylic and went to work cutting and shaping a new 'box' to put the gauge inside.


    (ignore the glue on the gage, you won't see that when finished. That was one of my trials that went south.)

    Took me two attempts at getting one that fits the gauge perfectly (cutting 5 pieces: 4 sides and 1 faceplate) as you can see in the image just above.

    Now on to gluing the gauge onto the mirror. Haha. Took me 6 tries to get it set so the glue wouldn't seep through. This is where I like the Weld Bond. It goes down like Elmer's (white) and dries clear. Gets tacky in a few minutes and bonds within an hour or two. Best to let it sit for 24hours for permanent bondage [beavis & butthead] huh, huh, huh. yeah. yeah! [/beavis and butthead]. If you don't like how the glue sat. Immediately pull it apart, wipe it down with a paper towel. Then wipe it down with a separate paper towel that has some Windex on it. Good as new again for the next attempt.




    Had to resolder the wires because they were getting flimsy from me man-handling this thing. Once again, the blood sugar was low last night and I grabbed the wrong end of the soldering iron. Went to bed with two fingers doused in Aloe and bandaged up as if I had them cut off on a lawn mower.


    (the amber acrylic makes this look nice when the car is turned off)

    9volt battery hooked up to give you an idea of what it looks like when turned on:



    Yes, it reads vacuum!


    As you can see, this is an 'extreme close-up' and you can barely make out the huge gouge I put in the glass. In the car you won't see it. You'll be distracted by the numbers instead. Mission accomplished!


    Next thing to do is to let this sit and dry for another day. Then reassemble (had to trim a little off the inside of the mirror casing back) and glue the trim ring in place with some Weld Bond. Then put back in the car, run the wire up along the headliner and down the a-piller to the wires I have in the dash coming in from the engine compartment.




    It looks good. Could it be better? I think so. I know the flaws in this mod and it irks me so I won't be happy unless its 100% clean.

    Would I do it again? Right now. NO. In a few months. Perhaps.
    Last edited by dougyfresh; 09-09-2008 at 08:32 PM.
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    NICE!!!! That looks sweet! Good work!
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    Good job, looks almost as good as mine (You have a better pic of your though)


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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    wow, thats a good idea and really good execution!
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    awesome!

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    nice write-up. great job guys.

    i prefer my awe vent boost gauge .
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    looks good, i like this over any pillar or vent mounted gauge, keeps the car looking real clean.

    BTW what brand gauge did you use?
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    Quote Originally Posted by RLB6 View Post
    Good job, looks almost as good as mine (You have a better pic of your though)
    Thanks. At least your glass isn't scratched. haha. I'm so happy that I've finally gotten over the hump of gluing it onto the mirror. Its been a big pain in my ass. That's why its September and I'm still finishing it. I've driven over 5,000miles with the new motor and no rear-view mirror (had the gauge tapped onto the dash for a while).
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    very nice, very clean. Would is work in a b5 mirror? lol

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    holy shit that's awesome!

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    looks good.
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    I still think this is the best boost gauge mod for the a4. Good work
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    Modded disposable digi-cam too?

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    I love it ..good job

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    Its operational!

    I pulled the sunroof controls out, driver sunvisor and the driver a-piller. Then ran the wire down the a-piller behind the drain for the sunroof (away from the airbag). Hooked everything up under the dash and reassembled the dash. Good as new again!

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    Amazing work. Good job!
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    I just might have to do this....too cool to pass up

    Are you using this in conjuction with an analog boost gauge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by absolutegtr View Post
    Are you using this in conjuction with an analog boost gauge?
    No. the whole point of this was to have a boost gauge that does not clutter up my interior and give notice that there is something under the hood when you stare at the parked car.
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    Very impressive install...and very courageous to tear apart such an expensive piece of the car. You should consider marketing your services...

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    I likkee this ALOT!! Too bad I have a 3.0l ! Just out of curiosity, if I were drunk one night, and got the insane idea into doing this mod to my mirror, what "gauges" could I run?? Since I dont have boost, I cant do a boost gauge... what all is there? lol
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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    Douglas, you are the master of gauge relocation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frey7190 View Post
    I likkee this ALOT!! Too bad I have a 3.0l ! Just out of curiosity, if I were drunk one night, and got the insane idea into doing this mod to my mirror, what "gauges" could I run?? Since I dont have boost, I cant do a boost gauge... what all is there? lol
    You can be creative as you want.

    This is the gauge: http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store...?idproduct=131

    They also make (in this size)
    - Innovative Wide-Band A/F gauge
    - Fuel Pressure
    - Nitrous Pressure
    - Battery Voltage
    - EGT

    Oh, and here are a couple other thoughts:
    - Valentine one display
    - shift light
    etc...

    I am actually entertaining the thought of making a digital strip out of a few gauges. This will reside either right at the windshield and dashboard intersection or fill in the region where your cup holder and change drawer resides.



    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    Very impressive install...and very courageous to tear apart such an expensive piece of the car. You should consider marketing your services...
    I had a good friend interested in me doing this for them but I turned 'em down. I am too meticulous and, as a result, see all the flaws with my mirror. I don't want to have to re-do things many times over again (like I did here) and be responsible for someone else's vehicle. Not at this point in time. I've got too much on my plate right now.





    Quote Originally Posted by deb38 View Post
    Douglas, you are the master of gauge relocation.
    Thanks, Rookie Biatch.
    Last edited by dougyfresh; 09-12-2008 at 04:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    Thanks. At least your glass isn't scratched. haha. I'm so happy that I've finally gotten over the hump of gluing it onto the mirror. Its been a big pain in my ass. That's why its September and I'm still finishing it. I've driven over 5,000miles with the new motor and no rear-view mirror (had the gauge tapped onto the dash for a while).
    You have put 5,000 miles on your car in nine weeks!!! jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by lookaught View Post
    You have put 5,000 miles on your car in nine weeks!!! jesus
    Yup. I built the car to drive it
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    Now thats f-ing kool Good job
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    hey doug hows that trans? I wanna get a ride in the car when its tuned so bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam 1.8 View Post
    holy shit that's awesome!
    times a 1000x

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_20T View Post
    hey doug hows that trans?
    Trans is holding up perfectly fine. Once I clean up my basement, this winter, I want to take apart my 1.8 trans and find out why 3rd gear was grinding. I think its the syncros. Then probably find myself a 5th gear out of a TDI and rebuild the 1.8 trans and put it back in my car. I kind of miss the shorter gears in 1-4 but at the same time kind of like cruising around town in just 2nd gear .


    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_20T View Post
    I wanna get a ride in the car when its tuned so bad
    So do I. So do I.

    One doesn't realize how much more the car drives/feels/behaves with a solid tune. I've been looking forward to tomorrow for three months. I might not be able to get to sleep tonight I'm so excited. I'll call you later tonight. I might just need a ride from Somerville up to B-water. Looking at train or bus schedules from Cherry Hill up to Somerville.
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    Nothing like the dremel jitters to make things more difficult! That tool can definately be nerve racking. Gj on the install. +1
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    i love this project! i'm going to undertake the task once i have money for that gauge. do you have any pics or advice on how to remove the headliner and a-pillar? that's the part i don't understand yet....

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    nice and clean

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    How does the gauge get the reading/signal for boost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LampyB View Post
    i love this project! i'm going to undertake the task once i have money for that gauge. do you have any pics or advice on how to remove the headliner and a-pillar? that's the part i don't understand yet....
    Pop open the cover that houses the sunroof controls. Two philips screws up front hold the controls in place. Take them out and disconnect the wires.

    Pop off the cover (carefully with a flat screwdriver) for the stationary clip that holds the sunviser forward. It pulls straight down and out. Then pull the rest of it off.

    Pop off the tiny circular cover on the sunviser pivot point to reveal a philips screw (or is it torx? i can not remember). Unscrew that. Rotate the sunvisor horizontal across the car (normal position). Gently pull down and rotate towards the rear of the car. The sunvisor will then pull out of a hole in the chassis. Disconnect wires.

    Pop off the 'airbag' label near the b-pillar above the driver headrest. Unscrew the torx screw behind it that connects the a-pillar to the b-pillar.

    Pop off the two covers for the 'o-shit' handle. Unscrew the two torx screws.

    Gently pull the a-pillar towards the inside of the car. There are three to four clips that hold it into the a-pillar. They will come out and the a-pillar cover will come off.

    The headliner is loose now so you can sneak your fingers under it from the windshield to run the wire. Run the wire down the a-piller behind the sunroof drain. Make sure not to put it infront of the air-bag otherwise the air-bag will not deploy correctly.

    Unbolt the lower half of the dash to run the rest of the wires (see a4mods.com for directions).

    I connected the power to the switchable power on the steering column as noted in the a4mods.com turbotimer write-up. I found ground at the fuse box also like a4mods.com. I ran the wires through the ECU box from the sending unit.


    Quote Originally Posted by absolutegtr View Post
    How does the gauge get the reading/signal for boost?
    Like any other gage:

    I mounted the sending unit on the frame rail under the radiator coolant reservoir (out of sight). I then put a 't' fitting in the front vacuum port of the intake manifold and ran a line to the sending unit on the frame rail. Just like the a4mods.com boost gauge write-up.


    Pretty simple.

    I'll get some photos tomorrow of the sending unit and its location/connections.
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    Thanks Doug. What I was concerned about was the sending unit, so that sounds great....how big is it?

    Now, i am just debating if I want to go with the coventional gauge or this mirror one....maybe both?
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    The sending unit is slightly larger in diameter than a fine point Sharpie pen. Say, 3/8" in diameter? Again, I'll post up a picture tomorrow. Its wet and dark out and I gotta shower and get on the road so I can get my car down to ASP tomorrow morning.
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    yup, dougs the man...

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    so I can get my car down to ASP tomorrow morning.
    I bet your excited
    -Sami-

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    I have gotten quite a by of interest in this mod. This has driven me to think critically on how to improve the process of adding a boost gage (or any gage you desire) to the rear view mirror.

    I am willing to do this mod for people. Please PM me if interested.

    Thanks
    Doug
    -Doug
    2002 A4 Avant EPL tuned 2.7T K04 6spd

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    is that LCD bright enough to shine through some of that "mirror" tint? maybe put a small piece of mirror tint on b4 u install the display to sorta hide the black cutout
    -06 A4 2.0T
    -97 A4 1.8T

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    Re: some more fabrication (boost gauge in rear-view mirror)

    all i gots to say is wow that is way cool, been looking for a boost gauge solution for a bit and i just found it :)

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